We panic at the first snowflake. There is a state of emergency in NJ, banning commercial trucks from the interstates because of the snow storm. Problem is, there is no snow. The dire predictions have gone away and we are left with....rain. If the governor is doing as well responding to everything else as he does with snow storms, we"re all doomed.
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showcrop
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Well, rain on frozen ground can be worse than snow. The problem is that they can salt the road, and after an hour the rain washes the salt brine away and ice will form again. I was on the interstate here in NH one time when they shut it down. When I went to get out of the car after awhile I couldn't because I was on ice with water on it. On snow you can get a little traction.
Traditional Farmer
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You are right about ice,I've seen the roads go from dry to virtually impassable in 10-15 minutes when rain fell on frozen ground.
larry@stinescorner
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hey,,you calling me a wimp? (lol)
Mutt and Jeff
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I might think that the state you mention in their best interest have suggested people just park it and wait it out.
Perhaps unprepared, un funded, without resource, staff, equipment, salt, sand, dumptrucks, plowtrucks, and all that goes with they have only to suggest you park it.
Perhaps they actually have purchased and in effect own everything to handle it but just can't find it as the criminal corruption either took the checks without supplying, or somehow the local officials deemed it all useless surplus and lined their own pockets with it's salvage value.
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Perhaps unprepared, un funded, without resource, staff, equipment, salt, sand, dumptrucks, plowtrucks, and all that goes with they have only to suggest you park it.
Perhaps they actually have purchased and in effect own everything to handle it but just can't find it as the criminal corruption either took the checks without supplying, or somehow the local officials deemed it all useless surplus and lined their own pockets with it's salvage value.
2 feet and rising
rustyfarmall
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"Banning commercial vehicles from the interstates"?
I'm not sure they can legally do that. If you are a truck driver, and are hauling a load of perishable fresh fruit or vegetables, bound for New York city, now what are you going to do? How about the distributor who is expecting that load of fruit so he can fill the orders from several grocery stores? How about the customers who go to the grocery store only to find the shelves empty?
Common sense is not very common anymore.
steve_in_mo
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Janicholson
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YTDOT would have waved them on through. They probably don't even have gates on the roads like where it snows. Jim
I know a guy who drives semi from just south of PA to the New England states delivering food to a grocery store chain. I was on another forum chatting with him yesterday when he was supposed to be working. He was home. Reason? NJ had shut down the interstate to commercial truck traffic until the "snow emergency" was declared over by the national weather service. SO yea, apparently they can do that.
Most of your fresh fruits and veggies coming off the west coast to the upper east coast goes by train. Train goes so far and they swap out engines full of fuel with a fresh crew. A semi would have to leave a warehouse in CA and would have to travel a constant 70 MPH for without any stops or delays to make NYC in 41 hours. Even a train can't do that in 41 hours. But the truck is going to experience traffic delays and fuel stops.
Rick
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Good or bad idea the state can ban any vehicle they want from a road,drivers manual says driving on roads is a privilege not a right.
in-too-deep
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Why in the world would they ban trucks instead of personal vehicles? The trucks actually have to be somewhere and they stick to the road better! Not to mention most truck drivers know how to handle their vehicle in slippery conditions. Silly, useless government.
M-MAN
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Then again you have to remember just last week Missury(bad spelling) had thousands stranded on the highway's when it hit.
Crazy Horse
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Rusty, don't forget that a lot of important stuff moves by air as well as truck. One extreme example that happens most days believe it or
not is organ transplants. Hopefully they wouldn't allow those flights if it was a safety concern on any way.
not is organ transplants. Hopefully they wouldn't allow those flights if it was a safety concern on any way.
The Famous Grouse
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Nothing is ever news until it happens to the back east softies. Then it's a major disaster.
6 inches of snow here in MN and the national news doesn't even mention it. Even 3 inches in the forecast for New Yack and it's a national disaster in the making. People wailing into the camera that it took them 3 hours to get to Starbucks for a skinny latte. One guy told the TV news they almost starved to death because they hadn't been able to get to the Chinese takeaway for 8 hours.
If the Revolutionary War had to be fought today, New York, NJ, and Mass would surrender 6 months in advance just to get it over with.
Grouse
6 inches of snow here in MN and the national news doesn't even mention it. Even 3 inches in the forecast for New Yack and it's a national disaster in the making. People wailing into the camera that it took them 3 hours to get to Starbucks for a skinny latte. One guy told the TV news they almost starved to death because they hadn't been able to get to the Chinese takeaway for 8 hours.
If the Revolutionary War had to be fought today, New York, NJ, and Mass would surrender 6 months in advance just to get it over with.
Grouse
dr sportster
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They love to say NOR-EASTER . NOREASTER ! Whatever that is has been distorted.
showcrop
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Rusty Farmall, I suppose you don't have TV. I do, although I watch pretty much only the news. What I see on the news is whenever there is a storm, many trucks are just stuck or waiting, but many are off the road and wrecked to some degree. A driver with any smarts is going to pay attention to the forecast and get off the road in order to be able to go again once the roads have cleared. Saving himself a lot of aggravation, his employer a lot of money, and able to get to his delivery point sooner.
Commercial Farmer
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We measure snow by the foot in NY son.
Do not make the mistake of confusing NYC with NY STATE. I'm an hour or so from the Capital of Canada and 9 hours from NYC. You really thing we identify with NYC? We had no power fro 3 weeks in sub zero January weather, 9 million people without power for days in 2 nations, didn't make the US national news. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger...
wrenchere85
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Years ago (1980's) the wife,I, and another 2 couples went skiing at Collingwood Ont. Canada for the weekend. On Sunday it started to get windy and blowing snow, so we decided to leave early. We got down the mountain road into town just as they closed the road. We stopped to fill up the motor home with gas and the attendant asked where we headed? We said Michigan he said "Not tonight your not the OPP's have all the roads out of town blocked.) And they did, they would not let us leave town and if we were caught trying to it would be a $500 fine. We ended up going back to the gas station and he let us plug into his electric. There we stayed for two more days. Untill they announced on the radio that one road out of town was open, oneway only. And they did not know how long they could keep it open. So we made a run for it and made it thru. That was the first and only time I have seen any place really close the roads.
jimg.allentown
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I can tell you why:
J.B. Hunt
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Schneider.
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Swift
Schneider.
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in-too-deep
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That's why I said "most".
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