Bob Harvey
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Just saw a u-tube deal on 'Amish Sawmill'. I thought those folks didn't do engines/motors. I expected to see horses walking around, a water wheel or a bunch of folks in a squirrel cage - nope.
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Phil in Pa
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My current concrete flatwork contractor is an Amish outfit. State of the art ride-on troweling machines, the works. They just don't drive on the road themselves, always have an English driver.
johnofnewhaven
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A lot of things can be used/owned for business purpose but not personal use.
Zachary Hoyt
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Our local Amish here are allowed to have stationary internal combustion engines, but no electric motors and no self-propelled motorized machines.
Zach
Zach
Traditional Farmer
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- Location
- Virginia
All depends on what the elders in their group decide,I had an Amish fellow from New Holland PA drop off an Oliver motor last week driving a new Dodge diesel truck.
Mike(NEOhio)
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- Newbury, Ohio
Around here they us enginge powered forecarts to pull haybines and balers. And I see a lot of cel phones and solar panels, too.
As mentioned, it's usually what the local council of elders will allow, and it's no secret nor hardly a surprise that many are allowing more and more over the last number of years. Cell phones, cordless tools, generators, stationary engines or even steel-tired tractors or crawlers, steam engines (in some areas the Amish are the go-to experts at repairing and rebuilding steam setups) solar and wind power, etc. etc. are all used by the Amish in some areas, depending on what's permissible.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
The guy that delivered the motor is Amish not Mennonite,on the other hand there are Old Order Mennonites around Dayton VA that use only horses and horse equipment.No electricity in their
houses.
houses.
Jim in rush co
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- Rush Co. Indiana
The Amish got started around Rush and Decatur counties in Indiana late 1960 early 70s. We had them saw a lot of logs for us thru the 70s and 80s. Gas engines on mill and would borrow the neighbors tractor with loader to load logs on carriage. One had a mill on a hillside so he could skid uphill with horses and roll downhill to timbers at carriage height and roll them on, but still had big V8 on the mill.
The amish built all my cabinets and wood work when I built my house. The office had some sort of gas lights but he also had a fax and blue print copy machine! The shop had all modern machinery but was powered by an old Cummins H engine with a generator. When we found out I worked for Cummins he showed me the set up, there was also a kubota tractor and alot of guns in the shop.
Jim in rush co
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- Rush Co. Indiana
The first time we went to them about sawing for us they took us in their kitchen, they had made their cabinets out of Sycamore and looked real nice. Yes the shoe store still there, buy my Red Wings there. May run and get a new pair before the show.
Farmer Ron
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Pneumatics are also used a lot in shop tools instead of electric by both Amish and Mennonite. I saw a ceiling fan powered by a little pneumatic motor in an Amish office. The Amish crew that built our barn had a table saw with a Honda small engine instead of a electric motor.
Farmer Ron
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gene bender
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No the two groups do not dress alike. The Mennonites dress modern I live where both are presenent its also the largest Old Order Amish group west of the Mississippi
Jim in rush co
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- Rush Co. Indiana
When I built my house in 91 I had the Amish frame it they used my electric with no problem. Also ran 200 ft of hose from my compressor in barn for air.
Farmer Ron
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Also some orders of Amish and old order Mennonite ride bicycles, even in a driving rain. Also have hybrid cross between a bicycle and a razor scooter.
Jim in rush co
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- Location
- Rush Co. Indiana
The ones that framed my house had a telephone in a chicken house a good ways away from their house. I had phone in barn and they used it a lot.
Goose
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There's a big difference between various orders.
I live near a Mennonite community, although it's rather diluted now from what it was when I was a kid. The men dress and groom themselves the same as the rest of us. The women wear only dresses and skirts, no jewelry beyond a wrist watch, no makeup, and always wear a small "doily" type of hat on the back of their head. Other than that, they live like the rest of us.
It caused quite a stir some 50 years ago when a Mennonite gal I worked with married a Catholic Bohemian guy I also knew. But--they made a go of it and are still happily married. But, this gal was liberalized. I recall one day at work someone commented they they'd seen her at a movie. She immediately put her finger to her lips and pointed at another Mennonite gal across the room. She didn't want the other gal to know she'd been to a movie.
I live near a Mennonite community, although it's rather diluted now from what it was when I was a kid. The men dress and groom themselves the same as the rest of us. The women wear only dresses and skirts, no jewelry beyond a wrist watch, no makeup, and always wear a small "doily" type of hat on the back of their head. Other than that, they live like the rest of us.
It caused quite a stir some 50 years ago when a Mennonite gal I worked with married a Catholic Bohemian guy I also knew. But--they made a go of it and are still happily married. But, this gal was liberalized. I recall one day at work someone commented they they'd seen her at a movie. She immediately put her finger to her lips and pointed at another Mennonite gal across the room. She didn't want the other gal to know she'd been to a movie.
olgentdc
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Around These parts of Indiana ,we could RE LEARN alot by watching and interacting with the Amish ,.. Who Knows We Just Might SAVE RURAL America 's Culture. and society
farmerjohn
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There was a family near here, they would not have a phone in the house, but they had a phone booth at the edge of the yard. Now days they all have cell phones.
