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pinball

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gas got up to around 2.75 but now its down to 2.36. diesel was up to 3.00. its still 3.00. anyone know why.
 
Diesel /light oil fractions from refinery have other customers this time of year--home heating oil is being delivered in northeastern states, Jet fuel uses some of same light oil fractions as diesel and it is getting into holiday travel for thanksgiving. Gasoline usage may vary, winter fall has somewhat less demand late fall- main summer tourist travel time is over now.
RN
 
Wish we had $3 diesel!

Cheapest I can find here (western NY) is 3.29. I saw 3.65 on I-90 near Waterloo last weekend.
 
Diesel has been up between $3.35-$3.45 / gallon here in MI for probably a year or so. Lots more tax on it here than gas.
 
Wish I could find 3.00 Gas its 3.29 here - 3.04 for Off road diesel otherwise diesel is 3.35

Here is Willamette Valley Oregon
 
Heating oil = diesel, it does not go down this time of year and a tough winter it goes up by February we can?t make enough out of the crude compared to gasoline distilling ratios. Also a rough winter means more snow removal, more heavy equipment running on diesel.

Gasoline over winter can use poorer junk in the mix, stuff that normally evaporates in the heat of summer. So it becomes cheaper but makes poorer mpg over winter. You really aren?t gaining anything with the cheaper prices, the mpg is poorer. My pickup,loses 2mpg.

Paul
 
Lol move to Canada. Was a $1.10 a litre today, so like $5 a gallon American.
But it?s all relative, got my hip and knee replaced,didn?t cost me anything. Some days I wish I had the American Way of life, other days am grateful to be a Canuck. My .02 cents worth
Bob
 
We just did the math, including the exchange rate, and it's only 3.18 usd. per gal. That's not so bad when you don't spend a 1000 usd. a month on health insurance!
 
We spend more on health insurance than you think. Drug cost are not covered under the basic health insurance plan here in Canada. Most of us carry supplemental insurance for that that is either paid for at the workplace or out of pocket.
 
I remember being in Canada few years back. went to a store and bought about 50 buck worth of stuff. noticed they charged me like 10 percent then another 13 percent taxes. I asked the lady why it was like this and she said the 13 percent was for national health care. course I could have filed a paper to get that amount back but wasn't that much to fool with. my wife and I are both on Medicare. we have a supplement policy. altogether we pay around 700 a month for insurance protection so 8400 a year. If I spent 60000 a year at 13 percent would be 7800. would be cheaper to have nat coverage here. course if I spend less then it would be more. your right some things in Canada are better, some are worse. guess we all just got to get by.
 
Gasoline switches to winter grade around October, and winter grade gas is cheaper to blend than summer gas. Also, there's much less vacation travel this time of year, reducing demand for gasoline. It may come back up during the holidays.
 
You guys don't know you're living! Diesel (now the great Satan, of course, here in the UK) at ?1.35 per litre is your equivalent of $6.57 a gallon! Petrol (gas) is quite a bit cheaper at $5.82/gallon! Different tax structure, of course, and our health care is free across the board, also our prescription drugs. Jim
 
When they went to ULSD they claimed it cost a lot more to get that last bit of sulphur out. Some kind of excuse to raise the price. Even then, I think the price had about caught up with gasoline.
 
I don't think we ever see cheaper deisel than gas anymore. Those days are over. One reason I think is 20 years ago, deisel engines not all that common in 3/4 ton and bigger pickups. Now, it's the other way around. Gas engines are not as common in larger pickups. Alot more deisel engines out there on our roadways than what there use to be.
 
Pinball ..... so my math tells me that 10+13 = 23% tax total. So you bought $50 worth of "stuff" and then paid $11.50 in tax? The feds would have had a good laugh had you applied to get that back. No such tax rate up here back then or now. Maybe you were buying the "stuff" that is now legal up here .... ha !!!
 
(quoted from post at 00:03:13 11/14/18) Lol move to Canada. Was a $1.10 a litre today, so like $5 a gallon American.
But it?s all relative, got my hip and knee replaced,didn?t cost me anything. Some days I wish I had the American Way of life, other days am grateful to be a Canuck. My .02 cents worth
Bob
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Of course it cost you something. Why do you think your fuel and food and clothing and everything is more expensive. Your taxes and the hidden taxes pay for it. The world price of crude is what it is. What it costs in the US, Canada, Sweden, Ireland, Brazil or anywhere else is mostly dependent on what else is tacked onto it.
 
(quoted from post at 08:24:05 11/14/18) You guys don't know you're living! Diesel (now the great Satan, of course, here in the UK) at ?1.35 per litre is your equivalent of $6.57 a gallon! Petrol (gas) is quite a bit cheaper at $5.82/gallon! Different tax structure, of course, and our health care is free across the board, also our prescription drugs. Jim
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None of what you get is "free". See my post above and leys deal with reality.
 
Jamstra ..... with prices in Britain generally high (from what I hear and read), the average everyday Joe must have a tough time making ends meet. I know this is a tough question but what sort of hourly wage would say a basic unskilled job pay? Or a trades person like a mechanic or electrician, etc? Is there an minimum wage in England or more widespread in the whole of Britain?
 
