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Hit a pothole ...

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550Doug

09-14-2018 05:21:03




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and put a crack in my car rim. So it now leaks air. How can an aluminum rim be welded? Would a 'boot' patch on the inside do the trick?




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jim buford

09-16-2018 05:43:08




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Just like repairing the sidewall of a tire. Can be done but no one around here will because of liability issues. Some things physically can be done but with all considered is it worth it.



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docmirror

09-15-2018 06:29:17




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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whatev. I don't care if the whole world of antique tractors thinks something. They(and you) can all be wrong. Trying to help the OP, but now - just don't care.



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showcrop

09-15-2018 04:14:26




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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I found that pic Doc, and sorry it still looks like a repair of superficial damage while the OP gave the impression that is crack is pretty serious. I know it is tough being the lone proponent of something with so many taking the other side but you are a big boy, right? LOL.



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4play

09-14-2018 21:23:08




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
There are many places that can repair just about any type of scrape, bend, crack, fold etc on aluminum wheels. Just google search your nearest large metro area and I bet you will find several. I know of a few wheels that had serious cracks, major bends and even chunks missing and were repaired and are just fine after.



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docmirror

09-14-2018 19:37:43




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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Oh - come - on. There's a huge bold heading that says "WELDING" with a big picture of a guy doing a TIG repair right on the wheel. Stop digging dude.



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showcrop

09-14-2018 18:36:01




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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Yup, scroll down and drop box open click work just fine. I did find reference to fixing a crack but the impression I got at least, is that it is just superficial sort of damage of any type that they repair.



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Stephen Newell

09-14-2018 17:06:07




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Do you really want to drive on a welded rim? Not only that it would throw the tire out of balance, you would have to have the tire re-balanced because of the weight of the weld.



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docmirror

09-14-2018 16:54:56




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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Are you joking? Does the scroll down facility not work on your computer? :shock:



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showcrop

09-14-2018 15:39:24




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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Doc, it appears that awrs will repair scrapes dings bends and bruises, but there is no reference to welding cracks.



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Geo-TH,In

09-14-2018 15:19:17




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
There is an auto salvage place in town that says if they don't have what you want, they will find one for you. I think they are connected with many other salvage yards.

I needed a part and they ordered a new part at a very cheap price. Had it the next day.



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booyah11

09-14-2018 12:20:26




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Definitely repairable but will likely cost around $150 at a specialty shop, so might be worth it depending on how fancy pants your wheels are.

I've put many hours of autox in a 3k lb car with repaired wheels, so done properly it is fine.



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docmirror

09-14-2018 11:35:41




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
https://www.awrswheelrepair.com/remanufacturing

https://arswheelrepair.com/alloy-wheel-repair/



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oldtanker

09-14-2018 11:14:40




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Went and checked my local area just cause I wanted to know....neither shop who do amazing repairs would touch aluminum rims. Both guys I know well and both told me that their insurance spells it out. No repairing rims. Doesn't matter what they are made out of. The business insurance excludes them. Either can repair the frame on a vehicle and have liability issues covered but no coverage for rims.

That being said I wouldn't do it nor would i recommend anyone else try. Not in todays sue happy world.
Rick

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grizz02

09-14-2018 10:51:16




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
look on craigslist or junkyard your life and that of others is worth more then the 100 bucks you have to take the tire off anyway



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tracy brown

09-14-2018 10:45:06




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
I have welded aluminum rims before and all cracked again right where they were welded. It was not my first time to weld aluminum either. Replace.



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showcrop

09-14-2018 10:25:16




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
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A lot of people, due to the cost of rims, the likelihood of damage from potholes, and the inadvisability of repair, carry insurance specifically for their tires and rims.



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docmirror

09-14-2018 09:56:49




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
I can't believe what I'm reading. Not weld Al rims?
pfft - it's done ALL the TIME. Some cheap rims from China are too porous or too bad of an alloy, or too thin to weld. Many other rims from quality places can be straightened, welded, and work just fine for decades.
Take it to a specialty shop and let them have a look before condemning it. Maybe it can't, but more likely it can be welded. However, since it was a pothole damage, the rim may not run true. the shop will check this too.

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Mike M

09-14-2018 11:35:26




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to docmirror, 09-14-2018 09:56:49  
Yep: That how the reconditioned ones are reconditioned sometimes. Several shop specialized only in rims.



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Jon f mn

09-14-2018 09:11:48




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
I've welded literally tons of aluminum and I won't do rims. They are very hard to weld and the risk is just too high. especially specialty rims like that.



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Mike M

09-14-2018 08:26:00




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Depends on if they are alum. or alum/magnesium ? Guy who welded 2 for me said he would know right away upon first arc. Have 2 welded ones I use on my car for my winter snow tires for about 3 years now ? one may be bent or just the weld makes it hard to balance ? it vibrates a bit.



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Deutz Lover

09-14-2018 07:21:21




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Not only is it dangerous, welding will not help. The aluminum has to be aged to increase its strength. Since the other parts have already been aged (thermally) there would be different strengths and hardness. Not worth your life or anyone elses.



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550Doug

09-14-2018 06:06:18




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Yes it is a specialty rim called DUB and is a 20 inch rim. I think I may be in for a set of 4.



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coshoo

09-14-2018 11:22:44




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 06:06:18  
20 inch rims mean you probably have the low profile tires, I'm guessing. Cracked rims and instantly deflating tires are going to be a continuing problem on today's poorly maintained roads. Even if I liked the look of the big rim/little tire combination (which I don't), I'd think twice about them just from a practical standpoint.



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d beatty

09-14-2018 05:58:07




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Don't mess with it. Find a good used one or buy a new rim.



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Indiana Ken

09-14-2018 05:53:15




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Aluminum rims should never be welded, depending on the alloy and treatment, the strength could be reduced by 50%.

Once a crack is present the stress is concentrated and the crack can grow rapidly resulting in failure. This means a cracked rim should never be used with a tube or boot.



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JD Seller

09-14-2018 05:51:25




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Just buy a replacement rim. That crack can allow that rim to blow/split. I would ne be brave enough to stand there and pump air into it. BOOM and your dead!!!!! Unless it is some kind of fancy rim they are $25-50 bucks at most salvage yards here.



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Mike M

09-14-2018 06:56:36




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to JD Seller, 09-14-2018 05:51:25  
The days of $ 25 to $ 50 rims are long gone. Most all cars have special aluminum rims anymore and they cost BIG BUCKS even used. Most places don't even sell used ones they want to sell you reconditioned ones and they don't hold up nearly as well as original ones.



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JD Seller

09-14-2018 16:56:03




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to Mike M, 09-14-2018 06:56:36  
Wife bent the rim on her 2013 Impala. $35 at the salvage yard for one that is actually nicer than her other three.



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marloweg

09-14-2018 05:44:35




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
its junk.



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TGP

09-14-2018 05:36:22




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
Could have been worse.

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Tramway Guy

09-14-2018 05:31:16




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 Re: Hit a pothole ... in reply to 550Doug, 09-14-2018 05:21:03  
I wouldn’t attempt to weld it. You need a new rim. Try auto salvage yards.



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