Frank(Mi.)
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Agree, I think a lot of their lifestyle is decided by local mutual consensus. Was at an auction sale earlier this spring. One of the sale items was a three pak of electric extension cords and the winning bidder was Amish!...I looked at the Wife like What the Heck??
Crazy Horse
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"Sort of" along the same topic is a question that my friend asked me a number of years ago. It went something like this ..... How are Hutterites different than Mennonites? I didn't have a clue but his answer was that Hutterites never wave to each other in the liquor store. Now make my day and tell me that's funny.
The biggest thing they are against is modern conveniences and they all differ from one community to the next but there goal is to live a simple life so they can put most of there focus on God and not worldly things. I seen one of the most testimony of patience I have seen last Friday. We had stoped to visit a cousin and her son in law was going into there home to take his lunch break (a lot of places have 2 houses on the property and one of the children will buy the property and help take care of the aging parents) I ask him how it was going and he told me he was running behind that he was wanting to be done by noon but they still had to load 2 orders of cabinets on a truck so I told him I would come out after lunch to help him. So after lunch went out to help him and one of the boys went to put a drawer in a cabinet that had fit before and after they had put a hinge on to put the door on the hinge was in the way of putting the drawer in. I could not believe the calmness that I witness as the son and father where trying to come up with a solution they came up with 4 or 5 ideas but the other one would point out another problem it would create the drawer was 7 or 8 inches deep they finally decided to cut 15/8 inch off and refinish the drawer and that solve the problem I would have been madder then a hornet if that would have happened to me
olgentdc
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Patience ,My Son ,, Never met a amish family that were not ther type of people i wish i could be ,,.. but that is just me .
I work with the Amish on a regular bassis. The power tools they use at work belong to their driver, not them. Among many other things I have found and gotton for them over the years is table saws that are belt driven to put the gas engine on, same with Maytag washing machines as they are the only wringer washer that parts are avaible and belt driven so can have the gas engine hooked up. I don't know how many dozens of steel wheel hay rakes I have furnished them over the years. along with other machinery. And I have been the driver many a time. Never saw an Amish baby cry. And one of my friends is as I understand the bishop. They do not use tractors or forecarts with engines. For belt powered equipment they have an engine mounted on a wagon gear. And they try to watch for traffic very well. For rubber tired equipment they are required to convert to steel in 2 years but it is not enforced. And they do not own the cell phones they use but their drivers own them. They are now using solar powered fence chargers. The phone that sets in a little building is usually a pay phone owned by the phone company. Many of their neighbors will have a phone in the barn for them to use. They will usually leave a bit of change to help pay for cost of the phone. I don't know how the one friend that has a big mechanery repair bussiness and builds new machinery is running multiple arc welders 12 hours a day. But he still has the hanging lamps in bussiness. They about all are using the small head mounted battery powers lights now. And they even hired a driver to bring then the 50 mile to the funeral visitation for my wife 3 years ago. And I had mennonite friends as well. He owned the local lumber yard. And was the founder of the local 2 cylinder club but he would not have a meeting on Sunday, always on a saturday. So I do know the difference.
rustyfarmall
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I have seen a ceiling fan in a store, powered by a wind turbine mounted on the roof.
I think all of the anabaptists have followers that fall along the whole spectrum of technology use. I work with a Mennonite who is a computer scientist and lives a life with all the modern conveniences, but then I live near some who are strictly horse and carriage. I'm not sure what factors determine how you live as an anabaptist.
Gary Mitchell
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An area I used to peddle freight in, (Rich Hill, MO.), had a rural Amish community and I would occasionally have a delivery for one or the other of them. It was interesting and sometimes challenging to locate a customer you couldn't call on the phone. Another issue was lack of gravel on drive/entry ways that I had to back a 28" pup, (or bigger), and Freight Liner up, a problem when it was wet. A plus was when you came into the area, everyone came running so there wasn't ever a time that I couldn't get someone to unload and sign for delivery. This particular bunch had a harness and sorghum making business that shipped all over. One time they got half a pup load of rope and units of kd boxes. It also came COD, which concerned me a little, but the head man pulled a roll of cash out of his coat and pealed off several hundred $ that I had to worry about the rest of the day. They had me stand back while they attacked the load and had it off in no time flat. Their horses? I've passed buggy's on narrow black-tops pulling a set of trailers and they'd never shy in the least.
