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indianabuckman

10-12-2018 08:03:26




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I got my first quote for a new HVAC for the house at little over $12000.00 It was the top of the line for a American Standard, is this a good brand, the price seem to be a little high. Its a 4 ton heat pump and Air Handler. Total electric for a 2500 sq ft house. What brand names do you use? My old heat pump was a Carrier last for 31 years.




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buickanddeere

10-13-2018 07:09:47




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
Installed a 199,000 btu condensing tankless water heater, a Carrier 2-1/2 ton heat pump and a Carrier condensing LP furnace for $16,000 canadian.



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Oops

10-12-2018 19:52:09




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
What seer rating? 10 yr parts and labor warranty? Variable speed? Depends on seer rating,type of warranty and physical location of equipment and brand. As a HVAC tech my only advice is check the company carefully. You can save a lot on the front end and loss your hind end afterwards if the company isn't around to take care of problems later. Quality of installation is more important than brand in my opinion. Like spending a pile on a complete rebuild kit then installing it without completely cleaning the block.

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huntingreen2day2

10-12-2018 17:48:02




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
I donít know what they do now but in the plant I worked in at one time they cut a hole in the side of the box and stuck an American Standard sticker over the top of the Trane sticker. American Standard name unit came about in order to open up the dealer network. Trane is all I have owned.



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Oops

10-12-2018 19:56:07




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to huntingreen2day2, 10-12-2018 17:48:02  
Biggest difference between Trane and American Standard is the first letter of the model number. Furnace Trane tud American Standard aud. Parts are interchangeable.



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c.amick

10-12-2018 17:07:23




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
Is it a 13 seer unit that you are getting quotes on? We have a Goodman all electric with no problems so far, but it's only 8 years old.



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2510Paul

10-12-2018 16:51:10




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
Someone I know is upgrading his furnace and AC. Since I worked for a HVAC Mfg for 37+ years he has been asking me for input.

First, Consumer Reports shows Trane and American Standard (allegedly the same units) in the first two for reported reliability for Residential AC. They are in the first three for Gas Furnaces units. Ruud was first in the Gas Furnace area for reliability but dropped in the Residential AC list.


This person was given three quotes for Standard, Medium, and Premium systems, $7K+, $8K+, and $11K+, respectively. All had variable speed indoor fans and WiFi enabled thermostats, Medium picked up a dual speed compressor, Premium pretty much had variable everything. He was given expected payback periods for the Medium and Premium systems.

I suggest you do the same. Then you can decide if the incremental cost is worth the payback period. Maybe you're the kind of guy that just has to have the highest tech solution, maybe not. Personally, when I upgraded I wanted the variable speed indoor fan to keep the air mixed in my four level house. The WiFi thermostat might be nice if you and your spouse are away from the house a lot but if you are usually around a low tech programmable thermostat might be all you need.
Paul

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Hay hay hay

10-12-2018 15:18:52




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
I would never ever under any circumstances buy another York heat pump or air handler. Annual problems for 10 years.
I had Carrier before and it was fine.
I have found that the very high seer units, 90++ efficient, are so complex and have so much computerization that very few HVAC techs can work on them and even when the same HVAC company comes back, they send a different tech and we start the learning curve all over again.

Blower system ..variable speed $800, New coil $2000 plus. I know more than I ever wanted to know about HVAC. I just wanted to set the thermostat and stay cool or warm. ...hasn't been that easy.

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Hay hay hay

10-12-2018 17:36:31




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to Hay hay hay, 10-12-2018 15:18:52  
Let me add that my system is 10 yrs old. Perhaps I was the guinea pig for this high seer stuff. Maybe the reliability is much improved.....but...I don't know how to prove that.



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grizz02

10-12-2018 13:35:08




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
look up Goodman furnaces there in Texas they build 3or 4 of the name brand heaters mines gas but heating guy what 3k for furnace got it for 900.00 free shipping just google Goodman furnaces



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Bob Harvey

10-12-2018 13:25:46




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
We put a Daikin 'mini split' system - three units and heat exchanger, just over 5 years ago. Deleted the baseboard heaters, and still use an airtight wood heater in the cold damp time (now). Total price was $7500 - there was a $1500 Gov't. rebate for energy savings. Anyhoo, the savings in electricity (plus the bonus of A/C) have paid for the whole deal this month. We went from an 'average plan of $160 per mo. (that Hydro wanted to up to $220 just at the time of installation - current avg. $65). I like it. HTH

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wjytexas

10-12-2018 13:13:07




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
That matches the first bid my cousin got on a Trane AC/heat pump in Central Texas. The big issue was all the inside stuff is in the attic. He checked around and eventually got the same unit for $9,000.



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Mike M

10-12-2018 10:51:13




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
Oh man I hope mine holds up ! They must of really went up in price over the years.



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dr sportster

10-12-2018 09:54:10




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
I got a price of 6000 to remove my old unit and replace everything. Contractor told me he was union and his labor cost was high and I should get other quotes { he was a friend].



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INCase

10-12-2018 09:06:25




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
we just put in a 1 ton mini-split heatpump/ac unit.

just parts (unit plus lines, plus mounting base, plus line covers, electric box ect ect ect) was about $2200 WITHOUT installation

luckily i work for the company so the unit was 1/2 price and I put it in but gave an HVAC guy $250 to leak test, purge, vaccum and let the freon out.

probably won't use the heat pump much as we have Nat Gas an high electric but i suspect the heat pump will be more cost effective than the Pellet stove as the pellet stove probably uses just as much electric as the heat pump (22 SEER rating)

so the point is... you can spend alot of money pretty quick.

so all electric you probably have backup coils in the air handler too.

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Roger Tomfohrde

10-12-2018 08:24:10




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
Retro fit or new install with all new duct work? Seems a little high for just a retrofit unless there are other circumstances not mentioned. American Standard is a lower cost version of Trane. Electric around here is not cost effective to Natural Gas unless you get off peak pricing. Is there a change in wiring and electrical panels then it comes in line with the price.



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indianabuckman

10-12-2018 09:52:28




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to Roger Tomfohrde, 10-12-2018 08:24:10  
Just installing the Heat pump and Air Handler that's it.



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Steve@Advance

10-12-2018 10:29:38




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 09:52:28  
Sounds high to me.

Some times labor runs higher if it's an attic unit.

I would get more quotes. Don't rely too much on the brand, there is not that much difference in brands, but there are many levels of technology, different SEER ratings with each brand. Do some research, find out what the options are before settling on what the installer wants to sell you.

Word of mouth advertising is the best way to find a good HVAC company. Ask your neighbors and acquaintances who they use. TV advertising, billboards, full page newspaper ads are a huge red flag!

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indianabuckman

10-12-2018 10:53:53




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to Steve@Advance, 10-12-2018 10:29:38  
I'm getting 5 different quotes



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rustyacres sd

10-12-2018 08:18:38




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 Re: New HVAC? in reply to indianabuckman, 10-12-2018 08:03:26  
Just put in a new system this summer.
I am on an all electric, and I went with Lennox.
I think mine was a 2.5 ton
Right at 10,000



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