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Traditional Farmer
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Sounds about right to me,usually the Grammar Police pipe in when they have nothing of substance to add or cannot think of a counter point to what that has been said but want some type of attention or seek to somehow discredit what points that have been made.
grandpa Love
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I agree with 1st sentence in article, they are annoying!
Ultradog MN
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Usually it's the laziest writers who complain about being corrected.
If we did not have standards for writing we could not understand each other.
If someone wishes to correct my grammar, spelling, punctuation or sentence structure feel free.
I am not too old or stubborn to learn.
If we did not have standards for writing we could not understand each other.
If someone wishes to correct my grammar, spelling, punctuation or sentence structure feel free.
I am not too old or stubborn to learn.
BarnyardEngineering
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The people who complain loudest about "TXT-speak" and "Ebonics" are the same ones who get the most indignant and offended when you criticize their butchering of the English language.
You can't have it both ways. If you're going to complain about someone else's improper use of language, then you darn well better be spot-on perfect with your use of the same language.
You can't have it both ways. If you're going to complain about someone else's improper use of language, then you darn well better be spot-on perfect with your use of the same language.
showcrop
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I have always blamed it on my mother being an English teacher. Misplaced modifiers have always grated me, kind of like watching a millennial round a bolt head off with an adjustable wrench. The sentence doesn't technically mean what the speaker intends to be saying, but he or she is still understood. We are still speaking the queen's English and we an understand it better than we can understand anyone who lives in the UK.
James Howell
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"[b:654c4848f0][i:654c4848f0]the Grammar Police pipe in when they have nothing of substance to add or cannot think of a counter point to what that has been said[/i:654c4848f0][/b:654c4848f0]"
Agree.
Agree.
kcm.MN
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While annoying, I have to ask something. If you see a wrong in this world, should you correct it? Should "someone" correct it??
Someone starts using improper grammar, poor choice of words, bad math, etc., and after a while, other folks may tend towards picking up the wrong information. Maybe it's just lazy writing, like abbreviating, or skipping punctuation. The fact is, we are all swayed by what we see, hear, touch, smell, and experience every day. So if we simply allow wrongs to exist and persist, then we must certainly be making it possible for others to pick up on these bad habits.
On the other hand, some people are really poor when it comes to grammar, some with math, some with simply making a complete sentence or getting out more than, "Ugh!". Some people are good at sports, some at music, some at grammar. Some people are good at law enforcement, or fire fighting, or farming. Should we "fix" people who want to make small corrections in our everyday world?
Why not go after the part of the brain in folks who write or speak lazy? Why go after the correcting mind instead? Where's that going to lead our society and future generations? And what will it mean when we ALL are all alike, all good at some things while no good at others, and everyone the same?
Now, all that said, at least now I can go around telling folks that I have built-in GPS. ...Is it "my" fault they won't know it stands for Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome?
And about that bag of apples for $2.49 -- first of all, what's wrong with that? Is slang not allowed?? And secondly, where the heck are they to be paying only $2.49 for a bag of apples?!?!? I WANNA KNOW!!
Someone starts using improper grammar, poor choice of words, bad math, etc., and after a while, other folks may tend towards picking up the wrong information. Maybe it's just lazy writing, like abbreviating, or skipping punctuation. The fact is, we are all swayed by what we see, hear, touch, smell, and experience every day. So if we simply allow wrongs to exist and persist, then we must certainly be making it possible for others to pick up on these bad habits.
On the other hand, some people are really poor when it comes to grammar, some with math, some with simply making a complete sentence or getting out more than, "Ugh!". Some people are good at sports, some at music, some at grammar. Some people are good at law enforcement, or fire fighting, or farming. Should we "fix" people who want to make small corrections in our everyday world?
Why not go after the part of the brain in folks who write or speak lazy? Why go after the correcting mind instead? Where's that going to lead our society and future generations? And what will it mean when we ALL are all alike, all good at some things while no good at others, and everyone the same?
Now, all that said, at least now I can go around telling folks that I have built-in GPS. ...Is it "my" fault they won't know it stands for Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome?
And about that bag of apples for $2.49 -- first of all, what's wrong with that? Is slang not allowed?? And secondly, where the heck are they to be paying only $2.49 for a bag of apples?!?!? I WANNA KNOW!!
I did not view the attachment.
Two weeks ago, a woman said that she is a teacher and when she teaches the students about comma s, her example is "lets eat Grandpa." Obviously it is not meant as it appears.
If you present information that is going to be misunderstood because of poor or wrong sentence structure, how helpful have you been ?
If you were wrong about something and someone attempts to be helpful by correcting you, or to help you be better, why should you take offense to it?
Maybe I am just an impatient person. I can usually figure out where a person should have put comma s and periods, but I have to read it a few times before it makes any sense to me.
Communication has three parts. Sender, receiver, and message. What I hate is when someone needs to impress others by using words that the average person has never heard of. The message is lost, and therefore the communication has failed.
