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larry@stinescorner

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I have an 8n,I dont use it much,I use the Ford 2000 instead.
I was helping my friend mow yesterday,,and had a thought. I would like to take the Ford 8n to his place with a brushog and the one bottom plow. Must of the time I use the finish mower and the two bottom plow with the 2000.
I dont want to sell the 8n,its not worth much these days.It would be handy at his place,,and I would be able to run it a bit and use it.He has no tractor there at all,so the 8n would be handy to plow his garden and mow the edges of the fields.Also,he has inside storage. He is a good friend and I Think I would enjoy getting the 8n doing something constructive instead of laying around.,,Any thoughts?
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Sounds like a win win win....You get to drive, your friend gets some work done and the little Ford gets appreciated!
Ben
 
Put it in writing that it is a loaned equipment. Serial number, photo condition from all sides, Conditions of their use of the tractor, and responsibilities they have, including insurance of a "stored" tractor. Sign and witness the signatures. Make sure he understands the reason for the formality is that either estate could change and create a problem of ownership beyond the two friends. I know you know it would never happen, but the tractor probably has no title and can get caught up in probate court easily. I have no doubt that the idea is a good fit. if you think this paper work would kill the idea, so be it. Jim
 
You sound like a good friend. I can see him smiling already. The amazing little ford 8N. What a remarkable tractor.
 
What JA said...My cousin had a buddy who had an engine building service. My cousin lent him a lot of scaffolding, and had 3 of his snowmobile engines there. The guy died suddenly, and Ron never got any of his stuff back. Plus, a guy I worked with had his 2 nice snowmobiles at his father in law's pole barn to be stored. They got stolen, and he found out his fil's insurance, nor his insurance covered them.
 
Sounds like a good idea to me too. I'd be ok with letting you bring it to me too ! except it would likely not get used here either.
There can always be a down side if something bad would happen , like insurance and liability these days. But as you said these things don't bring a lot of money anymore.
 
I see 3 wins, you, your friend, & the 8n.....go for it. Don't worry about contracts, witnesses, & all the crap some others have suggested. It would be an insult to your friend to go thru a bunch of legal paperwork. It's a GREAT idea...
 
I like your idea the best. Cover your B.... If good friends it is just a formality. The laws and lawers don't give a crap about a handshake.
 
Sounds to me like Larry is going to run it.Even if not,it probably wont get too many hours on it.Better than sitting around gathering dust.Larry is just being a good friend/neighbor. We need more guys like that.
 
With the discussions lately on the values of these kinds of tractors, I don't think it's necessary to get into any legal paperwork or documents with the tractor itself, however liability is something else again. You never know when or for what reason it can raise its ugly head.
 
It might be a great win-win or it could ruin a good friendship. Will it bother you when the normal scratches, dents, lack of oil changes, flat tires, leaky radiator and other damages start to happen or will that just be a chance to spend some more time together with your friend and the tractor? If you will expect your friend to take great care of it, there will be problems.

If you can think of it as only being worth $1,000 now and in ten years it may only be worth twice scrap value no matter what happens even if it just stays in locked your shed all that time, so why not enjoy it as much as you can, I think it can work for you.
 
I agree taking the tractor and equipment to your friends house is a good deal, I would suggest putting a permanent tag on each piece equipment that says "property of ......., just in case something happens down the road.

Rich
 
I'm another vote for being skeptical on this arrangement. Too bad that we can't just help people but as long as you own it you are liable for it. Liable whether he pulls off the toplink bracket and flips the tractor or if he drives down the road and causes an accident. People always take care of their own better than they do someone else's. Who pays for vandalism or burning up in a fire? I irritate my father when I have similar discussions about helping or involving outsiders but in my mind the first order of business is protect yourself legally and financially.
 
The negativity in some of these responses make me very sad. I don't disagree with them, just find them upsetting. Is this really what society has come to? Larry, it's you and a "good" friend. Nobody knows the relationship like you two. Have a discussion with him and go for it if you're comfortable.
 
It makes me sad as well. The trouble is entering into these kinds of relationships where property is shared is often the first step towards ending a friendship.
 
If he's trustworthy enough to do it on a handshake, do it. Forget all the legal-beagle paperwork- that in itself could ruin the friendship- and if he screws you, your only remedy is a lawsuit, and the equipment isn't worth enough to pay legal fees to sue over. As far as liability, too many jailhouse lawyers on here. For you to be liable, you would also have to be negligent, and I don't see much danger of that in just letting him use the tractor, so long as its in good condition to the best of your knowledge, and you show the guy how to use it.
 
I saw the other responses, only you know if it will work. I have had a couple friends that I would do something like that and not worry. From what I have seen you post I think it has possibilities.
 
I can see both sides of this discussion but if I had a friend that could use it that?s always been a dependable responsible person and had a place to store it and both of you could use it at his place then I would be all in on the matter. Some friends are more trustworthy than kinfolk
 
I agree with your thought. In your mind consider it a gift and call it gone. If you go and find it less than you expect shrug it off. Good friends are worth a lot more than than Ns.
 
