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john in la

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President was in town today talking at the farm bureau convention.
I was listening to a talk radio station and all they were talking about was football.

So I text the radio program with.....
President is coming to town to talk about things that really matter and all you guys can talk about for 4 hours is football that at the end of the day means nothing. And you wonder why our country is in the mess it is.

He responded with....
Do you have a dog in the hunt. Are you a farmer? Because 99% of our listeners are not farmers and have no interest in the subject.

I responded with....
But I bet 99% of your listeners eat food grown by a farmers so they should be interested in the subject.

He did not respond.

But it just goes to show what the average city person thinks of farmers.
They grow our food end of story.
How they are treated and the troubles they may have mean nothing to us as long as the store shelf is full of food.

Kinda sad.
 
Probably the same goes for every other occupation too,getting paid is a lot better than some stupid pat on the back anyway.Never been able to buy much with a pat on the back.
 
Most people think of farmers as about 3 levels below the anti Christ . Course nobody believes in him either by the time the left wing and the anti farming goons get done maybe we can buy all our food at Walmart I guess
 
You have a good point.

Maybe life is too easy in USA any more. Because no one really cares about important stuff any more.

Not just ag.

Paul
 
I don?t know if most people view us like that but a large percentage that go yapping on social media do but I don?t think they even like themselves lol
 
(quoted from post at 19:05:58 01/14/19) Probably the same goes for every other occupation too,getting paid is a lot better than some stupid pat on the back anyway.Never been able to buy much with a pat on the back.
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Yep, no one appreciates anyone else. Truth be told the one person we can't do without? The truck driver/train crews. Without the truck driver and trains nothing the farmer produces goes to market. Without that infrastructure no fuel gets delivered, no coal to make electricity, no parts for equipment, nothing, nada, zip! Farmers would still be looking at the south end of a north bound mule or horse. What little he did produce would be consumed in the local markets.

I know a kid who works for CaseIH in the Fargo plant. Without him and folks like him working there, JD and other places there would be no nice equipment to get the work done with.

And that's what I've been trying to tell you guys. What's getting to the average US citizen in video clips of very nice homes, 60-80 K pickups and 300-400 thousand dollar tractors and some farmer crying about being broke. That's what they see because that's what the main stream media wants them to see. They don't show the people the guy out there with a beat up 4020 or 1066, 190XT and well used equipment working a job in town to make ends meet. Kinda hard to work up sympathy for that BTO when his tractor is worth 2 median level homes.

Young people today don't watch any farm shows, have all of their music on a smart phone that links via bluetooth to the car radio. So they don't listen to ag talk either.

Local school superintendent says that on average in a rural area that a mere 7% of the students have parents who either farm or work in an AG related job. You are less than 1 percent of the population. Maybe another 10-15 % know and understand the problems associated with farming. The other 84/85% don't know and don't care as long as food is in the store when they go shopping.

What that 85% or so thinks matters to the politicians too. Right now, right or wrong many of em think yer trying to poison them and killing the environment because of the information that is getting to them.

Rick
 
I don't think that is really fair. Any of us take for granted the profession or service others provide. It's just human nature.
 
A few thoughts in our system we have, the the seller gets the customers money and the customer should get the Thank You for dealing with the seller in other words the farmers should be thanking the consumers of their products not the other way around.The customer dictates with their money and buying power what products are acceptable to them in the marketplace and what they will spend their money on but somehow farmers have gotten in their heads that they should be able to dictate to the consumers of food what food the consumers should be buying.That will never work out well the people with the money to spend always end up deciding what they will buy.And farmers calling their consumer customers stupid,citidots etc is not going to make consumers
think differently.Buyers do NOT have to justify what they want to buy or why.The seller has to change what they have to sell to keep up with consumers changing tastes if they want to stay
in business.And I'd say for every farmer in the USA there is probably a half a dozen guys that would love to move onto their farm and rented land to try their hand at farming so there will never be a shortage of farmers especially with large ag outfits taking over much of agriculture now anyway.
 
Looks like farmers are gonna have to have a get together. Form a circle and pat each other on the back. Neighbor that has inherited everything he has was showing off his $16 grand govt. check on beans a couple weeks ago. Land been in crep 15 years, comes out and he gets another check. Not many working folks feel like patting his back around here.
 