Now that I have written all of this, I should just delete it. Why? Because my opinion is only important to me. Why should you care about what I think?
Two weeks ago, a woman said that she is a teacher and when she teaches the students about comma s, her example is "lets eat Grandpa." Obviously it is not meant as it appears.
If you present information that is going to be misunderstood because of poor or wrong sentence structure, how helpful have you been ?
If you were wrong about something and someone attempts to be helpful by correcting you, or to help you be better, why should you take offense to it?
Maybe I am just an impatient person. I can usually figure out where a person should have put comma s and periods, but I have to read it a few times before it makes any sense to me.
Communication has three parts. Sender, receiver, and message. What I hate is when someone needs to impress others by using words that the average person has never heard of. The message is lost, and therefore the communication has failed.
Now that I have written all of this, I should just delete it. Why? Because my opinion is only important to me. Why should you care about what I think?
Crazy Horse
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I think a lot of errors in grammar, punctuation, etc. that are posted on websites are due to a number of possible reasons. One could be the use of hand-held phones. The smaller keyboard no doubt leads to a greater possibility of errors and maybe it's a bit tougher or inconvenient to go back and correct something (as opposed to a laptop or desk top keyboard). A second reason is that many posters perhaps do not proof read (well, let's say "read") the first version (preview) of their post/reply. They go immediately from that preview version to the post option. And yes, there are all sorts of levels of writing level skill although I do find it difficult to believe that a person can't keyboard a sentence without capitalizing the first word. That might be an example of a third reason, just plain laziness.
hoof print
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Your use of the ellipsis at the beginning of your statement is incorrect.
Tom in TN
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This "research" sounds to me like another typical load of "bovine scatology". Overpaid, underworked college professors constantly come up with this kind of crap. So now, according to these geniuses, it's a mental disorder that causes people to correct poor grammar. Meanwhile, this same kind of "researchers", think that today's ills of society are normal.
I have nothing against colleges and other institutions of higher learning, but I, frankly, am tired of the psycobabble that we are all supposed to believe because some "researcher" said so.
At least, that's the way I see it.
Tom in TN
I have nothing against colleges and other institutions of higher learning, but I, frankly, am tired of the psycobabble that we are all supposed to believe because some "researcher" said so.
At least, that's the way I see it.
Tom in TN
Crazy Horse
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Hoof Print: Yours is an interesting comment. Is his use at the end of his post and the beginning of his continuation in the body of his reply really an ellipsis? I use it all the time in emails separating the title and the first part of the email itself. I must admit, I never heard of the term until your post a few minutes ago, thank goodness for Google.
M-MAN
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Reading the article it seemed to me that they were talking about folks who think they were always right and not so much about grammar. We always knew they had a screw loose anyway. Lol
farmallsandcoops
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We all have things we are good at, and others we are not. If you realize communication is not one of those, then also realize when someone attempts to correct/educate on that, they are trying to help you more effectively communicate your thoughts and information to others. Communication is a basic skill. After all, we could all still be drawing pictures on walls of caves to tell a story. Then there would be those who think your drawing of a buffalo looks more like a dog. But remember how you communicate reflects on you and the thoughts you are trying to relate to others. If they cannot understand them, they cannot understand you.
Steve@Advance
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sde, I think you are on to something here...
A lot depends on the person's profession.
As a professional educator, that person would have a life time of observation of the right and wrong way to communicate. They may feel it is their calling to make the world a better place through literacy.
But there needs to be discretion. They shouldn't expect a layperson to hold to the same standards of a professional journalist.
Just like I cringe to see a poorly repaired piece of equipment.
If it were done in the field with limited resources by someone doing what they had to do to get running, that's just the way it is. I'll correct it only if asked and without criticism.
But if it happens at the dealership... That's a different story!
A lot depends on the person's profession.
As a professional educator, that person would have a life time of observation of the right and wrong way to communicate. They may feel it is their calling to make the world a better place through literacy.
But there needs to be discretion. They shouldn't expect a layperson to hold to the same standards of a professional journalist.
Just like I cringe to see a poorly repaired piece of equipment.
If it were done in the field with limited resources by someone doing what they had to do to get running, that's just the way it is. I'll correct it only if asked and without criticism.
But if it happens at the dealership... That's a different story!
Traditional Farmer
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I get apples out of PA for $16 a bushel,excellent apples too and a lot of different varieties.
I say, round up all those with " Wernicke’s and Broca’s areas, the parts of the brain associated with language, were actually smaller, or exhibited reduced activity, in grammar sticklers and language purists, than in normal subjects" and put them is a 'shuttered mental health facility'!
.........or , WGAS?
.........or , WGAS?