Crazy Horse, the minimum wage in the UK for an adult (over 25) is approximately $10/hr.
Fully skilled guys eg mechanics, electricians etc maybe $35 to $40 per hour BUT we simply do not have enough skilled mechanics, plumbers, carpenters etc. over here and, in some places, and on some contracts, they can earn MUCH more than that.
Unskilled guys are probably going to be on near minimum rates.
IMHO, we are sending too many of our kids to university do do 'media studies', 'art history', 'fashion design' and the like, when there is good momey to be made as a skilled tradesman in many areas. Jim
 
(quoted from post at 05:15:39 11/14/18) I was always under the impression diesel was cheaper to make than gas. is that right
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lot of variable. Depends a lot on the base stock. Ultra Low Sulfur diesel is the norm now. Some base stock requires a lot of refining work to remove high sulfur content. There are other things in base oils that may make it hard to crack out the diesel/kerosene mix.

Also noted before, there are contracts for jet fuel, and heating fuel that impact the amount of diesel fuel and cost.
 
We are both on medicare, and own property in N MN that we wouldn't want to leave. My wife was born in CA, so we have an in if they take away medicare!
 
(quoted from post at 23:03:13 11/13/18) Lol move to Canada. Was a $1.10 a litre today, so like $5 a gallon American.
But it?s all relative, got my hip and knee replaced,didn?t cost me anything. Some days I wish I had the American Way of life, other days am grateful to be a Canuck. My .02 cents worth
Bob
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$1.19 for regular and $1.36 for diesel . I ask the proud owners of diesel pickups what they are gaining . Some claim the diesel is still cheaper to drive and others mumble something about torque then hey run away.
Hip and knee replacements have a waiting list of 3 months to over a year. I would rather pay health insurance instead of the taxes deducted off my paycheque . Thieving Goverment has taken over $30,000 from me so far this year .
 
About 20-30 years ago or thereabouts, the local school boards started shutting down high school's (grades 10-12) vocational/trades/shop programs. Everyone was going to be an intellectual of course, lots of brain surgeons and rocket scientists.. Now those trades people are in demand, and while a good number of those same schools have gone back (at least a bit) and post-secondary trade schools have good enrollments, it is difficult for a generation of kids who have sat behind a computer desk for their whole life to think of work as being anything but that sort of thing. There are still trades that require a lot of physical work and a good number of today's students fear that sort of workday.
 
B&D ...... $30,000 so far and November is just 1/2 over? I'd say you're hauling in a pretty princely sum of
income compared to most of us poor folk on the forum. I guess it's one way of telling us that you're pretty
well heeled. Some would like to have that same problem.
 
A gas one ton dually gets 8 mpg at 7500 pounds a
diesel one ton dually gets 17 at 9500 pounds I know
your smart enough to do the math on that on
ownership over 300,000 miles
 
Yesterday gas was 2.79 and on road diesel was 3.29 at our local marathon station. 70 miles away in Chillicothe, Ohio it was 2.39 for gas and diesel was around 3.09 a gal. We're closer to the refinery, go figure. I also paid 2.399 for propane this morning plus tax. 400 gal total price was 1029.17. I had my tank filled but our furnace is both electric and propane, so until the real bad weather hits in January we will be on electric (it's cheaper) and I never thought I would say that. Keith
 
(quoted from post at 15:51:30 11/14/18) A gas one ton dually gets 8 mpg at 7500 pounds a
diesel one ton dually gets 17 at 9500 pounds I know
your smart enough to do the math on that on
ownership over 300,000 miles
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Be homest with your numbers . You are quoting carbureted gasoline mileage and diesels prior to 2007 emissions . A 300,000 mile pickup is the exception . Most are rusted out and junked prior to 150,000-200,000.
 
(quoted from post at 18:14:24 11/14/18) Diesel is up because ocean going freighters are no longer allowed to us bunker fuel, they have to burn ULSD diesel.
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As I understand it, that's only within certain US waters. Once they get outside the territorial limit they can do as they please. But that's just based on a news article, so it could be completely false.
 
[b:896ac76584] Hip and knee replacements have a waiting list of 3 months to over a year. [/b:896ac76584]I would rather pay health insurance instead of the taxes deducted off my paycheque . Thieving Goverment has taken over $30,000 from me so far this year .
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People refuse to believe that down here for some reason. All they'd have to do is go to the local hospital and see all the people from Ontario and Quebec coming in every day to get treatment for what should be routine things. It's a major income source for our local hospitals.
 
(quoted from post at 15:04:20 11/14/18) B&D ...... $30,000 so far and November is just 1/2 over? I'd say you're hauling in a pretty princely sum of
income compared to most of us poor folk on the forum. I guess it's one way of telling us that you're pretty
well heeled. Some would like to have that same problem.
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Did you come to this conclusion without being aware that it takes 3 of our dollars to equal 2 of yours ? Are you aware that 50,000 in Canada is taxed at a much higher bracket than 50,000 in the US ?
 
(quoted from post at 17:14:24 11/14/18) Diesel is up because ocean going freighters are no longer allowed to us bunker fuel, they have to burn ULSD diesel.
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In the ocean bunker fuel is allowed however when in or near port the propulsion and power generation diesels are to switch to #2 diesel.
 
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