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grandpa Love
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I would have come home with a couple.....
Hmmmm?
Prices look pretty realistic to me.
As to a couple of 'em, sadly, outside of the "curiosity value", there's not much to desire about owning a tractor with a Cummins V-8.
(YES, I CAN say that, as the proud owner of an 'ol Versatile 145!)
The other two Steigers DO seem a bit cheap, but who knows what $$$ issues they may have, and, realistically to the farming world they are darned near as much of an antique" as the Ford "N", and the Binder "C".
Prices look pretty realistic to me.
As to a couple of 'em, sadly, outside of the "curiosity value", there's not much to desire about owning a tractor with a Cummins V-8.
(YES, I CAN say that, as the proud owner of an 'ol Versatile 145!)
The other two Steigers DO seem a bit cheap, but who knows what $$$ issues they may have, and, realistically to the farming world they are darned near as much of an antique" as the Ford "N", and the Binder "C".
Al Baker(pumpman)
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No problem, go buy any one of these tractors and go to raisin corn n beans. Maybe start a dairy farm. Where can you put a tractor to work right now and make it pay its own wage? Its the weekend worrier and hobby guys who can spend money on toys, I think most everyone else is in a survival mode. These prices look low, but look at what dairy animals are bringing. I am very grateful I am not in a position that I have to sell ANYTHING. Al
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big tee
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My oldest brother worked at the Deere research farm when they were developing the V-8 for the 8850 and he said they used Cummins 903 cranks in the first ones. I remember Deere got some kind of engineering award for the V-8. Deere-Cat-IH-Detroit-Ford-Chevy all tried making a GOOD V-8 diesel but most did not succeed.---Tee
That's about all those big old horses ever would have brought around here anyway. Remember when Cain used to have those consignment sales up by Amble? There was an Allis four wheel drive,I think it was a 440,kept getting recycled through. When he had his last sale where everything went,before he went away for tax evasion,that monstrosity sold for $4200. There was another four wheel drive on that sale too if memory serves me right and it didn't do any better.
I kinda like that bearcat. Way way more tractor than I would ever need or use though. 3306 cat engine was good. I have run a lot of construction equipment that use that engine and they seem pretty reliable and trouble free. Who knows about the rest of the tractor though !
Adirondack case guy
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Those prices just show the realities of the farm economy at present. Crops still in the field, Stored crops unsold, and banks unwilling to extend credit at this point in time.
Loren
Loren
Ultradog MN
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The cab is a Steelcraft and is pretty rare.
The running boards were also built by Steelcraft and only used for a couple of years.
The two items together are probably worth a big part of what the buyer paid fot the tractor.
Thanks to Ed Gooding for the scans.
The running boards were also built by Steelcraft and only used for a couple of years.
The two items together are probably worth a big part of what the buyer paid fot the tractor.
Thanks to Ed Gooding for the scans.
Ultradog MN
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Not arguing Loren but thinking different.
The big tractor prices may reflect the farm economy somewhat though they are pretty darned old to be trying to make a living with.
Values on the N and the C may have more to do with the passing of a generation that revered and collected them and artificially inflated their values for the last 25 years.
Mahindra, Kubota, NH, JD and other brands are selling a ton of CUTs and SCUTs to the hobbiests and those things cost 10, 20, 30 times what those two old cuties sold for.
I see their present values as more of a "market correction" than an indicator of the farm economy.
The big tractor prices may reflect the farm economy somewhat though they are pretty darned old to be trying to make a living with.
Values on the N and the C may have more to do with the passing of a generation that revered and collected them and artificially inflated their values for the last 25 years.
Mahindra, Kubota, NH, JD and other brands are selling a ton of CUTs and SCUTs to the hobbiests and those things cost 10, 20, 30 times what those two old cuties sold for.
I see their present values as more of a "market correction" than an indicator of the farm economy.
John in Mich
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I like the looks of the Steelcraft and boards. I have a set in the barn waiting to be mounted just have not decided which tractor to put them on. I see that 2N also has the Sherman Step-up. I may put my cab on either my '45 with cable shift Sherman or the 47 with side shift. Either way, the Steelcraft needs to be painted first. Presently a low priority. Currently working on a couple of my Jake built lawn tractors, a White and a Jake.
Adirondack case guy
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You made a good point as far as the mentality and technology of today's BTO farmers relating to those tractors, But the small family farms that would buy and put these tractors to good use are in a world of hurt, not necessarily because of their own mismanagement. BIG, Modern technology is today's answer to low prices, and those tractors do not fit the description of big today. They are mindless horses capable of pulling heavy loads, and that is it!!!
Loren
Loren
Not to dispute your brother, but Deere didn't develop their V8 for the 8850. It was used in construction equipment at least two years before the 8850 was introduced. I have a 1980 construction buyers guide that shows it in the 844 loader. They tried to adapt it to a tractor, and it didn't work.
The Famous Grouse
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The problem with those 2 Steigers and the Versatile is that anyone who NEEDS a big machine like those can't afford the downtime when those old tanks break down. Also, the first time one of those machines needs tranny or engine work, the price will be 3-5X or more the "cost" of buying them.
My last farming uncle retired a big Steiger about 15 years ago to change over to a Challenger and he could hardly give the Steiger away. Running tractor, rebuilt tranny 1k hours ago, several certified rebuilds on the motor, nobody wanted it. Nobody in farm country can afford the breakdown time when those old machines go down, and they will go down.
Grouse
My last farming uncle retired a big Steiger about 15 years ago to change over to a Challenger and he could hardly give the Steiger away. Running tractor, rebuilt tranny 1k hours ago, several certified rebuilds on the motor, nobody wanted it. Nobody in farm country can afford the breakdown time when those old machines go down, and they will go down.
Grouse
"The rest of the tractor is just scabbed together truck parts"
That's a STRANGE comment, SV, while they did use Roadrangers behind the engines for a while (and the tractor in question may be old enough to have one) but they moved on to more exotic transmissions including power shift units, and for sure your friend in the truck parts business won't be able to help with the drop box, the ("RABA") axles, including the planetary final drives at the wheels.
That leaves few "truck parts" to scab together, IMHO.
Oh, yeah, the SEAT!
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big tee
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I knew they put it construction machines but did not know the time frame-I am sure when they were developing the V-8 they had a farm tractor in the plan for it. Cavitation was one of the big problems with it. Kinze helped the 8850 quite a bit. I have heard it said that the 8850 would have broke a normal company.---Tee
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