Record cold last night in upstate NY.

-1f at 4am. Broke the coldest temp in Nov. since records have been kept (1902) of +4.

-7 last night here 10 miles east of Lake Ontario.
Zach

We're pretty warm right now with temps hovering just below freezing. Wouldn't be so bad if not for all the wind that's been with it.

I did not do a round the clock observation but it was 6 degrees F around midnight last night here in the Finger Lakes Region. Lots of crops out yet.

minus 10
I got it started
everything screams
the steering pump the loudest
won't turn stop or go
drive anyway the ice on the inside builds just from breathing
about halfway to town an ice pebble dislodges and "ting"s the windshield
I look to see a distinct new fine line in the glass
thought of oh heck $300 at least
apparently it was just an ice line from leaving the wipers vertical last night to avoid them pocketing thawed snow as I parked and welding themselves to the windshield

really bad when you realize you turned on the wipers and they are frozen in place what do you do jump out in a panic and dislodge them? wait and watch to blow the fuse or destroy the mechanisms

why do people even live here?

wind chills at -14 does it matter

Coldest I saw here in NY was -3

So, when there is unusually cold temps, does the global warming talk just ignore the event. I know when it is usually hot , or dry, or wet, or stormy, or wild fires, it is non stop commentary on warming and climate change. And, the obvious thing about climate change discussion is everything associated with it has BAD consequences. Everything. No exceptions. So, when it gets really cold, we must be chock full of benefits, right? Must be so. So, are we going to hear about any?

-12 in my part of N.Y.

-21 C Here just west of Ottawa Ontario -24 with the wind chill

negative 4F here in NE corner of Otsego Co. NY. Trees sure were pretty with the fog frozen fast to them and bright sunshine this morning.

36 degrees down here in NE GA. Brrrrrrr I sure am glad Mom and Dad drug me kicking and screaming down here 55 years ago. I did miss growing up on the farm though. Dsmythe

Climate change, such as colder than normal temps because of abnormal weather patterns. Also hotter than normal temps because of abnormal weather patterns. Pretty easy to figure out, really.

(quoted from post at 16:27:53 11/23/18) Climate change, such as colder than normal temps because of abnormal weather patterns. Also hotter than normal temps because of abnormal weather patterns. Pretty easy to figure out, really.

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Yep. A lot of people would prefer to curse the darkness because lighting a candle would shed light on the fact that we haven't been very good stewards of our environment. It's easier to make jokes than to recognize that we have been going in the wrong direction for a long time because it's cheaper to take without putting back.

Nice and cozy snuggled up against the Lake Michigan shoreline- only got down to 29F overnight, over freezing already.

Yep couldn?t have said it better northvale pa

Either that or it's all a hoax to make
money and gain control.

-4 at bedtime last night. Think it bottomed out a -9, according to my little digital thermometer's memory. Tioga County.

Walmart is having a sale on aluminum foil.

Northvale ..... surely you are aware of the fact that by definition, "weather" (like a cold snap in your area) and "climate" are totally different things. I remember my teacher teaching that sixty years ago so I'm sure you heard the same thing.

50 here.

Always 'follow the money trail'

When I was a kid they were screaming about global cooling and the coming permanent winter caused by fossil fuel use. The people who cooked up that scam and this current one understand weather patterns. The climate change is cyclical. We have periods of colder weather and periods of warmer weather. The folks who created the Farmer's Almanac understood it, that is why it was so accurate year after year. Most folks notice the seven year cycle, it is short enough that memory serves us well. There are also other patterns. Don't remember the count, 49 year and 343 year iirc, seven compounded. The problem is that weather monitoring has changed significantly since we began keeping records. 150 years ago we didn't measure to the 1/10th degree with the same accuracy.
The other problem is that many of the original records have been lost. Intentionally I might add, or so it appears to me. In their place we have "weighted" measurements. Given that slight of hand, while last night was certainly cold in New York, was it really a record?

I agree with Kansas. Maybe it was a real record breaking temp, maybe it wasn't. The figures have been so massaged and distorted and screwed with that you can't tell anymore. Way too much money and power in play to trust the people selling the ideas on either side. And as far as the poor job we are doing as stewards of the earth, we're doing a lot better now than we were 50 years ago. But no matter how good we are, there is absolutely nothing we can do to change what is happening now or for the next 50-100 years. I'm all for being god stewards and leaving the world a better place than when I got here, but punishing developed nations by bankrupting them and pulling them down into 3rd world levels isn't a viable answer to the problem. The sun is still the biggest factor in allt his and last I knew we could do an awful lot about what the sun decides to do.

Above freezing all day here, now it's raining again. Going to be cold next week tho

. Global Warming

Well; Redneck-- I guess there are a LOT of weather forecasters and weather historians here in eastern NY and New England that would disagree with your personal assumption!!!
Loren

And tomorrow it's forecast to be 41. If it had stayed in the teens or single digits, then I'd be worried. This? Not so much. I remember going trick or treating with my snowsuit under my costume and having to climb over plow banks in the 60's. We might have broken a single days record, but it's not like we have 2 feet of snow ont he ground either!

