Our neighbours lease a Challanger from our local dealer. The lease is up and they decided they wanted to replace it with a bigge one (180 hp) with a loader in Massey colors. They ordered it in March and was told they can expect mid-late July delivery. They were told the other day that the plant that makes that model is at full production and they're selling so many that it'll be end of September at the earliest now before they'll see it. Our 13 store Deere dealer really needs to up their game on parts inventory and service. Lots of customers getting fed up waiting sometimes weeks for what would be considered common should have parts by other dealers and poor service. A good friend has been breathing and eating green for close to 40 years is so fed up he ordered a 151 hp Kubota to replace a Deere and if he likes it he's likely going to replace his fleet of 200+ hp ones with either the M8's coming out or Newhollands that the dealer also carries.
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BarnyardEngineering
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I'm not surprised. Massey is the only "mainstream" brand that Agco has in the USA. People are going to go with what's familiar.
AGCO is still headquartered in Duluth GA so that probably gets then around some if the import tariffs. They also have a Massey plant in
Kansas or Nebraska last I knew so quite a few ot the tractors for the US market are built here, while the rest are built in France and England.
As for the parts, every company including mother Deere outsources parts manufacturing to their outlying foreign plants so that doesn't mean
anything.
Kansas or Nebraska last I knew so quite a few ot the tractors for the US market are built here, while the rest are built in France and England.
As for the parts, every company including mother Deere outsources parts manufacturing to their outlying foreign plants so that doesn't mean
anything.
BINGO! Here our not so local AGCO dealer has a lot of trouble with parts. Seems that his computer is broke or something cause a surprising number of parts are NLA. That is until you look them up yourself and take them the part number. Then magically their computer will find them.
Out local JD dealer has pretty decent parts. CaseIH is good too. Just AGCO that's a problem.
Rick
Major parts, engines, transmissions, major castings Deere makes in the USA, small stuff comes from the lowest bidder from off shore. I bet everything you touch in a tractor, combine, sprayer, or self propelled chopper is imported.
Last I heard Deere was having terrible problems getting parts, domestic or imported, and their parts warehouse is too busy shipping stuff to the production plants to keep production running, no time to ship to dealers.
Being an assembler at Deere has been a part-time job so far this year!
Deere dealer's lots were absolutely full of equipment 2 years ago when the UAW contract was going to expire. Both ag, construction, and lawn & garden. Now the lots at the plants are filling up with machines missing parts.
Last I heard Deere was having terrible problems getting parts, domestic or imported, and their parts warehouse is too busy shipping stuff to the production plants to keep production running, no time to ship to dealers.
Being an assembler at Deere has been a part-time job so far this year!
Deere dealer's lots were absolutely full of equipment 2 years ago when the UAW contract was going to expire. Both ag, construction, and lawn & garden. Now the lots at the plants are filling up with machines missing parts.
Welp, competition is good but from where I am sitting Deere is far from bering on the run. Got to drive over an hour in any direction to hit an established AGCO dealer around here which means driving past a couple CIH, NH, or Deere locations. Also, as I understand it CNH and Deere have adjusted their production where if you want it for spring of 2019 you had best be talking to your dealer TODAY about it. Does not mean the factory is running like gang busters but rather a tight lid has been placed on labor and inventory. I won't criticize somebody's parts experience here because I was not there to see it but having worked parts people expected suppliers to have parts that have a once in several year turn sitting on will-call. It might have been common when that given machine was much closer to new and there were many more in the field raising the chance somebody will come calling for a part in season but 40, 50, or more years since being new means collecting dust in the parts bin.
don't understand deere's thinking with the mega dealers. i'm not sure how far you have to drive here to find a different company but i'm guessing probably 50 miles maybe more. same outfit on both sides of the state line.
one local guy couldn't deal with the mega deere dealer and had a tractor (mid sized deere) shipped from Georgia and saved 20,000 with the extra shipping.
the mega stores around here all look like the front of a cabela's store with tractors (not many) out front.
I've noticed very equipment sitting out on the lots at the mega dealers.
our local CNH dealer changed names. don't know if bought out or just a name change. still only 3 stores. they don't have a lot of equipment sitting around either.
one local Kubota dealer retired (sold property to mega RV company) and sold the business but kubota would not let anyone buy the franchise. another local kubota dealer (12 miles) was forced off a local county road and had to move to a US highway. he had a ton of equipment stilling around this spring and still has some. tractors (small/med and large) as well as quite a bit of kubota hay equipment. his parts prices on stihl and toro/wheelhorse stuff has gotten crazy as well. i try to buy local but i could get a set a factory blades and belt shipped for his price on just the belt. a few bucks is one thing and i'd buy from him but i couldn't give him an extra $40+ for being there.
one local guy couldn't deal with the mega deere dealer and had a tractor (mid sized deere) shipped from Georgia and saved 20,000 with the extra shipping.
the mega stores around here all look like the front of a cabela's store with tractors (not many) out front.
