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Graveyard1984

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Ive always been an allis Chalmers and
die hard international fan. But i am
considering buying a tractor of the
green and yellow. Does this make me a
bad person for changing brands and
considering a different color?
Does color make a difference as long
as it gets the job done?

Thanks for reading this
 
Actually, color aside, I think it makes you a strong/objective person to be able to re-evaluate as things and times change. Might also be called critical thinking.

Good Luck.

Paul
 
Why would it be a bad thing. When they are working right they are all good and when not they are all lousy. That being siad we have 4 colors with IHC,Cat,JD,Stieger. Have had the red and yellow the longest.
 

Grave, I like 'em ALL, (well ALMOST) and own or have owned a variety of colors.

The green and yellow ones seem to show up and never leave, though!
 
I have a JD 4010 and a JD 4020 and a IH 300U and a couple Fergusons. When I need to repair something on the IH, Compared to the others, I just scratch my head about how it is engineered, meaning everything is way over complicated and hard to get at. So, until you have several brands, comparing the various engineering configurations couldn?t happen. To me, the best tractors are the ones that are easiest to operate, maintain and repair. In my opinion the TO-20 fits these aspects perfectly and can work in very tight places. The 3pt hitch being revolutionary. To me, simple and effective engineering, hands down.
 
The colour of the paint doesn?t matter, every company has made good ones.and every company has made some not so good. So long as the tractor fits your needs and your budget, why not go for it. Most of the green tractors that I have wanted were either clapped out, or too expensive for my budget. I wanted a 4340 so bad I could taste it, but the only ones I could find that I could afford, had already been thoroughly enjoyed
 
Dad was predominantly red, as in IH red, but had a green with yellow wheels corn planter, pull type combine, and manure spreader. Bought a couple green and yellow tractors, first one was a total disappointment and disappeared 4-5 weeks after we started using it, second one should have been painted Ford Blue, for Fix Or Repair Daily. Total Money Pit. Probably the reason he quit farming after the 1972 crop season and retired comfortably from truck driving with a Teamster pension. Was a third green tractor, an antiquated monstrosity but it pulled the manure spreader 2-3 loads a year, and sat the other 364 days a year.

If Red or Orange paint have been working for you I wouldn't switch. Except to a newer Case-IH or Agco.
 
I?m not partial to any particular brand, I like most all of them! I?ve got several of each of the following brands: Massey Harris, Massey Ferguson, Case, Ford, Farmall/International, John Deere, and Allis Chalmers. Never heard them fighting in the shed yet, so they must get along together ok.
Go with whatever brand you?d like.
 
There isn't anything wrong with the paint, it's what is under the paint. I will never have another green tractor, new or used.
 
Nothing wrong with green and yellow. Even this Ford guy has one like that! Lol
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Good luck. Better walk up tp a parts counter and see how much attitude you get first. I went the other way. I was all green and yellow,right down to my wrist watch and the mud flaps on my truck. With what's happened at Deeremart,I have no plans to ever darken their doors again. Except for about half of my toy collection,everything green and yellow that I ever had is gone.
 
I'll play with any tractor make and model, they all have some features I like, and some I don't care for. My thinking is they are all man made, and man has not made anything perfect yet..
 
I am a mechanic not a farmer. Been asked to change the starter on several JD. The first one was easy. Older one from the sixties.Nice and easy to get to. The others were from 2000 and newer. Total nightmares to get to. You had to remove the whole side of the engine to get to the starter. I will never work on another one. Don't like hearing the owners complain about the time it took. Of course they were not there to see what I had to do.
 
Gotta hand it to them Deere does sell a good Corn Head grease.(LOL)Neighbors across the river have had another run at fixing their India built 5055,I'm on stand by to unload another load of hay for them. I'll put that model on the never own list.
 
My experience ended with the one I bought new in 1981. I never once had a problem with the products,they were as good as any,but the dealer situation has gone over a cliff. If they keep it up,YT will have to dissolve the Deere Forum and they'll just be an occasional mention on the Orphans Forum.
 
Billy, we never had a problem changing the starter on any of my uncles John Deeres. If the starter got weak, just step back and let someone else turn the flywheel. Just thought I'd throw in this little joke. He did have John Deere tractors, 2 As and a D. All 3 hand start. They started easy tho if tuned properly. Keith
 

Graveyard, go ahead and change. but be prepared to lose half of your friends, half of your income, your wife and even your dog if you do. When I read your OP I thought, "there will be no one who will answer that there is anything wrong with changing so why even ask the question?". Good on you Randy for being able to take the other side!!!
 
