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Look at a package of any food these days and there is a whole list of things on the label but no where does it list what chemical residues are in the food? Seems only reasonable
that it would list chemical residues so consumers could make a decision on whether they wanted a food item with these residues or not.
 
How would you know the label was true? I see items advertised as organic in the stores. No idea if the label is true. So therein lies the problem, what is true? Who do you trust?
 
Organic is tested all the time for chemical residue and GMO contamination.So you don't trust gov't testing? I guess you question the gov't testing and saying Roundup is safe?
 
The only testing that I don't question is testing I do personally. Too many magicians running around these days.
 
(quoted from post at 11:17:45 08/16/18)[u:edd24e6706] Organic is tested all the time[/u:edd24e6706] for chemical residue and GMO contamination.So you don't trust gov't testing? I guess you question the gov't testing and saying Roundup is safe?
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By whom?
 
The residues aren?t on there Is why . Where on organic food is the label that says this food more weeds than crop ? The meat is diseased because we can?t use vaccines to treat it ?
 
I do the food safety program at our plant and I can tell you people have no idea on what is legally allowed in food by the USDA and FDA. Its not just pesticides and similar chemicals. There rules around insect parts, rodent feces allowed, what is adulteration and what is not and many other items. A lot of it is based on the technology to prevent it to begin with. An example is cherry pits - USDA allows a certain number of pits per amount of IQF cherries because there is no technology that can eliminate every one. You know what happens when you bit into one. If people did know everything in food they wouldn't eat anything ever again. If you put all this stuff on labels there would be nothing but law suits even if what was on the label was legal.
 
I buy some organic grains sometimes and I don't see anything else in with the grain.BTW I haven't nnalert my cows or goats in about 20 years and I'll put their health up against anyone's
herd,I have some cows over 20 years old too.
 
If anybody took the time to learn about agriculture and gmo . Organic wouldn?t be a thing except for maybe the hippies . He says we don?t trust the government when if comes to organic but he doesn?t trust the government when it comes to conventional sounds like a abundant bunch of bs to me we can?t trust you but your an idiot if you don?t believe or trust us
 
Oh but the weed and manure residues are there . You can?t see roundup residue either . So you?ve never ever had a cow get sick bull crap 💩 and when it does you just let it die because that?s all you can do I guess you could give her some chicken noodle scoop
 
So what is it I'm selling and not being truthful about? I don't sell anything and claim it to be anything one way or the other.I do sell some calves to people that want calves that have never had grain
that's an easy one I never feed beef cattle grain.
 
Well he can't do that now. There might be Roundup residue in the grain used to make the noodles.
 
I'd say the people that want Non GMO and organic are just as or a lot more educated on the subject than you are.Anyway its a personal preference you not going to change it by calling them names that is for sure.
 
(quoted from post at 14:57:00 08/16/18) Look at a package of any food these days and there is a whole list of things on the label but no where does it list what chemical residues are in the food? Seems only reasonable
that it would list chemical residues so consumers could make a decision on whether they wanted a food item with these residues or not.
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Would the chemical residues include the oil that dips off of your tractors and implements? I don't even want to hear that your equipment does not have an oil drip here or there. How can you stomach telling people that you have organic produce when just about all equipment has a drip of oil here or there coming off it.
 
Everything you say is a lie . Organic is the only safe food that?s a lie right there . And will bet you have never ever taken one class about gmo and how it works have you ? And most if not all of your organic groupies have either and 99% of them have never ever spent a day or even ten minuets on a farm .
 
I'm not saying I wouldn't give an antibiotic if a cow or calf was sick or injured but I can't remember the last time I had to its been years.I do keep antibiotic on hand but rarely use it and always about full when it goes out of date.My cows do have good pasture,plenty of area to roam,lots of shade trees and have about zero stress on them.Plus I rarely move an outside animal into the herd and quarantine for a while before letting it in with the herd.Also no neighbors with cattle so there is no outside contact with other herds makes a big difference.I'll say my cows ain't the prettiest around as they are mixed breeds but I'll put their health up against any.
 
I hate to burst your little bubble but EVERYTHING you grow is "genetically modified", it was just done by selective breeding rather than an in lab shortcut. Even "heritage" varieties are not the original wild plant. And if you don't want GMO then you better not ever need insulin because the original method of getting it from hog pancreas' isn't used anymore, nor things like anti rejection drugs so your new kidney keeps you alive, etc. etc.
 