There were also quite a few Mennonites in the Butler, MO. area. They all had modern machinery. About the only similarity I saw between them and the Amish was that the women all wore the same sort of garb, just more colorful, and the guys all had beards. I think the Mennonites were pretty patriarchal. You would see a couple and she would be dressed in her stock dress and bonnet. They might be going down the road in the man's p/u truck with a CB antenna. He's likely have on a ball cap and regular duds. The thing I noticed most about them is when going to their farms you'd see huge, nice machine sheds, barns, and other nice out buildings and an itty bitty cruddy house. I think they plowed about every nickel they made back into the farm. Interesting time in my life. gm
There were also quite a few Mennonites in the Butler, MO. area. They all had modern machinery. About the only similarity I saw between them and the Amish was that the women all wore the same sort of garb, just more colorful, and the guys all had beards. I think the Mennonites were pretty patriarchal. You would see a couple and she would be dressed in her stock dress and bonnet. They might be going down the road in the man's p/u truck with a CB antenna. He's likely have on a ball cap and regular duds. The thing I noticed most about them is when going to their farms you'd see huge, nice machine sheds, barns, and other nice out buildings and an itty bitty cruddy house. I think they plowed about every nickel they made back into the farm. Interesting time in my life. gm
Hay hay hay
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Broad spectrum...just like southern Baptist.
[b:e1fcd33d80]Amish[/b:e1fcd33d80], also called Amish Mennonite, member of a Christian group in North America, primarily the Old Order Amish Mennonite Church. The church originated in the late 17th century among followers of Jakob Ammann. Jakob Ammann (c. 1644–c. 1730) was a Mennonite leader whose controversial teachings caused a schism among his coreligionists in Switzerland, Alsace, and southern Germany. Ammann insisted that any excommunicated Mennonite church member should be shunned socially and that anyone who lied should be excommunicated. Following Jesus’ example, he introduced foot washing into the worship service and taught that church members should dress in a uniform manner.
Saying "The Amish" is about like saying "the Italians" or "the Jews". They are varied as far as what is allowed where and for whom from group to group. Nothing wrong with that. We "English" do the same thing in other ways. Some practice Lent, others would never think of drinking or giving to a particular political party. Humans tend to make broad assumptions about various groups they know little about. Amish, for the most part (every group has its jerks) tend to make very, very good neighbors.
wow,
where do you even start with the Amish. many different groups and do things differently as far as conveniences and technology goes.
no i do not have a good opinion of them. they are sinners just like the rest of us, some even "worse". our county deputies will tell you most of the drug busts around here are amish. pretty much every time i've done business with amish we've gotten or almost gotten ripped off. ya anyone can rip you off but seems like, at our house anyway, amish are at about 90% rip off rate. so no i do not have a good opinion. there is truely such a thing as the amish mafia. no they don't act like the classic mafia, its much more subtle but just as damaging. for example if you don't do what so and so says or wants he'll bad mouth you or make sure none of the other amish do business with you ect ect. ..
many around here use power equipment of all sorts. many are allowed to drive but only business related. ride bikes, some have tractors but they can only be a certain age (old) like say 60 years or more and on steel. most/many have cell phones. many of the kids drive when going thru their "rumspringer" (no clue how to spell it basically they can do and dress what ever they want in their late teens) so everyone in the house rides with them... not much sense to me to let the kids go out and sin all they want and then come back into the fold.... most do come back as dad has the $$ and they don't want to be shunned and loose out. i think that's when they're getting into the drug scene.
they were branched off of the Mennonite not the other way around as some might think. some in Pennsylvania are what my dad always called "black bumper" amish.. basically i think just very old order, conservative Mennonite that take all the chrome off or paint it black on their cars. of course several different groups of mennonites out there too.
ya, this was a bit of an amish rant... i could go on but will save that for another day.
where do you even start with the Amish. many different groups and do things differently as far as conveniences and technology goes.
no i do not have a good opinion of them. they are sinners just like the rest of us, some even "worse". our county deputies will tell you most of the drug busts around here are amish. pretty much every time i've done business with amish we've gotten or almost gotten ripped off. ya anyone can rip you off but seems like, at our house anyway, amish are at about 90% rip off rate. so no i do not have a good opinion. there is truely such a thing as the amish mafia. no they don't act like the classic mafia, its much more subtle but just as damaging. for example if you don't do what so and so says or wants he'll bad mouth you or make sure none of the other amish do business with you ect ect. ..
many around here use power equipment of all sorts. many are allowed to drive but only business related. ride bikes, some have tractors but they can only be a certain age (old) like say 60 years or more and on steel. most/many have cell phones. many of the kids drive when going thru their "rumspringer" (no clue how to spell it basically they can do and dress what ever they want in their late teens) so everyone in the house rides with them... not much sense to me to let the kids go out and sin all they want and then come back into the fold.... most do come back as dad has the $$ and they don't want to be shunned and loose out. i think that's when they're getting into the drug scene.
they were branched off of the Mennonite not the other way around as some might think. some in Pennsylvania are what my dad always called "black bumper" amish.. basically i think just very old order, conservative Mennonite that take all the chrome off or paint it black on their cars. of course several different groups of mennonites out there too.
ya, this was a bit of an amish rant... i could go on but will save that for another day.
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