I have two A-Cs, three COOPS, two Deeres, a Ford and an Oliver. Likes and dislikes on all of them. Buy what you like, have fun with it and don't give a s**t what other think.
 
Again,I never had any problem with the products and if anybody can still get parts and service on them,I envy them so much that it's a sin,but I couldn't feed 200 head of cattle every day anymore with a brand that would be down two days minimum,more often than not,a week to ten days.
 
I started with Fords and have had all the brands and colors over the last 30 years. Now I'm back to Fords. Dependable, cheap HP.
 
You had to be strong enough to turn the flywheel tho. I wasen't. I was born in 43 and Dad bough a 38 A JD in 57 and I could not pull hard enough on the flywheel to crank it and petcocks were open. Traded in 60 on a 49 B JD and in 3 days I knew it was a misteak but before I could get to dealer they had already sold it. Second year we had it I switched from the Ford and cultivators to the A and hand lift cultivators. Later had a 46 B, 50 AR & a 51 A untill I was no longer activily farming.
 
The green guys are doing a good job of increasing their competetor's business.All three are with in a half mile of each other.
 
I'm looking forward to a post about what you're considering. That's when the sniping will start. :) Merry Christmas. Paul
 
(quoted from post at 07:57:04 12/20/18) If they keep it up,YT will have to dissolve the Deere Forum and they'll just be an occasional mention on the Orphans Forum.
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Randy
I'm not trying to imply I agree with the way JD company is headed but I think it will be a cold day in the ""hot place"" when no discussion forum is needed for JD tractors.
 
Ya,just a little tongue in cheek there,but if they don't do something to improve service,their customer base will keep dwindling until they're just a "thing of the past".
 
They are still ahead of the other brands for dealer service not like that?s saying much though . Cnh can?t get me a plow share in under 3 days with 20$ freight on a 50$ part Agco takes 3 days just to get the right part looked up and call you back and then it?s a week out . I don?t think service will get any better what choice do you have buy a few million dollars worth of machines and foundry tools and another few million worth of software programming tools and then hire someone to run it all and make your own parts . There is always catalog ordering for parts but by the time you pay freight it?s rarely cheaper than buying from the dealer and it?s not a fast process either
 
Only consideration for me was finding:

a. a decent, running loader tractor,
b. for a fair price,
c. within a reasonable hauling distance.

So many sellers around here have a VASTLY inflated idea of what tractors are actually worth as in real selling prices. They do a google search and then price their tractor the same as the highest priced one they found on the interweb.

Checkin those 3 boxes above isn't easy, and I couldn't really afford to care if it's green, red, orange, blue, or pink.

Parts used to be a big deal before the interweb, but nowadays most stuff can be gotten fairly easily and some stuff on every tractor that's more than 20 years old is going to be hard to find or expensive or both. Problem is you never know what all those parts are until you need them.

Grouse
 
Randy,

I will dispute that, the market is shifting to the BTO's and the dealers cater to them.

JD is focused on that.
 
It's a local thing,that's for sure. The NH dealer will send parts home to me with the salesman who lives out east of town. I needed a part for my Fiat built Oliver and only had a partial part number when I called the AGCO dealer. The parts guy told me he'd call tech support and call me right back. He did. They told him all we had to do was add a letter and that the part was on its way and I'd have it tomorrow. The CaseIH parts folks will go out back and rummage through boxes and bins to find "might fit" parts if something even looks a little familiar to them. The Deere dealer used to be like that,but those days are long gone. Even if they ever do get a handle on the situation and change their ways,I'll never know because I don't have any intention of ever going back. Sometimes you just get pushed too dam far.
 
I agree with you 100% with that. When they "Positioned themselves for the future" that's what it meant. They were going to focus on the lawn and garden and the guys who lease or "buy new every two". The guys like me who just run what they have to to make a living with what we have,were kicked to the curb. It's like I've said 100 times before,I felt like they were saying "step back,we've got our customers to wait on,we'll get to you when we can".


The other brands around here are fine with making a dollar serving anybody who walks in the door.
 
I am sure the Deere dealer doesn't miss you one bit. They probably tell stories about guys like you.
 
If you're looking for a John Deere 5055 the farm across the river from me is going to have one for sale.Bring your trailer with a winch,or I'll push it on for you while I'm over there
unloading their hay for them with my 1973 Oliver 1365 cause they can't seem to find anyone that can make their JD move..(LOL)
 
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