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This happens pretty much once or twice a week. I was driving the loaded sand box the other day on a secondary road. Coming towards me an empty trailer dump swerved into my lane in order to go around a bicyclist. His buddy behind him followed blind, forcing me to go onto the shoulder. Both of them were well over the speed limit, while I was a little under. If my lane is blocked or obstructed I will slow down or if need be stop, even though I could accelerate and get to the obstruction first and force the other guy to stop or go off the road.
 
Most people are a poor judge of distance and/or don't think that far ahead. It's up to the rest of us to pay attention for them, if for no other reason than self-preservation.

You could have taught him a lesson, just took him head-on, probably killing the bicyclist, but that would be terribly inconvenient. It would hurt, a lot, and cost, a lot...

What else are you going to do?
 
Happens all the time, mail cars, bicycles, farm equipment, pot hole, youname it. The choice is to be right, or dead right, you slam the brakes and head for the berm.
 
In NY I Think the bicyclist has as much rights as a motor vehicle. When I come up on one, I treat it just like a car, and wait till I have room to pass it. What drives me nuts is when you have to try and get past a line of them ten bikes long. It's almost impossible to do it safely
Pete
 
His buddy behind was the guilty one. He was following too close and could not avoid the bicyclist. Have seen it
many times with semi's.
 
Here in ky they have killed to many bicyclists now you have to give them three feet, so even if they are
on the shoulder you are going to be in the other lane.
 
(quoted from post at 09:53:21 09/26/18) In NY I Think the bicyclist has as much rights as a motor vehicle. When I come up on one, I treat it just like a car, and wait till I have room to pass it. What drives me nuts is when you have to try and get past a line of them ten bikes long. It's almost impossible to do it safely
Pete
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Yup, and they're supposed to obey all the traffic laws too. Boy do they get mad when you give them a ticket for a violation of the V+T law.
 
Your kidding right? If stopping or slowing down is an option for you, why would you even consider accelerating and turning a
simple solution into possibly a dangerous or deadly one?
 
Sounds to me like you are practicing
defensive driving like I was taught to do.
All it's cost you is a few minutes of time
and that was given to you. The alternative
might just cost someone their life. To me
it's a no brainier. Sadly for the majority
now a days it doesn't matter who doesn't
make it home in one piece cause all that
matters is ME.

As irritating as it is I commend you for
caring about your fellow man.
 
I'd of stopped to to let the idiots pass the bike. That said the law in Virginia is its illegal to pass on a solid line for any reason unless at the direction of a cop.Crossing a solid line to pass a bike or tractor is illegal.Even crossing a solid line to pass a stopped vehicle is illegal, I was in court one day when a guy was convicted of passing on a solid line to get by a stopped car.
 
You have to stop. Never figure the other guy has any sense. As far as Bicycles on the road..... i think if you cannot do the speed limit and you don't pay road taxes with that "vehicle" it should not be allowed. However the State of Missouri doesn't see it that way. This is just one crabby old country boys opinion.
 
This a sore spot for me. I believe that each of us has the primary responsibility for our own safety. The bicyclist must have felt safe enough to to stay on the right side of the traffic lane.
I have thought of this situation many times. I think I would only move over at the very last moment. BUT at the end of the day, I want to be able to go to bed and get a good nights sleep.
Knowing that I am not responsible for any one getting hurt.
 
Farm equipment and bicycles are both entitled to use a full lane. Legally you have to wait until there is no oncoming traffic to pass them. I give farm equipment and bicycles the same respect whether it is one bike, a C Farmall or a huge combine.
 
A better driver would have waited until you were past the bicyclist to move into your lane to pass. Your action was the only one available to you under the circumstances.
Had you "enforced" your right of way, the outcome could have been a fatality. Sadly, there are too many people driving large commercial vehicles that simply do not follow the rules of safe and courteous driving.
 
I sold off my pick up years ago and have been driving a small car everyday. I have numerous instances where having that small car let me either stop quicker or get over far enough and still stay on road to avoid IDIOTS like you just encountered. You really have to be on your toes defensively driving these days.
 