Traditional Farmer
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Well there are those folks that know their stuff about tractors and grammar,then there are folks that know their stuff about tractors but for whatever reason never learned a lot about
grammar,then there are folks that know a lot about grammar but not much about tractors.Takes all kinds but the fellow that knows a lot about tractors but not much about grammar has a lot more to contribute here than the fellow that is a grammar expert but can't change spark plugs and its not up to us to give the fellow that missed the grammar class the education he missed or a bunch of sh***t about it.
grammar,then there are folks that know a lot about grammar but not much about tractors.Takes all kinds but the fellow that knows a lot about tractors but not much about grammar has a lot more to contribute here than the fellow that is a grammar expert but can't change spark plugs and its not up to us to give the fellow that missed the grammar class the education he missed or a bunch of sh***t about it.
kcm.MN
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You mean like the word, "heartoofour"? (--> = heretofore)
How long would it take to figure out that word, even if used in a sentence? If the grammar and spelling are off, and no punctuation, it can sometimes be impossible to pass on your meaning to someone else. And then there's folks who just assume they have it figured out what you mean and never consider asking you to rephrase (say again?).
All these things said, I was LOUSY in English, Grammar and Literature classes. Not bad, mind you....LOUSY!! Somehow, they must've gotten their lessons into my head somehow.
So what's the meaning of this post? Nuttin'. It's pointless -- kinda like me. 8) *lol*
SDE, you have some fun comment there.
To be devils advocate here, your message can be boiled down to say:
People need to have perfect grammar, but they need to use real small simple words. Otherwise no one can understand them.
Just having fun, I enjoy this thread. I can?t spell words over 5 letters long, my spelling is so bad even my spell checker can?t figure me out.
Paul
To be devils advocate here, your message can be boiled down to say:
People need to have perfect grammar, but they need to use real small simple words. Otherwise no one can understand them.
Just having fun, I enjoy this thread. I can?t spell words over 5 letters long, my spelling is so bad even my spell checker can?t figure me out.
Paul
47fivewindow
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On this site, I hope no one gets discouraged from contributing or asking a question due to a lack of formal education. The school of hard knocks is more valuable here.
Crazy Horse
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I'd second that motion, it probably shouldn't be done at all I guess. I did once (hopefully only once) correct a guy who had made fun of another poster, but in his critique he made several errors himself. We can't allow that ... ha!!
buickanddeere
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. Still no excuse to not proof read your post and use the spell checker to tidy up the majority of errors. Everyone botches thier posts with typos etc from time to time .no big deal now and again. At least just care enough to try doing what ever you do correct and accurate .
BarnyardEngineering
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...say the people who don't want it pointed out how uneducated and sloppy they are, when criticizing others for the same.
BarnyardEngineering
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Oh, and seriously, nobody's asking for perfection, just EFFORT.
timcasbolt
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Not sure how you define formal, but I've never met anyone that had not been given the opportunity to go to school and learn to read and write. What they do with that opportunity says a lot.
buickanddeere
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Just because they are your elder does not mean that they could have proof read their reply .
kcm.MN
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I'm curious about something. If I were to go and buy a used tractor from a retired farmer 20+ years my elder, and if when I get there the elder is saying the price is $500 more than it previously was, what am I to do?
A. Respect my elder and quietly turn around and go home
B. Ask my elder if he remembers the agreed-upon price
C. Go irate and threaten to knock his block off
D. Respectfully mention to my elder that his current price is $500 more than the agreed upon price
Seems you can offer corrections and still be respectful, regardless of whether it is an elder or not. Also, many people lose track of facts/information as they age (or get drunk, stoned, distracted, whatever), so why is it so wrong to offer up a correction, so long as it's done respectfully??
A. Respect my elder and quietly turn around and go home
B. Ask my elder if he remembers the agreed-upon price
C. Go irate and threaten to knock his block off
D. Respectfully mention to my elder that his current price is $500 more than the agreed upon price
Seems you can offer corrections and still be respectful, regardless of whether it is an elder or not. Also, many people lose track of facts/information as they age (or get drunk, stoned, distracted, whatever), so why is it so wrong to offer up a correction, so long as it's done respectfully??
Texasmark1
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One year when I was about belt high to one of my grandpaws, we were in a coffee shop and he was telling several of his cronies a fish story. I witnessed the event and upon his diversion from how it actually happened, right there in front of everybody I attempted to adjust the yarn.
We got through that and in the car when leaving he shook his finger at me and said that I wasn't to interrupt him while he was talking......yes sir, but mommie (his daughter) taught me to tell the truth and you weren't.
I didn't do it again and he didn't twist things in my presence again.
We got through that and in the car when leaving he shook his finger at me and said that I wasn't to interrupt him while he was talking......yes sir, but mommie (his daughter) taught me to tell the truth and you weren't.
I didn't do it again and he didn't twist things in my presence again.
kcm.MN
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But Mark, didn't they ever teach you to respect the sanctity of a good fish story?? *lol*
buickanddeere
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A person does not help keep thier elders steered straight ? What kind of a lousy uncaring cowardly person are you ?
Texasmark1
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Nooooooo. Grin
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