Just priced Rim Guard and calcium...wow!!!

This message is a reply to an archived post by Flat47 on November 04, 2009 at 15:25:44.
The original subject was "Just priced Rim Guard and calcium...wow".

This message is a reply to an archived post by Flat47 on November 04, 2009 at 15:25:44.
The original subject was "Just priced Rim Guard and calcium...wow".


I don't know whom you priced that, but we would pump rim guard in your 2 tires at our shop for $273.60


check out rim guard chart link. In Shop we charge $2.85 a gallon to just pump in tires. Your tires ea require 48 gallons.

My advice is don't put calcium in tires, because in the long run it will ruin your rims & the money you are saving now is going to cost you more later.

Skillgrove, don't know where you are at, but I was quoted twice that for rimguard and about a $1:00 more for calcium.

Holy 9 year old thread, Batman. :shock:

YES

CHLORIDE MORE HERE IN MICHIGAN AS WEEL. YES I NOTICED AFTER I POSTED IT WAS 2009. LOL

I see that all the time!! Just don't understand why some would comment on an archive that old.
Loren

It is a well know fact that calcium chloride has never damaged a rim.

Obviously you have never changed tires.

O.K., O.K. Pull that tongue out'n yer cheek !

Have you tried pumping it below zero? I have done dozens with cloride below zero. I was gold it is impossible to pump around zero.

"In Shop we charge $2.85 a gallon to just pump in tires."

And what's the price for CaCl? Weight difference?
My local shop in Michigan is about 1/2 ~ 2/3 the cost for
CaCl the last time I checked and it weighs more per gallon.

I've seen a LOT of rusted out rims from CaCl leaks that were
not fixed in a timely manner. I've never seen a rim rusted by
CaCl when it was contained within a tube.

This one took three generations of "we just keep adding air".

(quoted from post at 17:57:06 06/01/18) Obviously you have never changed tires.

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I have changed tires. The simple fact is that the process of eating rust by CaCl is OXIDATION. Amazingly enough it takes OXYGEN in order to have oxidation take place. When some one wants CACL in a new tractor with tubeless tires the dealer pumps it in without a tube. I dismounted a 15 year old loaded tubeless tire to repair a leak. There was only a little discoloration. It takes a lot of work and procrastination to keep enough oxygen inside a tire so that CaCl or anything else can rust the rim away.

When I purchased new tires and rims for my tractor last year, the tire dealer would only use windshield washer fluid. They claimed Rim Guard had damaged some of their equipment, which sounds dubious. At any rate, washer fluid is an less expensive but lighter alternative to Rim Guard and less corrosive than CaCl.

Well at my age i have seen lots of tractor tires that have had Cal . in them since day one and as long as you don't get a hole in the tube from a thorn , nail , deer antler , that lost piece of some equipment that broke off in the field the rim will not rust out . Now you may have to replace the water valve every now and then but cal is not the devil you all make out to be . NOW IF you are actively engaged in FARMING and just are PLAY FARMING then no you probable don't need nothing but air in your tire . Trying to hang enough iron on the wheels to equal the weight of a loaded tire your going to have iron hanging out a foot and ahalf on each side . If your doing loader work loaded tires PLUS IRON still may not be enough for safe operation . Around here ya need all the weight ya can get for safe operation . My own 806 D has near new Firestone radials and they are loaded to the max with cal. and even setting at over 13500lbs just mowing with the haybine it can get shoved side ways on the turns on some of the fields . I have even been shoved down a hill while planting corn pulling and old 1240 Deer planter making the turn down hill at the head lands with a fully weighted 706 , 750 lbs in the nose loaded 18.4x34's loaded and four sets of donuts bolted to the wheels . You guys eat cal into the ground all you want but for me i will stick with it even if i have to buy and new set of rims every twenty years as that is CHEAP LIFE INSURANCE in my book.Yes loaded tires eqat tires up on road travel and yes we do a bunch of that every years due to fields scattered up to 12 miles away and making the trip to them three or four times a year.