(quoted from post at 13:45:44 09/26/18)
The bicyclist should have been on the shoulder.
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Bicycles have the same rights to use the road as automobiles! Do you act the same way with slow tractors?
Elmo
 
ALWAYS avoid an Accident. Even when you want to force the Azzhead to get his just due. The bicycle would have gotten the worst part of that deal and that would have been on your conscience.
 
I personally think way too many cyclists are total idiots. Ride in the
slow lane,not the bike lane. Cut right across trafic and through stop
and yeild signs. If you give a little toot they flip the bird. Think
they are invincible and they look stupid too. If you hit them you are
screwed. That is why everyone needs a dash cam.
 
Same problem with farm equipment.
No license plate, no road tax, can not do the speed limit.
Not safe for anyone here.
 
I am glade to see that somebody else has bikers that are idiots because they are the same way around here. I had one a week ago that cut across traffic at a 4 lane highway making several driver cram on brakes.
 
I hate bicycles on the roads but they do have the right of way
and there is a human life just as valuable as our own sitting on
the seat. I know the point of your post is the oncoming trucks
should have slowed down to their speed and followed if they
didn?t have a clear area to pass without forcing you off the
road. In that case the other truck drivers are a holes and you
did the right thing to keep everyone safe given the situation. I
guess that?s where the Blake Shelden song Sone Beach came
from.
 
Agreed. I've seen bicyclist on the sidewalk, then swerve into traffic, than cross at the crosswalk then take a full lane of traffic.....

When a bicyclist pays the same road taxes (through fuel and tags) I pay for my car/truck then they have the same rights to road.
 

First off, I think the bicycle does NOT belong on a high speed road anymore than letting pedestrians walk down the middle of the road. Common sense would tell you that mixing high and low speed traffic will cause an accident. Also in an accident, mixing cars and bikes, bad things are going to happen.

Until you solve that problem, its a matter of how many do you kill or injure.

For some reason our logic goes out the window when it comes to bicycles. We totally ignore the laws of physics, safety and common sense. At least the interstates have laws that ban pedestrians and bicycles.
 
Feel the same way about farm tractors? Farm tractors don't pay fuel taxes either and if either is put off the road it'll be farm tractors because a lot more people vote that have bikes than tractors.
 
I'm not really a fan of your hate for bicyclists. Some bicyclists are jerks I'm sure, as described in some of the posts. However, as a parent with 4 school-aged kids, I would rather see them out riding bikes than sitting in front of the tv or on the couch texting all day long. Sure, when biking, we try to avoid busy roads, and try to get off the road if there is traffic from both directions, but bicyclists, walkers, joggers all have a right to be on the road. If avoiding them in the manner required by law is that much of a burden to you, you might want to reflect on your life a little. This doesn't sound like the biker's fault, it sounds like an idiot truck driver's fault.
 
Farm equipment is not licensed and rarely pay fuel taxes either, are you saying all farm equipment used on the roads be licensed? Most farm trucks get a break on registration fees, inspection requirements and driver license requirements, are you saying those breaks should be revoked?
 
no. no difference. and yes. us farmers that don't pull over when we can to let traffic by are rude. in fact here if you are holding up 3 or more vehicles behind you you can get a ticket. i don't think its ever enforced though.
 
I am a died in the wool bike rider. Every Wednesday in the summer is "bike ride day" for me and my two daughters. It keeps me in really good shape. I bought my bike with my own money when I was 14 years old. Schwinn Varsity 10 speed and I used to ride it on the roads AND I followed all the laws that cars followed. But I was not a car and I don't do that anymore and I do not support these people in their spandex outfits riding down the white line on a 55 mph highway. It endangers them and other people. There are roads everywhere that are much safer and a cross country ride zig zagging thru housing developments and such is much more interesting. ME? I stay on the paths at the park. 10-20 miles every week, once a week minimum.
 
yeah i'm surprised there aren't more car/buggy accidents.

Drives me nuts when tourists swerve clear into the oncoming lane to give the buggy space even though on the major roads they have a full width berm to ride one. 1st they don't need to give them that much room and 2nd. if they are that worried they should stay behind the buggy.

this morning i passed a dutchie riding his bike leading a horse beside him. dangerous if the horse desided to go a different way or faster/slower. was just daylight so i flashed the cars going the other way so they didn't hit him/them..
 