At first thought seems, odd that a New York city wheeler dealer, real estate magnate, book author, golf course developer, big city guy, skyscraper builder,world traveler, then Pres would want to take valuable time to talk to a group representing 1% of the country's population. And some say a not highly thought of segment of the general population. Maybe he wanted to reassure farmers that some better economic times are ahead and acknowledge some tough economic sailing in past markets.
 
15 yrs ago I was playing chess online & my opponent was a big city kid. He ask me what I did & told'm farmer. He said "Wow, I am going to beat you so bad!". I crushed him easily. That's just the opinion they have of us. Where they got it I don't know. Born out of ignorance & pride I suppose.
 
The guy who writes The conservative tree house took note, as did a number of other conservative news sources. China may not buy our beans, but we are now selling them rice.
 
Were I come from there is alot of marijuana grown frankly those farmers have been the downfall of a good honest hardworking people. They brought a whole wave of crime drugs and corruption. I cannot even express with words how badly I despise they derelicts and culls. Also there are many small farms around me. We call them truck farms. They typically are great people hard working and provide a wonderful variety of produce. Most have there moral compass on the right heading . They have opted for the high road. I am not sure on all the logistics of government subsidies. But I always remember that any government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it away just ask BLM. I have the greatest respect for the farming community we?re I live. I raise my own hay for my cattle and get great satisfaction out of ever bail I feed. So to the farmers out there horay. Don?t let the naysayers were you down. And if you feel so led to grow pot hope you make peace with your maker.
 
Because my wife and I both have degrees, I was told by a city slicker that we were the smartest bunch of farmers he had every met. Kind of took me back. Guess they think we are just hicks out here.
 
An example of my own appreciation. In the middle of winter, I can go to the grocery store and get fresh strawberries, the kind alleged to not have chemicals applied,(different discussion). How could someone not appreciate the people involved producing these and bringing them to market. Same store, I can get gulf of Maine salmon, farm raised but seemingly done with a pretty good practice, so we are led to believe.
I am skeptical of the chemical free label on things because how do you really know what it what and there would be a lack of appreciation for those producers who mislead people. Of course, there are those types in all walks of life just the same.

How could you not appreciate a farmer that produces and provides a respectable product that you can easily afford, products that feed your family and keep you healthy by providing good nutrition. The disconnect here is hard to understand, has society become that ignorant to the basics of life ? There certainly seems to be a large element that has.
 
My folks' government check for the corn amounted to $50. The only reason that one guy's check is $16,000 is because he has thousands of acres of land. It may look like a lot of money on the surface but it is a drop in the bucket compared to how much it cost to put the beans in the ground, even just fuel, seed and fertilizer!

...and "appreciation." Just another sad statement on how screwed up priorities are.
 
Why does anyone working in any occupation or job need/deserve sympathy? Its a free country if a person thinks they are getting a raw deal and something else is better then they need to quit and do the better thing.Some people just have a 'Poor pitiful me' complex no matter what they do to make a living,every job I've ever been on there were some whiners and criers the World was against them,life wasn't fair yada,yada,yada.I farm I don't want or need anyone's sympathy,I fully understand the
good and bad about it,hot and dusty in the Summer making hay,cold and sometimes wet in the Winter,some years I make more money than others,very few people have a job or occupation where
everything is great all the time.Just the way life works.BTW do you know where you find sympathy in the dictionary?
 
"I responded with....'But I bet 99% of your listeners eat food grown by a farmer so they should be interested in the subject.'

Well played, sir. My hat is off to you :) :)
 
My daddy owned a restaurant when I was growing up. I worked there from 12 on, off and on from sweeping floors, bussing tables, washing dishes on up the chain. One of the things he told me, that I will never forget: The customer is "always" right. Without the customer we have no business. The customer calls the shots. If you want to have customers, supply a quality product, something in demand, and at an affordable price!!!!!!!
 
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How could you not appreciate a farmer that produces and provides a respectable product that you can easily afford, products that feed your family and keep you healthy by providing good nutrition. The disconnect here is hard to understand, has society become that ignorant to the basics of life ? There certainly seems to be a large element that has.
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Billy, you do understand that a heck of a lot of people really think food comes from the store and they have no idea what a farm is or does? And on top of that food is something someone is "entitled" to. Don't believe that comment? Look at the number of people on the SNAP (food stamp) program that they are absolutely convinced the government owes them that.

