Aumann's Lloyd Welter auction results, Monitcello, Iowa

Here is a link to Lloyd Welters auction in Monticello, Iowa.

I am 99% sure that not all these tractors were Lloyd's. Maybe half of them at the most. HE had been talking to other collectors for several years wanting to put together a large group auction and getting Aumann's in for the auction. He was wanting to be able to get more out of the ones he did own. He had even been buying more the last year or so, just for this auction. Some things sold HIGH!!! Lots sold reasonable.

A JD 6030 brought $57,225. One of the cars brought $84K . IH 1206 brought $20K. JD 1971 4020 $22K. JD 4320 $21K. Some things did not go sky high. JD 4455 showing 2000 hours MFWD and 15 SP power shift. $40,000. I would have bought it but a friend was hot for it so I stepped back and let him buy it. That would have brought $5-10K higher after fall harvest. Rumley oil pulls sold cheap. Now these were the smaller ones but in the low to mid teens would get you one. The highest 20-40 brought $35k but two 20-30 only $12,500 and $14,000. A lot of JD 60,620s, and 720s in the $2500-3500 for draw bar tractors but restored and sharp looking. Ford 8N $1400. Massey Harris 33 $945.

Buy of the day. Small JD disk in its street cloths but nice shape only $157.50. I had to leave early or that would have brought more money. Usually those smaller 8-10 ft. disk bring $500 plus.

All in all I think there was a lot of cheap restored Iron here for the condition of a lot of it. Lloyd would have been better off selling this 4-5 years ago when I first heard him talking about it. I also think auctions at this time of the year are bad too. After harvest and well after school/vacation season for the general public, make for higher priced auctions. I think one of the best days is the Sat. after Thanksgiving for a Diverse collection. For pure farming equipment NEw Years works too.

https://bid.aumannauctions.com/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/18763/?page=1
Lloyd Welter Auction results

Some things brought good money but in some respects the bidding did not look out of the ordinary such as with the '64 4020. Every month there are getting to be fewer people out there that are interested in older tractors even when you are talking about 1960's and 1970's items. The 4455 at 40,000 dollars is just reflecting what is going on in the world versus an absence of a key would be buyer. My take on it anyhow. I was just looking at JD 630 tractors online last night and see where the 30 series 2 cylinders are coming down in price. It gives me hope because myself (and I would imagine many others) have no hope of buying a plain needs attention but runs 630 at 4,000 dollars plus.

that was interesting,,lots of nice tractors,things really went low for the most part.Is a JD H rarer than some of the others?

Looks like some good buys......the old wheel wts. brought good money.

Not so rare that having a trailer and a willingness to spend a weekend driving a few hundred miles will not find you a H. Even one with a rare configuration and options though that will be more of a challenge. Certainly not on the level of a Minneapolis Moline UDLX where it boils down to someone willing to part with one of only dozens known to exist which is not every day or every month for that matter.

NY 986: I agree with your comment that there are fewer guys wanting older tractors. I bleed Green but it is more newer Green, 70s and 80s. I started out on a JD "G". After 8-10 hours the "joy" of a hand clutch, manual steering, nosey,tractor is pretty much gone. A lot of these old tractors are physical to drive/use. If I fight a JD two cylinder around at a parade or show I am sore the next day. My body remembers all the stuff I did the last 50-60 years and reminds me NOT to do it anymore. LOL

Also to anyone other than a collector or small acreage guy the majority of them have zero value on a working farm today. I just posted the other day about how a JD 4020 is too small for even a large auger tractor these days. Years ago a neighbor had a JD 630 with three point and Power steering. At the time I thought that would be a wonderful tractor to own and use. Now I would not pay very much for one and even then I would not use it any.

I know this will make some fellas on here kind of mad but it is just the truth. Power steering, good brakes, live/independent PTOs are all standard on newer tractors for a reason. 70-80 years ago a farmer was stepping out from behind a team of horses. So just about anything that you could ride and not feed 365 was a heck of an improvement. The look back 40 years and you see all brands made their tractors easier to operate.

A lot seem reasonable enough if its what you want but not many there I'd of put another bid on.Seeming cheap and actually having someone there to shell out the cash is two different things.
Cheap if its someone else's money(LOL)

One thing to note is the 4455 has been out of production for over 25 years now. That means in quite a number of instances that for farmers who trade tractors on a regular basis their son who is early 20's or late teens never grew up with one so no emotional connection to such a tractor exists. As these younger people take over they will favor tractors much newer than a 25 year old tractor they never ran. Not surprised that an excellent 4455 is bringing considerably less than it did even 5 years ago.

Lots of cheap tractors. The prices are so low that the tires on some are worth more than the machine as a whole.

Ok, so you are a BTO & don't have a need or desire to own an real antique tractor, so what. I like them, in any color & an enjoy actual seat time doing what they were made for. If your life is too busy, or you don't enjoy it, that's ok. I know the values have gone down & may continue to go down, but I don't need to keep hearing about how useless they are. I've had a 630 since '66 & have 3 now, & there will be at least 3 here when I'm dead and gone. I have newer tractors that do the majority of the work, but anytime I can work one of the old tractors I will. That's how I roll & it works for me.

I wish I had a 630. Someday, hopefully.

I agree. I don’t collect them to make make money speculating or to earn a living farming with. For me it is an escape from a corporate day job where I can take a tractor down the field road and appreciate the tractor and those that had to farm for a living with them. Prices going down does not effect me negative maybe I’ll buy more..

No, the JD "H" is not rarer, it's just the smallest Waterloo build horizontal 2 cylinder John Deere. It's easy to store and transport being smaller, and it looks and sounds like a 2 cylinder. (Which it is).

(quoted from post at 16:25:49 09/09/18) Ok, so you are a BTO & don't have a need or desire to own an real antique tractor, so what. I like them, in any color & an enjoy actual seat time doing what they were made for. If your life is too busy, or you don't enjoy it, that's ok. I know the values have gone down & may continue to go down, but I don't need to keep hearing about how useless they are. I've had a 630 since '66 & have 3 now, & there will be at least 3 here when I'm dead and gone. I have newer tractors that do the majority of the work, but anytime I can work one of the old tractors I will. That's how I roll & it works for me.

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Most of these guys are worried about the declining values more than anything else. It's not that they don't enjoy it, it's the frustration of watching the value of something you paid way too much for, spent way too much on fixing up, melt away before your eyes.

Which is why the way I collect antique tractors is to only buy if its a bargain,do whatever to make it worth more without spending more than the improvement is worth and use it,enjoy it for awhile and then sell it before I've owned it too long when the opportunity comes a long.New tires and fancy high price paint jobs are usually sure losers on common tractors never get the money back on either one.

I did not say anything about being a BTO or not owning antique tractors. Your reading/assuming things that are not true. The point I was trying to make is that few of the tractors that sold on this sale will ever see real farm work again. Time, size and technology have passed them by. This fact is making the pool of potential buyers/collectors shrink even more. Than you add in the fact we are all aging makes even fewer buyers.

I am glad you own and enjoy using your JD tractor.

I own several that will never be sold. I just do not enjoy using them much anymore. Physically they are more "work" than I want/can do anymore. Example: Started and moved the Wife's JD tractor, Hand start. The next day my right shoulder hurt all day from cranking it. Then my left knee joined in the pain as I twisted it getting off the rear of the tractor. LOL