The trouble is you and I don't get to decide negligence if things go to court. If the friend has an accident on the road and the other party is seriously hurt the plaintiff's lawyer will discover the driver did not own the tractor and subsequently name the tractor's owner in a lawsuit. Just the way things work. Then it is up to the judge or jury to decide if the owner can truly be held responsible. The tractor owner could be relieved of any responsibility in the matter or be put through the court. I know of a couple of former farmers who still might have their places if they had been more protective of things. One guy was pretty much left with the clothes he was wearing at the courthouse when the lawyers got done. Sorry to be so negative.
 
In response to the just do it folks. If I were to become mentally incompetant, or die, the things I have loaned, or that people have loaned me (None I think) would be in contest as to ownership. Nothing gets nastier than siblings fighting over stuff they think is theirs. A friendship depends on trust. I have doubts when the friendship must extend to people that moved out of state in 1978, and have a stake in the stuff in the barn they think id theirs. It is just prudent. Jim
 
Mark ..... I hear what you're saying but there is a difference between negativity and reality. Those hedging on going through with the plan are just exposing the possibilities that can/could happen.
 
If thats what you want to do you should do it, he must be a real good friend and person or you wouldn't even be considering it, regardless of what does or doesn't happen to the tractor its not gonna break you or materially affect the value of your estate anyway. The way I look at it anyone that you need to draw up a contract with to use a 65 year old tractor I would not fool with to start with.
 
Probably the best way to do it if he goes ahead on it. If the friend chooses he can gift it back if he passes or hits some other obstacle in life. Just consider the tractor gone once in the friend's possession.
 
Doesn't take much to loose a friend now days. Freiends beak up over who they voted for.What if a tire blows out, or it needs a battery. Doubt if your friend wants to spend money on a tractor he Doesn't own. What about a fire or someone steals it,not to mention liabilty if he gets hurt.
 
Go for it! Tune out the nay-sayers. We don't get to Heaven on good works, but your Christianity sure is showing!
 
I would like to say thank you to everyone for all the responses.
I know it is an idea that could be complicated in many ways. I can answer some of the questions ,but maybe not all.
I really dont care if I get the tractor back,,it would be going to a good home.My daughter is not interested in the tractor and is fine with whatever I do with it as long as Im happy.My wife feels the same way.
If I were to die,,it would probably bring 1000 dollars at a sale,,that would not make me happy.I usually have to buy a new 6 volt battery every two years ,because of such little use.So if it needed a battery,I would be buying one anyway. The tires are good,I dont for see any problems,and if it blows up,,it would have at home anyway.
I would be using it mostly,and it would make me happy to see it being needed again.If it broke down on my place,my friend would help me fix it,he has done so already in the past,so if it broke down,He would fix it,I would help,,and maybe learn some.He is a handy mechanic,I am not.I know it would make me happy to run the 8n and know it was needed for some work around his property.
I cant really answer about the suing thing,I know it is todays reality,,,but,,I would have been moping around my house feeling sorry.He came,got me,,we went and did stuff at his property.It helped make me mentally well again.He didnt make me sign any papers before I got in his truck,,he just helped me.How can I ask him to sign papers?
Im not denying that the legal advice is a good idea,,its just a shame what has happened in our world with suing/lawyers etc.
.Im almost 63,,cut lawns when I was 12,drove trucks when bales were being thrown onto the truck off the field.I could hardly reach the pedals.But you better drive smooth or youll be out rolling bales into bunches to pick up,,lol-
In the eight grade we all got working papers,,you could work just about anywhere,,The kids and people of today loose out on so much because of liabilty and possible suing.
Its gotten so bad you have to think maybe you cant do something to help someone.I understand it is todays reality,,but it is a real shame.
Thats maybe why things arent so good to find good help?You cant hire till someones 18?Then they have no experience,,but want full pay?
Its a real shame the way things have turned do to suing,,,my 02 cents ,, lol
 
Go with your gut instinct, a friend is not a friend if they cannot be trusted, he is or he is not and I vote the former. Handshake deal, if something happens to you, it gets sold, he's got first shot, the money goes to your family and someone gets a nice 8N,

Meanwhile, keep getting out there and doing things, there is nothing better and certainly a lot better than a year ago.
I don't post as much, but have enjoyed your photos, knowing you are out about being Larry !

Also have to admit, LOL I'm almost envious of that new building your friend put up, I've got land but no out buildings 'cept an old milk house that I will start to restore this fall.
 
Wow! I have a couple friends I wouldn't even have to think about it. It would be a win for everyone. Only you know your friend. If you are comfortable with it go for it!! I think it's a great idea. For the record I would bring my Ford to Larry's farm and let him use it!!
 
Hes not a farmer ,but intends to use the building for his trucks and branch out with his concrete lifting business.that's why he had the high door openings.
He is a good friend we started out working together on commercial jobs,many years ago,,then he started his own business .
I helped him raise the first sidewalk he ever did.We did it in the neighborhood for free so everyone could see it.
He also had a show at the ELKS hall,,raised their sunken front porch for free..and had food and refreshments for a crowd to see the results in live action.
From their he built a website and the business grew.He created his own franchise and their is a Concrete Chiropractor on its own in another area.

My idea was sort of more for me,,than him,,he could buy his own tractor,,I Just would be happy using tha 8n and puttering around his place with it,,and storing it inside..more seat time for me? lol
 
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