Rick
 
I'm not a sports fan, but on the day after your local pro football team, N.O. Saints, advances to the conference playoffs for the first time in nine years, it does sound self-centered expect a Saints sports station to drop that story to talk about farming. Things like that are what gives farmers a bad reputation.
 

There's a lady a couple miles from me that hails from England. She married a "Yank" and they have a small herd of Guernseys. She says in England being a farmer is right up there with brain surgeons and football stars. She notes that around here being a farmer puts you lower on the social scale than used car salesmen and McDonalds workers. Maybe because Great Britain was on food rationing into the mid 1950's after WW2? They spent most of 15 years not being able to get enough to eat, maybe they appreciate it more.
 
Farmers just track smelly dirt and mud onto the roads, and drive those big Green or Red thingies down the middle of the road that you can't pass, and you are late getting your pet to the groomer.
Loren
 
The first time I listened to Limbaugh in April of 1993 he was talking about MrsC's healthcare program. He was breaking it down by illustrating all the things that go in to the making of a pizza and how it all fits in to the economy. I knew that day that he didn't have the first clue how agriculture worked and in the following 15 years that I listened to him faithfully,it became more evident all the time.

When he made those commercials for a left wing special interest group who's stated goal is an end to animal agriculture,that was absolutely the last straw for me. He's dead to me.

Another example would be the station that I listened to him on out of Grand Rapids Michigan. The had their own local talk show for a lot of years. One morning somebody called and wanted to know why they were advertising seed corn? The caller said no farmers were listening,we were all listening to country music. It was as if he thought too,that the broadcast signal stopped at the city limits.
 
You're right and along that line when I first started dispatching concrete the first thing my boss told was that I could never win an argument with a customer no matter who was right
or who was wrong the customer would always end up winning and he was exactly right.
 
No we're not. They said they'd buy rice,but no mills are approved by APHIS to ship to them and can't get approval with the shut down.
 
I live in a suburb. City on one side, farm country on the other. I know my limitations. I've said here, and will say again - I could not be a farmer. Y'all have my utmost respect and admiration, because I know what it takes to put food on my table. Long hours, sun beating down, heavy rain, wind, hail - farmer doesn't get a break, ya have to do what needs doing. It's a hard life, and I thank all the farmers/ranchers who stick with it.

Having said that, I used to be a recording engineer a long time ago for A&M records, and worked with several radio stations on production. They have a job too, and that is to sell Chevys, and malt liquor, hardware, travel trips, Hondas, furniture, and anything else an advertiser wants to offer. That means they need to program what people want to listen to, so that the audience will buy the advertised product. I gotta say, a program about growing corn or beans, or soy will likely not garner the same audience as a show about college football(and not just in TX either).

So, radio is radio, and farming is farming. Having worked in radio, they have none of my respect, but at least I understand what they are doing. Having never worked in farming, I don't understand it, but I do respect it. Thank you for feeding me and my family. When it comes to entertainment in my car - no offense, but I'd rather hear about college ball than growing corn/wheat/beans/soy.
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(quoted from post at 22:03:42 01/14/19) I don't think that is really fair. Any of us take for granted the profession or service others provide. It's just human nature.
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Totally agree.

Most people think they are the only important link in the chain. Our current brainless leader has only encouraged this me-me-me attitude by encouraging Americans to turn against each other.

Farmers are no more or no less important than any other American. Where would the farmer be without the hundreds of professionals that make it possible for him to have 200 BPA corn and tractors, combines, and equipment that can do more in a day than our grandfathers could do in a week?

I appreciate farmers. And accountants. And assembly line workers that build my trucks. And the lady who cleans my hotel room when I'm on the road. Everybody else is included, if you do a job, we should all be grateful to each other.

Grouse
 
Rick, fully understand that. We had a brief
discussion in the shop this morning on the
disposition of people in general. Many seem
to think in terms of entitlement. Much of
older generations had to go to work, some
at a very young age and most probably did
not like the kind of work, but knew that
you have to earn your way to survive. In
hard times in my life, I looked for a job,
not a hand out. I as also did the best I
could on my skills, drove a truck, was a
heavy equipment operator, knowing that
these professions pay enough to survive,
and many provided more than that. Bottom
rung or not, better than no rung and it's
up to you how you climb the ladder.
 
