Starting Cold Tractors.

rusty6 · Oct 31, 2018

Tight storage conditions in the shed means I usually have to start 2 or 3 other things to get the one I want out of the shed. First the 730
Case and Massey Super 90 before I could get the IH gravel truck out of the shed. Then the JD 2140 that I was going to use to load dirt with.
Interesting how the newest (the 2140) is the hardest starting and needs ether (or block heater) when the temp gets down near freezing. I
suspect the injectors might need a little work after 8000 hours. Here is the video.
Starting Tractors

Royse · Oct 31, 2018

Nice video Rusty. I have to shuffle them around to get the
one I need out too. Around here we call it musical tractors.

NCWayne · Oct 31, 2018

You'd be amazed how many newer engines are using the old precombustion chamber designs. They, like those in years past, require a generous preheat period if you want them to start reliably, especially at colder temps. Just got done checking out a skid steer that the owner said was hard starting. All the glow plugs checked OK, but it still wouldn't start, even if you let the preheat counter time out. It wound up taking three preheat cycles to build enough heat, and she fired off like a dream. I know these engines tend to start relatively easy when new, with the given time cycle, for a given temp, but I don't think the mfgs bother factoring in the extended cycles needed once the engine gets some wear, and compression drops some.

shinnery · Oct 31, 2018

Now all you need is to have to air up a couple of tires in the middle of that.

rusty6 · Nov 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 21:53:17 10/31/18) You'd be amazed how many newer engines are using the old precombustion chamber designs. They, like those in years past, require a generous preheat period

When it gets seriously cold here I'll use the block heater. The 730 Case does not have a block heater but that manifold heater makes a huge difference in starting. The Massey Super 90 starts a lot better since having the head off and planed with a new gasket, and cleaning the injectors.

Bruce from Can. · Nov 1, 2018

Good video. Does the tow bar connect to steering linkage on the truck? If not, why do the truck tires not turn off to the left or right, once it hits a small bump ?

Tx Jim · Nov 1, 2018

rusty6
Have you tried rapidly turning steering wheel from side to side while cranking engine? Turning SW relieves pressure that hyd pump is attempting to create during engine start up. Has the negative battery cables been re-located from battery box attaching point to engine block? With 8000 hrs on tachometer I'll agree that the injectors need to be checked.

JD 2140 engine doesn't have pre-combustion chambers that NCWayne referred to but the notorious JD 2010 diesel had them.

NYOlivers · Nov 1, 2018

Great video... It's the same way around here, No matter what tractor, vehicle or piece of equipment you need. It is packed in by other stuff and all has to be moved to get want you want. That's way it goes I guess. I really like those old International trucks. Where I used to work we had a 55 International tow truck, it was put together with a school bus frame, milk truck cab and the wrecker was completely fabricated from scratch by one of the old mechanics. I wish I had more pics of it before it was sold off.

rusty6 · Nov 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 02:33:34 11/01/18) Good video. Does the tow bar connect to steering linkage on the truck? If not, why do the truck tires not turn off to the left or right, once it hits a small bump ?

No, the hitch only pins to the bumper. The steering wheel is free to go where it wants and it follows surprisingly well considering there is slack in the truck steering.

rusty6 · Nov 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 02:37:49 11/01/18)
rusty6
Have you tried rapidly turning steering wheel from side to side while cranking engine? Turning SW relieves pressure that hyd pump is attempting to create during engine start up. Has the negative battery cables been re-located from battery box attaching point to engine block?

I'll have to try that. But the starter seems to spin it fine. Just so many false starts that disengage the starter. I'm convinced it is a fuel delivery problem due to age. Got a real smokey idle compared to the other diesels too.

buickanddeere · Nov 1, 2018

Normal to need a block heater . Saves more wear on the engine than the guys who change the oil every full moon.

Tx Jim · Nov 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 09:49:51 11/01/18)

I'll have to try that. But the starter seems to spin it fine. Just so many false starts that disengage the starter. I'm convinced it is a fuel delivery problem due to age. Got a real smokey idle compared to the other diesels too.

You could try adding a starter relay that should send more amps to "S" post on starter solenoid when ign switch is turned to start position. JD offered the relay kits pictured below for field installation.

notjustair · Nov 1, 2018

It?s how I pull a pickup with me to the field. If the hitch to the bumper is stiff (two arms with only vertical movement) then the pickup has no choice but to follow along. I have pulled my restored VWs the same way, but with those I have to keep the key in the ignition so the steering wheel doesn?t lock. Bumps aren?t a problem at any rolling speed, but if you are just crawling over them (leaving the field) I have had them roll the steering wheel all the way to lock one direction. In that case I have to get out and point them forward again. Once it is rolling bumps don?t matter.

rusty6 · Nov 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 11:10:11 11/01/18) Bumps aren?t a problem at any rolling speed, but if you are just crawling over them (leaving the field) I have had them roll the steering wheel all the way to lock one direction. In that case I have to get out and point them forward again. Once it is rolling bumps don?t matter.

I have had the same esperience leaving the yard. Wheel must have hit a rock at low speed while I was turning and the truck went full lock and the tires were plowing furrows. Had to stop and crank the truck wheels back straight and then they were fine. I've pulled it down the road at full speed but have a rope tied so the wheel can't make a full turn. It will drag a bit on the corners like that though.

Tech 7 · Nov 1, 2018

Rusty6: have a look to see if that 2140 has a Thermostart attachment. This incorporates a small fuel resevoir and an electrical element located on the intake manifold. It is activated by turning you starter switch counter-clockwise and holding it for a few seconds to warm the intake air.
I do agree that having the starter working better is step 1

rusty6 · Nov 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 12:55:18 11/01/18) Rusty6: have a look to see if that 2140 has a Thermostart attachment. This incorporates a small fuel resevoir and an electrical element located on the intake manifold. It is activated by turning you starter switch counter-clockwise and holding it for a few seconds to warm the intake air.
I do agree that having the starter working better is step 1

I have that intake heater on the 730 Case but never considered the John Deere might have it. Just looking in the operators manual I see they do refer to an optional cold starting aid just as you describe. I'll check it out tomorrow.

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