Some new information on robo and telemarketer calls

JOCCO · Dec 14, 2018

I MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE DETAILS CORRECT BUT: Saw the other day that the phone companies is changing to some new program that has one number digital encrypted. So these ding bats will find it much harder to spoof or fake a phone number. Guess the federal government was mixed up in it also to implement it STARTING IN THE SPRING!! Also the cell phone companies are coming up with new stuff (like an additional code) to enter to complete the call. The theory is robo calls cannot enter the code you choose. Something also like it verifies the number that's calling. If its a number not in service the call dies asap.

Billy Shafer · Dec 14, 2018

That may work for a time. But they will find away around it.

Steamboat · Dec 14, 2018

I often wonder how many robo calls are successful.

kcm.MN · Dec 14, 2018

Apparently far too many.

paul · Dec 14, 2018

Well they can?t make phoning someone more difficult. People would drop over dead if they couldn?t use their cell phone 22 hours a day. It has to be as simple as possible to use.

So, since whatever they implement will be automated, in a short time the spammers will automate a way around the new automations.

And we will be right back to where we are.

Only phone service will cost more, to put in the new automation.

Paul

Billy Shafer · Dec 14, 2018

I think I am the only one in this town. That doesn't have a cell phone. Well I know one dog that doesn't. You can't talk to anyone that doesn't make you wait while they talk on the phone. There are a couple of stores that I never go to because of the phone.

jimg.allentown · Dec 14, 2018

This is a good step in the right direction regardless of what the "nay Sayers" are complaining about.

The biggest part of stopping (or at least slowing down) the spammers, scammers, robocallers, and telemarketers is removing the tool that they use the most - spoofing. They hide behind blocked numbers, fake numbers, and even the victim's very own phone number. Then there is no way available to we victims to trace back to who called or from where. Eliminating spoofing would make it at least possible to know who is calling and from where.

Putting your number on the national "do not call" list only has limited effectiveness for a few reasons. First, the enforcing body (the FCC) chooses not to aggressively pursue violators. Telemarketers will hide behind a fake number that is usually not a working number. Trying to prosecute opens up a whole can of worms in determining who called and from where. Many (if not most) telemarketers and robocallers are calling from offshore locations that are generally out of the jurisdiction of the FCC. Anti-spoofing measures would definitely make it easier to identify and block the unwanted calls.

For the most part, I simply cannot understand why any of them want to call folks that are not going to buy their stuff and simply do not want to be bothered.

At the same time, I also do not understand why the FCC does not take a more active role in prosecuting "do not call" violators. The law does provide for some heavy fines for those violations.

Will the scammers find ways around new regulations? Probably, but it will take them time and money to do it. By that time, there may be even more countermeasures to use against them.

pinball · Dec 14, 2018

I think the government should go after the phone companies. these idiots telemarketers are now using the same area code where I live at so its hard to tell who is called. phone companies should be held responsible. they could stop all of it.

paul · Dec 14, 2018

I have been a computer nut since the late 1970s, love the geek of Star Trek, would suffer severe withdrawal if my tablet were taken from me. (My iPad died this early fall, it took 10 hours to replace it.....) my tablet has cell service, so I can computerize while traveling.

But I do not have a cell phone, and have no plans to get one. I dislike phones very much and just no reason for me to have one.

It is interesting how it is becoming assumed everyone has one. I hear many sports tickets are are issued on a phone only any more, and of course banking and such stuff, even getting access to yahoo email and some of the streaming video stuff it?s assumed everyone has a cell.

Several years ago I replied to a craigslist type of ad and traveled a few 100 miles to pick up a tire and rim. The fella wouldn?t give me directions to his house, just always ?call when you get close.? Even after 5times of, I don?t have a cell. I had to drive out to Mitchell sad and find a phone at a Cabelas store, call him, and even then he says drive 6 miles north and call when you get close.

I said, ok, I don?t have a phone I can?t call you. Period there is no way to do it. Either I get directions now, or I just have to drive home. Now.

He wasn?t being coy or security concerned, he just wasn?t understanding a person not having a phone, it was a given that everyone has a cell phone and can call every 5minutes.

It was kinda funny.

Paul

Geo-TH,In · Dec 14, 2018

I hope something is done. I'm betting you can't make anything idiot proof. A smarter idiot in a foreign country will prove we can't outsmart them.

Steve@Advance · Dec 14, 2018

I still like the idea someone on here came up with, simply limit the number of outgoing calls that can be made from any one account.

With some research a legitimate number could be determined for typical residential or commercial use. If a company were legitimate they can request a variance. Otherwise once the limit is reached, either the service would be blocked, or each call would cost more and more to make, making the calls unprofitable.

As for calls made from overseas, they could be easily blocked once a certain number from any one account were reached.

oldtanker · Dec 14, 2018

(quoted from post at 09:52:11 12/14/18) This is a good step in the right direction regardless of what the "nay Sayers" are complaining about.

The biggest part of stopping (or at least slowing down) the spammers, scammers, robocallers, and telemarketers is removing the tool that they use the most - spoofing. They hide behind blocked numbers, fake numbers, and even the victim's very own phone number. Then there is no way available to we victims to trace back to who called or from where. Eliminating spoofing would make it at least possible to know who is calling and from where.

Putting your number on the national "do not call" list only has limited effectiveness for a few reasons. First, the enforcing body (the FCC) chooses not to aggressively pursue violators. Telemarketers will hide behind a fake number that is usually not a working number. Trying to prosecute opens up a whole can of worms in determining who called and from where. Many (if not most) telemarketers and robocallers are calling from offshore locations that are generally out of the jurisdiction of the FCC. Anti-spoofing measures would definitely make it easier to identify and block the unwanted calls.

For the most part, I simply cannot understand why any of them want to call folks that are not going to buy their stuff and simply do not want to be bothered.

At the same time, I also do not understand why the FCC does not take a more active role in prosecuting "do not call" violators. The law does provide for some heavy fines for those violations.

Will the scammers find ways around new regulations? Probably, but it will take them time and money to do it. By that time, there may be even more countermeasures to use against them.

My son is a network engineer for a communications company. The spoofing stuff is on the callers equipment. Very difficult for the phone company to ID it. SO that ain't gonna work. He does say they are spending a lot of time and money trying to find a workable solution. The are working on the countermeasures but it's tuff and expensive.

The FCC doesn't take an active role because most of the calls are all but impossible to trace because of the spoofing and when they can trace it it's offshore. As someone else pointed out way outside the FCC's jurisdiction. Unless the host nation is willing to prosecute the FCC can't do anything. Most of the host nations don't care if rich Americans and Europeans are being scammed as it brings in much needed money into the host nations economy. It ain't worth starting a war over.

Rick

T in NE · Dec 15, 2018

A 12 year old bypassed Australia's internet filter within minutes of it being turned on.

sotxbill · Dec 15, 2018

(quoted from post at 12:36:10 12/14/18) I think the government should go after the phone companies. these idiots telemarketers are now using the same area code where I live at so its hard to tell who is called. phone companies should be held responsible. they could stop all of it.

THE GOVERNMENT... in its infinite wisdom... took the number control away from the phone companies and give the numbers to the customer.. Then they allowed them to move numbers to anywhere in the world. SO>>>>>>>

There is now... no current way to verify where calls are coming from, no way to verify if they are working numbers, and no way to control them.

Hold the FCC responsible would be more correct.....

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