I've noticed very equipment sitting out on the lots at the mega dealers.
our local CNH dealer changed names. don't know if bought out or just a name change. still only 3 stores. they don't have a lot of equipment sitting around either.
one local Kubota dealer retired (sold property to mega RV company) and sold the business but kubota would not let anyone buy the franchise. another local kubota dealer (12 miles) was forced off a local county road and had to move to a US highway. he had a ton of equipment stilling around this spring and still has some. tractors (small/med and large) as well as quite a bit of kubota hay equipment. his parts prices on stihl and toro/wheelhorse stuff has gotten crazy as well. i try to buy local but i could get a set a factory blades and belt shipped for his price on just the belt. a few bucks is one thing and i'd buy from him but i couldn't give him an extra $40+ for being there.
David Snipes
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Dealers aren't what they used to be. The local John Deere mega dealer in Spokane has monopolized most of Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho. They are very reluctant to bargain, when I try it, they act like I'm asking for a kidney. They have no incentive because they've monopolized the area. I would have to go to Montana to find competition, which I finally did for a new baler and I saved $3000.00. I contacted the local Kubota dealer, who used to be great. The owner of 40 years has retired and the new people hardly know anything about Kubotas. I'm just going to keep my old stuff.
Bruce from Can.
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- Woodville, Ontario, Canada
I have CaseIH , NewHolland , JD , Massey ,Kubota, Belarus, and Mckormick, all within 30 minuets drive CaseIH and JD are the choice of most cash crop farmers, and some dairy guys are still faithful to the old brand names. The times they are a changing though. Dairy farmers are starting to buy Kubota tractors and equipment, while others are going father distance and buying Fendt. Massey always has had a following, but it isn?t really setting the woods on fire
Philip; That is kind of funny. I know two fellows that work in that MF plant. A pretty good portion of the workers are on lay off until early fall. Maybe even longer. The fellows I know are in the engineering department so they should have a pretty good handle on it.
I am betting MF adjusted production down just like CNH and JD has done. No major company is going to build inventory very high in a time with low commodity prices. SO your going to be waiting on new tractors as long as you would in a boom time. Sales guys like to blow smoke that makes their brand/line sound better.
I really do not know of any country with a booming Ad sector tight now. So I really do not see many of this size tractor being exported either.
I am betting MF adjusted production down just like CNH and JD has done. No major company is going to build inventory very high in a time with low commodity prices. SO your going to be waiting on new tractors as long as you would in a boom time. Sales guys like to blow smoke that makes their brand/line sound better.
I really do not know of any country with a booming Ad sector tight now. So I really do not see many of this size tractor being exported either.
MF running full tilt with production is in part what did them in during the 1970's. Kind of hard to make price for a dealer when equipment is pouring out of the factories. Somewhat related is I remember Chrysler stacking unsold inventory at the Michigan State Fairgrounds back in the mid-1970's. Quite a few cars had to be brought into dealer shops to fix problems related to sitting for months such as dead batteries before they could go on the sales lot. Chrysler had plenty of problems without that boondoggle.
I think you hit the old nail on the head.
I really doubt that AGCO is going to take over for Deere and I'm not a big Deere fan. Besides, if I were in the market for a new piece of equipment someone bad mouthing one company over another isn't going to change my mind. Heck with the situation here in my local area you have a good Deere, Kubota and CaseIH dealer. Really poor AGCO dealer that's kinda far away. Now do you think I'm about to switch?
Rick
You likely hit the nail on the head there JD. There's not many on their yard and they likeky did tell him that to make him feel good. There's not that many Massey's in our area so I can't say for sure one way or the other. In these parts it's mostly either Deere or NewHolland with more and more Kubota showing up. I do know most people are very fed up at the Deere mega stores parts and service department. It's a shame because Deere does make a good product.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
Local dealer Ridgeview New Holland also sells Massey Ferguson has a whole bunch of new ones on the lot of all sizes,was down there last week picking up an Allis Chalmers trade in from them.
Needs a motor but I'd rather have that AC D17 Series IV than pay the bucks for their new ones or one from the Kubota place next door or a New JD from across the road(LOL)
Needs a motor but I'd rather have that AC D17 Series IV than pay the bucks for their new ones or one from the Kubota place next door or a New JD from across the road(LOL)
Certainly not going to say it is not true but sure sounds fishy to me. Considering that the entire ag. market is flat and Masseys market share. Three state area that I watch (Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama) Massey only had 13% of the total market. Well behind JD, Kubota, Ford Nh IH . I would say the dealer might be trying to make the guy feel good for buying the Massey.
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