Au contraire. My 60 had CaCl in tubes. One tube leaked and rusted the inside of the rim over time. Removed, sandblasted rims, sprayed bed liner in the rims, new tubes and no more calcium.

(quoted from post at 12:25:51 06/02/18) Au contraire. My 60 had CaCl in tubes. One tube leaked and rusted the inside of the rim over time. Removed, sandblasted rims, sprayed bed liner in the rims, new tubes and no more calcium.

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Mais non Bob Harvey! You are saying that your tube got a tiny leak and put a few drops of CaCl onto the rim then it sealed itself and those few drops rusted it all around over time? I think not. Or are you saying that it leaked enough to rust the rim but neither you nor any one else ever gave it any oxygen and just ran it around soft and then flat over time? I doubt that too, Or are you saying that it was really a tubeless rim on your 60 and that the tire and rim held the pressure for years so that you never needed to air it up? That sounds pretty fishy! What really happened was the same old story. It leaked, calcium got out in between the tube and rim, where it sat getting a shot of oxygen every time the tire got low. Plenty of CaCl, plenty of oxygen, and then you have plenty of rust.

Even if it's tubed the chloride
eventualy seeps through the tube & the
rim will always be exposed to oxygen,
because if it's tubed it is exposed
where the valve of the tube comes out.
Condensation will form & eventually the
rim will rust through.

(quoted from post at 16:09:24 06/02/18) Even if it's tubed the chloride
eventualy seeps through the tube & the
rim will always be exposed to oxygen,
because if it's tubed it is exposed
where the valve of the tube comes out.
Condensation will form & eventually the
rim will rust through.

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So, skillgrove you are saying that the CaCl seeps through but air doesn't, and the tire doesn't get repaired despite the fact that it is leaking, because somehow it doesn't loose pressure? That must mean that air can get in past the valve stem as you say but none can get out? How do you arrange that?

CaCl is like a Rattlesnake if you fool with it sooner or later you'll get bit and I've seen hundreds of rims rusted out by the stuff to prove it.The think every tractor owner when
tire looses a little air is going to have it repaired is a pipe dream won't happen just the way it is .And why hassle with it in the first place just use methanol to load the tires
won't rust anything and if methanol/water mix isn't heavy enough the tractor is probably being way over weighted anyway.

No not what I meant!!! Over time it does seep through tube!!!!! Yes, air is introduced that"s just common sense the rim is exposed to air. The combination of the 2 over
time destroys the rims!!!! My point is Rim guard has a rust inhibitor in it & is environmentally safe so therefore rims don"t rust unless tubed!!!!!!!! With rim guard
& being tubed they can rust as well, condensation & air will eventually rust rims it just takes a heck of alot longer(there again common sense). Have you ever worked with chloride &
had a cut it burns like hell it eats away at the steel as well. The chloride is no good is my whole point & that the person was being price gouged on the rim guard
quote!!! Yes I do realize now I commented on a 9 year quote!! Big Deal!!! Any more complaints???? LOL

(quoted from post at 11:35:42 06/04/18) No not what I meant!!! Over time it does seep through tube!!!!! Yes, air is introduced that"s just common sense the rim is exposed to air. The combination of the 2 over
time destroys the rims!!!! My point is Rim guard has a rust inhibitor in it & is environmentally safe so therefore rims don"t rust unless tubed!!!!!!!! With rim guard
& being tubed they can rust as well, condensation & air will eventually rust rims it just takes a heck of alot longer(there again common sense). Have you ever worked with chloride &
had a cut it burns like hell it eats away at the steel as well. The chloride is no good is my whole point & that the person was being price gouged on the rim guard
quote!!! Yes I do realize now I commented on a 9 year quote!! Big Deal!!! Any more complaints???? LOL

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skillgrove, you left out just one little detail from "The chloride is no good": It is your opinion, which you are entitled to, not fact, and there are many others in the hundreds of posts here about this topic who express the opposite opinion.