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12/7/41 Some statistics

Ultradog MN

Ultradog MN

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This chart shows the warmaking potential of the major players in WWII.
Like nothing else could, it shows the folly of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.
Kinda mind blowing actually.
Some folks wonder that with all that US power why did the Pacific war last so long.
But another statistic tells us that untill late 1944 only about 11% of US rescources went to the Pacific. The rest went to the ETO.
This morning at about 8:00 AM Japan will truely awaken a sleeping giant.

Country
United States-----------41.7%

Germany -----------------14.4%

USSR --------------------14.0%

UK ------------------------10.2%

France ----------------------4.2%

Japan -----------------------3.5%

Italy -------------------------2.5%

Seven Powers (total)-----------(90.5%)
 
The war lasted so long because of the Japanese culture. They would have even fought many years longer down to the last man if it wasn't for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
ETO
European
Theater
Of
Operations

Mainly the fight against Germany and Hitler. Italy was a minor player. The French that were on the side of Germany didn't really fight. Most of them gave up when the German troops were gone.

The two people in charge at Pearl. Got shafted by some very stupid people in DC
 
(quoted from post at 04:30:15 12/07/18) The war lasted so long because of the Japanese culture. They would have even fought many years longer down to the last man if it wasn't for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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The japanese soldier were fanatics to the end...they often committed suicide rather than be taken as prisoner by American soldiers. it took, as was mentioned, the big stick to make them come to their senses.
 
(quoted from post at 08:39:29 12/07/18)

The two people in charge at Pearl. Got shafted by some very stupid people in DC
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Admiral Husband Kimmel and an Army Gen'l. They did exactly what they should have in a peace time situation. It wasn't really their fault, it was just not knowing what we didn't know. Someone had to get the axe and it sure wasn't going to be the Sec of Navy Knox or FDR!
 
What about the theory that FDR knew about the attack and allowed it to happen as a way to get the US involved in the PTO? Not sayin' either way, just a talking point.
 
I did some Googling on War-Making Potential (I never hear of that stat before) ...... here's a definition ...

"War making potential is defined as war industry (also the ability to convert peace time installations) + population ready for combat (younger labour force) + territory + resources + the ability to exploit these and also translate the overall potential."

Pretty complex stuff and a LOT of factors involved with whatever number comes out of the calculation. What I don't understand is the percentage part of Ultradog's statistics. Is it really a probability number, so Great Britain for example had about 10 out of 100 chances of being involved with and making war on someone while the USSR had 14 out of 100 chances of doing the same thing?
 
(quoted from post at 07:03:08 12/07/18) What about the theory that FDR knew about the attack and allowed it to happen as a way to get the US involved in the PTO? Not sayin' either way, just a talking point.
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As with almost all conspiracy theories, I think that particular conspiracy theory is overblown. The only way a pol would know about a foreign powers' movements is through the military, and I doubt the military knew about any particular attack and where or when it would happen. The only way they would have definite knowledge of where the fleet was would have been through spotting it by plane or ship. No satellites to track their movements.

There were some small rumblings about, but nothing alarming. Of course a lot of armchair admirals like to piece these various bits of info together after the fact and claim there was overwhelming evidence of an attack. It was genuinely a surprise attack, with no one knowing any definite details.
 
Actually, the Japanese were fairly proficient in industrial capability but they were way too limited in natural resources namely aluminum and oil but other materials as well. While the factory capacity did not rival the US had most materials been found on the Japanese homeland they might have kept the war further away home forcing a stalemate.
 
I'd say that's a pretty good definition of WMP.
I would also include the number of trained scientists, engineers, technitions of various sorts and the number of schools that could educate more of them.
Also, I would include the exposure/experience of the general population to mechanical things.
For example, the US had 80 times the automobile production of Japan on 12/7/41.
That's a Lot of home spun boys who knew how to change a set of points or re-ring an engine BEFORE they were drafted.
We also had nearly Twice the population, 5 times the steel production, 7 times the coal production and nearly 17 times Japan's national income. Those numbers make Japan's leadership look even more insane for taking us on.
As for the percentage part you ask about I would say it means if you took the aggregate world wide WMP, the US comprised 42% of that number.
Lastly, though not in 1941 but as the war progressed, the US had enough surplus minds, manpower and materials to spend a huge amount on the Manhattan project - a scheme that wasn't even guaranteed to work.
 
Why did the war last that long? It was simply time consumeing to methodically island hop the South Pacific.

On those lines, concerning the island of Tarawa, a Japanese Admiral said a million Marines couldn't take the island in 100 years. Shortly after his comment, 5600 Marines took the island in 3 days.
 
It's been rumored plenty that Ambassador to Japan Joseph Grew was keenly aware of the Japanese being incensed over the US moving the Pacific Fleet from San
Diego to Oahu and that no doubt crossed FDR's desk. If Grew had outlived the era of FDR worship following the war maybe he would offered up some insight on what
our government knew and when they knew it.
 
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