I live in a very scenic area, a favorite for bikers and big organized bike rides. Yes, it is a pain in the butt when
they hog the road. We have many hills, so if I get caught behind one slowly grinding up a hill, I can't pass until it
is clear to see oncoming traffic. I used to be a bike rider, probably 30 miles a week, but no more due to knees. Yes
these folks are very inconsiderate, some are just stupid jerks.... BUT. I am not going to kill one of them just because
I want to get to town 5 minutes faster. I see a lot of stupid drivers testing the law of averages, passing blind,
following too close, blowing them off the road...but killing someone to save 5 minutes would sure put a damper on the
rest of your life.
 
I have a problem with bikes and people that walk on the road.On a hilly side road
they force you over to the middle of the road to miss them. If someone is coming
over the hill toward you the other way your in trouble.They won't get off the
road,just stand there 2 ft from edge of the road staring at you.
 
Those whining about tractors not paying fuel tax.... last time I looked at my PROPERTY tax bill it
included line items for townshifp roads and bridge improvements. How many percent of the fuel
used in a tractor is burnt on a road, unless all you do is drive them in parades. Why don?t bicycles
have SMV signs and flashers?
 
(quoted from post at 14:43:52 09/26/18) Those whining about tractors not paying fuel tax.... last time I looked at my PROPERTY tax bill it
included line items for townshifp roads and bridge improvements. How many percent of the fuel
used in a tractor is burnt on a road, unless all you do is drive them in parades. Why don?t bicycles
have SMV signs and flashers?
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Very simple 451, as already said far more bicyclists vote than farmers.
 
Every idiot on a bicycle riding on a county, state, of federal highway needs to have a license plate on the
darn thing + carry proof of full coverage insurance. I used to drive a truck on same highways, I've been run
off the road by these bozos, came within about 1/10th of an inch of killing idiots when they run red lights or
stop signs. They all do it. They believe traffic laws only pertain to everyone else, defiantly not to them.
 


Well, I look at it this way. Around here we have cars, trucks, tractors, motorcycles, construction equipment, field trucks (unregistered, uninsured, un-road worthy farm implements). ATV/UTV/dirt bikes, pedestrians, bicyclists, buggies, horseback riders, snowmobiles and snowplows all using the same roads. Our town road is, IIRC, 12 feet wide with no improved shoulder over much of it. Our county roads are wider, maybe 16-18 feet and most don't have a paved shoulder and many don't have in improved shoulder. State roads are much wider with a paved shoulder. We also have a lot of one lane bridges. The biggest problems I see now and saw professionally in LE is people driving with a cranial/rectal inversion, ie- head up their backside. Doesn't matter if it's the milktruck driver doing 55-60 down a town road on a foggy morning, a group of motorcycles riding 2 breast and putting one guy a couple inches off the center line or a retired college professor riding his $2500 bicycle in the roadway when he's got 6 feet of paved shoulder he could be using. We all need to slow down, drive defensively and politely and do our best under the circumstances we live with. Everybody is a horses backside at one time or another and driving seems to bring out the worst in some folks, especially if someone else causes them to have to slow down or wait a moment to pass. I know people very well that will come to a complete halt in the middle of the road to make sure a turtle gets out of the lane that get all bent out shape when they get behind a tractor and piece of equipment on a hill. (Don't tell my wife I'm talking about her!!!) If we'd all try to be a bit more considerate and slow down just a little, or get to the side of the road with the tractor (now I'm talking about my son!) instead of staying in the middle, we'd all be a bit better off.
 
I'm usually on two-lane roads around my place. Often I'll come across a cyclist in my lane. Oddly enough, there almost always seems to be an oncoming car at precisely the same time. I'll slow to where I'm behind the cyclist (as opposed to going into the other lane to go around). A minor inconvenience, not nearly as hard as pedaling up and down the hills in my area.
 
A couple weeks ago I was pulling a couple gravity wagons on the road running about 30 mph. I had a car and a bobtail pass me and force an oncoming car off on the shoulder. Some people just can't wait 30 seconds for the path to be clear.
 
Good point never considered that. However Farm equipment has a job to do and is usually more visible. I'm talking about 35mph paved county rds. Not sure what the answer is
 
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