Outside of some vegetables at local farmers markets, very little food is sold directly from farmers to consumers. Farmers sell semi truck loads of their commodities to their local meat packers buying station, or grain elevator while consumers buy a pound of this food and some ounces of that food at their local super market. While many of today's consumers are uninformed about farmers, it seems that farmers have become just as uninformed about today's consumers.
 
I'm a nuclear engineer by training, and a network engineer by trade. Without me, none of you would be watching, posting, or FaceBooking. I think all lesser folk should bow down to my mad network skillz keeping the internet working, despite some goobers best effort to bring it all crashing down. (haha, sarcasm of course).

Seriously, I have my fingers in the network pie 24/7. There's a lot of work to keep the electrons flowing, and some of it is rather esoteric. But - I know I'm just a cog in a much larger system of sys-admins, and network analysts that provide access to the WWW and beyond. Hey - it's not farming, but I'm happy with my contribution. No need for a radio program about how various protocols get tossed around the world.
 
In the 1970's I managed a CardioVascular Lab in a major city hospital. On of the RNs thought it necessary to comment aloud about the physical features of the patient who was a Farmer. In a derogatory tone she reference his facial, arm and finger appearances and yes the patience was not sedated and alert.
Knowing I would have to discipline this behavior, I begin planning a direct confrontation after the completion of the procedure. As this was our last heart cath before lunch, the cath team broke to the cafeteria. Finding myself sitting across from the offending employee, It didn't take long before this superior individule startred in with the negative farmer comments. I simply and firmly looked her in the eye and said, "Debbie, I wouldn't speak bad about the Farmers with a mouth full of Broccoli". Some people do not have a thought about what goes into their food and the people who spend a lifetime feeding the world.
 
(quoted from post at 14:14:06 01/15/19) I'm a nuclear engineer by training, and a network engineer by trade. Without me, none of you would be watching, posting, or FaceBooking. I think all lesser folk should bow down to my mad network skillz keeping the internet working, despite some goobers best effort to bring it all crashing down. (haha, sarcasm of course).

Seriously, I have my fingers in the network pie 24/7. There's a lot of work to keep the electrons flowing, and some of it is rather esoteric. But - I know I'm just a cog in a much larger system of sys-admins, and network analysts that provide access to the WWW and beyond. Hey - it's not farming, but I'm happy with my contribution. No need for a radio program about how various protocols get tossed around the world.
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You said it perfect...and without a government subsidy to help your income.
 
(quoted from post at 12:11:42 01/15/19) I'm guessing she hasn't been back to England since the 1950's.
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No, she came over 3-4 years ago and goes back several times a year. Just relaying what she says.
 
(quoted from post at 14:46:18 01/15/19)
(quoted from post at 22:03:42 01/14/19) I don't think that is really fair. Any of us take for granted the profession or service others provide. It's just human nature.
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Totally agree.

Most people think they are the only important link in the chain. Our current brainless leader has only encouraged this me-me-me attitude by encouraging Americans to turn against each other.


Grouse
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Seems to me we were all getting along pretty good until the brainless leader before the current one started driving wedges between us...
 
after church I was talking to another church member who her dad talked about eating lard sandwiches as they had nothing else. Talk about growing up tough.

I gained a new respect for him
 

My mom talked about some boys she went to school with that only had water biscuits for lunch.
Biscuit made with floor and water (no milk), cut open then salt and pepper sprinkled on the halves for flavor.

Times where tuff.
 
I was recently told a rather cynical joke: 90% of people don't want to hear about your problems and the other 10% are glad you have them. A bit of an exaggeration, but it might fit with the radio programer. I'd rather hear about farm stuff than football.
 
The same can be said for Hannity. I was listening a few years back when a farmer called in to the radio program. He told Hannity that the farming situation was very bad and nothing was being done about it. He said he and his son loved farming and it was all they had ever done but it looked as if they were going to lose the farm that had been in the family for generations. To which Hannity replied, Look, do you and your son use a computer to keep your farm records on? The guy answered yes. Hannity says, well there you have it. You and your son have the beginning skills necessary to start a computer business of your own. Ignorant and flippant. He had no clue nor interest in the problems this farmer faced.
 
I work for the government. I rank right up there with the farmers....or should I say, down there?
 
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