Amen to that... LOL

I worked in a canning company the summer after high school...
Worked on a shaker table - job was to grab the "crud" out of the produce as it vibrated past ya...
Many parts of mice and bugs are edible, I guess - cuz some undoubtedly DID get canned. LOL
 
(quoted from post at 16:45:58 08/16/18) I'm not saying I wouldn't give an antibiotic if a cow or calf was sick or injured but I can't remember the last time I had to its been years.I do keep antibiotic on hand but rarely use it and always about full when it goes out of date.My cows do have good pasture,plenty of area to roam,lots of shade trees and have about zero stress on them.Plus I rarely move an outside animal into the herd and quarantine for a while before letting it in with the herd.Also no neighbors with cattle so there is no outside contact with other herds makes a big difference.I'll say my cows ain't the prettiest around as they are mixed breeds but I'll put their health up against any.
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In-Breeding is the original GMO.
That's explains a lot.
 
Especially with the hand picked foods - you don't see hand wash sinks at the edge of the field. Even if you did the Mexicans picking never heard of washing their hands before handling food anyway.
 
Yes like engineering bacteria to grow insulin so people can afford to live instead of relying in hog pancreas'. My point was that the "modify" in the LABEL of GMO applies to your selectively bred lines as well.
 
Things are done in a lab these days that would never happen in nature


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And thank God for that. Never seen a cure for Polio or scarlet fever growing in nature either.
 

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I listened to a radio progam probably 40 years ago. They has chemical scientist on that told of the chemicals in our food that was naturally there. One that stuck in my mind was that raspberries contained a deadly form of dioxin. He said you probably could not eat enough raspberries in you lifetime to do any harm.
The human body and all animals are made up of chemicals. Personally I am not concerned about chemicals in what food I eat. If the food tastes good I eat it.
 
Im not a farmer,,and Im not sure I can say this,,but shouldn't all farmers whether they are organic or not be united? Its not good to be enemies,,theres got to be a way to stand tall and say,,Im a farmer . Any farming is tough,,and everyone should be proud to be a farmer!
 
Why are some people so uptight about a label? Most of the people will keep on eating GMO even if it is labeled. Cigarettes are labeled, and yet people still smoke. Put a label on and let people make their choice, this is supposed to be America.
 
Im not a farmer,,and Im not sure I can say this,,but shouldn't all farmers whether they are organic or not be united? Its not good to be enemies,,there's got to be a way to stand tall and say,,Im a farmer . Any farming is tough,,and everyone should be proud to be a farmer and,,everyone should be proud to know a hard working farmer!
 

If you are selectively breeding two animals together because you are looking for a specific trait how is that not a GMO? Are you not trying to control the out come? Are you not trying to manipulate the organisms of these two specific animals to create a better, stronger, and more desirable animal by your standards? Because you do not wear a white coat and work in a science lab, its not classified as a GMO?

If this was a natural conception, maybe the bull of a lesser trait would be the sire. Maybe a bull of a different breed would be the sire. So by selectively breeding, how is that not a GMO?
By the way, this has been going on for thousands of years and all of a sudden its an issue.
 
Wouldn't argue with you at all if some people didn't brag constantly about how they make money perpetuating the myth that what I grow is gonna kill somebody. They don't have to come right out and say it,all they have to do is say they're "just giving the customers what they want.". So do ladies of the evening and drug dealers. They know that what their customers believe is wrong,but they won't speak up and even utter one syllable to correct their misunderstanding.
 
Yes it is. There may be something to the claim that gmo is not the same as selective breeding tho since its done in a lab. But any breeding except that between identical twins is genetically modifying.
 
My favorite GMO story is the first I ever heard, many years ago
As we all know strawberries bloom early and are often hit by a frost and kills a lot of the crop.
The Atlantic flounder has a gene that allows it to thrive in cold water.

That gene was spliced to a strawberry gene to develop a cold-resistance berry

I'm neutral in GMO discussion, I'll listen to both side and make up my mind.

But, the above is far removed from selective breeding and a perfect example of a good GMO IMO
 
Selective breeding is not gmo, no matter how many times you say it. The DNA is not modified by selective breeding. The DNA is what God put there in the first place in selective breeding.
 