(quoted from post at 12:24:05 11/23/18) Northvale ..... surely you are aware of the fact that by definition, "weather" (like a cold snap in your area) and "climate" are totally different things. I remember my teacher teaching that sixty years ago so I'm sure you heard the same thing.

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+1. I thought that was common knowledge, but maybe not. El Presidente doesn't know it either, apparently, but then there's a lot of stuff he doesn't know.

Here in Minnesota you'd have to be either under 25 or deaf, dumb, and blind not to see that almost without exception, the winters here are clearly and obviously dramatically warmer than they used to be going back 25 to 30 years and back to the begining of records. Here in the Midwest, this has happened each and every year.

Also, it is clear and obvious that the current summer rainfall patterns are completely different again than they were 25 years ago and going back to the beginning of recorded history here.

You might as well deny that oil and water don't mix.

Grouse

The only personal assumption I made was as to whether or not the records were intentionally destroyed. Since copies at one time existed with NOAA, NASA, and at State Penn University in the care of Michael Mann, it would be remarkable indeed that they all were lost at about the same time. Coincidences happen though.

-2 about 4 am southern Chemung county.

(quoted from post at 08:27:53 11/23/18) Climate change, such as colder than normal temps because of abnormal weather patterns. Also hotter than normal temps because of abnormal weather patterns. Pretty easy to figure out, really.

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Al Gore got ye hook line and sinker eh :roll:

Climate change is normal,..bin changing since the dawn of time.

The latest report on climate change.
Climate change

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(quoted from post at 12:24:05 11/23/18) Northvale ..... surely you are aware of the fact that by definition, "weather" (like a cold snap in your area) and "climate" are totally different things. I remember my teacher teaching that sixty years ago so I'm sure you heard the same thing.

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+1. I thought that was common knowledge, but maybe not. El Presidente doesn't know it either, apparently, but then there's a lot of stuff he doesn't know.

Here in Minnesota you'd have to be either under 25 or deaf, dumb, and blind not to see that almost without exception, the winters here are clearly and obviously dramatically warmer than they used to be going back 25 to 30 years and back to the begining of records. Here in the Midwest, this has happened each and every year.

Also, it is clear and obvious that the current summer rainfall patterns are completely different again than they were 25 years ago and going back to the beginning of recorded history here.

You might as well deny that oil and water don't mix.

Grouse

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Climate changes happen over many decades, not 10 or 25 years. 10 or 25 years is weather, not climate. Yes, we had more snow and colder winters when I was growing up in the 60's. There was even more snow and colder temps in the 40's and 50's than in the 60's. Weather patterns change, the suns output changes, volcanoes explode and cool things, deserts expand and contract, the earths orbit changes slightly....there are a millions tiny parts to climate change. Man can certainly be one of them, but the current hysteria can't account for previous changes if it's mostly man made.

The problem with all this is that we are supposed to believe that the climate should remain basically static, with no change over our life times. We're supposed to buy the idea that weather recordings from the 20's and 30's at what was a grass field airport should be the same today when the airport is surrounded by miles of black tarmac, buildings, etc. We're supposed to believe that when NASA or NOAA are caught manipulating data it was "just a mistake" but when someone questions the data they are "deniers" that must be in the pocket of Big Oil and want us all to die. We are supposed to believe that the scientists and others in the Climate Change Industry aren't like everyone else, that they don't have bills to pay, kids to clothe and feed, mortgages. etc. So they wouldn't ever produce agenda driven data.

Well, sorry, I'm not buying it. #1- we've already seen evidence of agenda driven data and reports and other things that call the Climate Change Industry into question. #2- Without climate change, a lot of people would be out of a job. You really think no one would massage a little data to keep their job? #3- No matter what the weather or climate does, warm or cool, no storms, lots of storms, it's ALL climate change. That defies logic. #4- the 99% consensus? It's horse puckey. Look it up.

In short, the fact is we don't know what we don't know. The sun and the oceans control our weather and our climate. We can't control either of those. Yes, we should be good stewards. Yes, the earth is exploited and abused daily and would probably be better off without mankind altogether if you're a purist, but that's not going to happen and shouldn't anyway. The sole answer put forth by the Climate Change Industry is that the west and the 1st world nations should cripple themselves and send their wealth to the rest of the world...via the UN IPCC of course, who will take their cut and distribute that wealth where they see fit. No chance of any malfeasance there! That's the real world, that's where we are.

It's not about climate change or weather. It's about power and money, no more, no less.

(quoted from post at 15:42:10 11/23/18) So, when there is unusually cold temps, does the global warming talk just ignore the event. I know when it is usually hot , or dry, or wet, or stormy, or wild fires, it is non stop commentary on warming and climate change. And, the obvious thing about climate change discussion is everything associated with it has BAD consequences. Everything. No exceptions. So, when it gets really cold, we must be chock full of benefits, right? Must be so. So, are we going to hear about any?

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Any time it's hot somewhere, it is attributed to climate change, but when it's cold, it's just weather.
The science behind climate change is so settled that they had to change the title from global warming to climate change.

With over 4.5 billion years of history and only the last 100 years somewhat accurately recorded what is an "abnormal" weather pattern?

I actually think cold winters are a good thing, helps slow down the invasive species.