RNDY ...... there are hundreds of bogus graphs, photos, and dialogue statements floating around on the web, done to prove a point of course but remember it's just a bunch of lines and colors and numbers to suit whoever it is who made it up. And of course, the sources might be legitimate labs but it doesn't necessarily mean the graph represents the research organizations findings. I think one crazy fella calls it fake news or something like that .... ha! This one is too simple to believe.
 
my point exactly is that anyone can make there point using actual facts and then twist them around to prove their point. in my yrs on this planet i feel i am very open minded. but one thing that really turns me off is cutting down and using false and unproven scare tactics for there own benefit and the Organic cult are the masters of that.
 
GMO manipulation would be not breeding 2 breeds of cattle but combining a cow with say a goat. 2 different type of animals that could not mate. Now breeding a dairy cow and a beef cow are same type of animal so they will breed naturaly and is just called crossbreeding. No GMO there. Now the cow and goat would be as that cannot happen in nature.
 
Agreed. Changing DNA is what gave rise to black and white cows that give 5 gallon of milk a day - and that was a thousand - fifteen hundred years ago. Ear corn (a grass) is the result of genetics mutations bred into the original plants thousands of years go to change it from a loose pod (like wheat) to varieties that we see today. Don't like it get mad at the ancient Aztecs for changing the DNA of grass.
 
(quoted from post at 16:32:40 08/16/18) GMO manipulation would be not breeding 2 breeds of cattle but combining a cow with say a goat. 2 different type of animals that could not mate. Now breeding a dairy cow and a beef cow are same type of animal so they will breed naturaly and is just called crossbreeding. No GMO there. Now the cow and goat would be as that cannot happen in nature.
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Everytime a pair of animal breed, there is genetic modifications taking place. In this case two sets of dna are combined to create the new dna.


You can call it anything you want, but genetics are modified by the bindings of the two different dna strings.

Yes it is different than a lab, but it is still modification of dna string. Sometimes dna can be damaged and trigger a host of problems or diseases. Selective breeding of plants and animals has happened for about as long as mankind has been around. AND>>>>>> if you believe in darwin, it was selective breeding and dna modifications that created mankind. The bees pollinating plants is about as random of genetics as one can get. So thats a LOT of dna modification.
 
Not true. It's the same DNA that God put in Adam and Eve. Course maybe you believe in evolution. No new DNA has been created, it's just combined differently by breeding. I don't see how anyone could believe in evolution.
 
Call it New or just re-mixed, it's the same thing. Do it in the lab or in nature it's the same thing, whether you believe in evolution or not.
 
1) Anyone that thinks Lab GMO and selective breeding is the same thing needs to study genetics better.


2) Anyone that thinks there is no way the chemicals used on our food is not harming us needs to rethink their position.
While we may not be able to prove it today with science we have been wrong in the past.
Look at smoking; and DDT. Both were thought harmless years ago.
 
Jon, you are simply WRONG. Selective breeding is between compatible animals. GMO is taking DNA from totally non-compatible life forms and combining them to develop desirable traits - hopefully.
Taking DNA from a fish, bird, lizard, or even a poison ivy plant and splicing it into a corn embryo or a chicken embryo is a completely different thing than cross breeding a couple of beef cattle to get a better meat.
Most hybridization takes place at experimental farms - not laboratories for the most part. And successful hybrids come out of years of testing and experimentation.

GMO takes place in a lab under controlled conditions. Where the problem lies is in the potential side effects. The scientists simply do not fully understand every part of the DNA sequence and what it affects overall. The plants or animals that had had gene splicing may develop desirable characteristics, but may also be adversely affected in other ways. Like a GMO wheat may be harder to digest. Or it may contain harmful components that did not exist prior to gene splicing. Personally, I feel that GMO products should be thoroughly tested for potential long term problems.

By no stretch of the imagination is gene splicing the same thing as cross breeding. You can say it is as many times as you like, but it just isn't so.
 
Genetic Modified Organizims means that they splice a piece of DNA or RNA from a different animal or plant and this changes the animal or plant to a different species from what God made. Wheather this is good or bad in the long run remains to be seen. Already there have been problems with the E coli bacteria they have created. They use the E coli bacteria to cut the DNA so they can splice in something different. The problem is, this E coli bacteria has been made super strong and it has gotten out of the labs and that is what has caused these outbeaks that has made people sick and even killed some. Everyone has E coli in their gut of the normal kind. Anyway that's my opinion, you are welcome to yours.
 
You have now crossed into forbidden terrritory by bringing in religion. But I'll ask this, what makes you think you know what gods plan is? Whouldnt it be likely that god gave the scientists this technology so they could feed the hungry? That is gods way, and at least as likely as his creating the next "great flood" through gmo's. I'm done now since religion is forbidden on this site.
 
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