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glennster

glennster

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ok i am at the point i am gonna have to break down and buy a new pickup for the farm. my 2006 chevy 1500 wt is pretty well plumb worn out 250 k on the clock. local dealer has a new 2018 gmc 2500 hd long bed extended cab. 6.0 gasser, 4wd, trailer package, and prewired plow package. 4.10 gears with a 6 speed automatic. i can get it for about 38k plus tax. its more of a plain jane, but i hate bells and whistles. any have a similiar and how do you like it?
 
Two of my son's have had pickups with 6.0 motors. They are fuel hogs. Run and pull good but 10-12 MPG empty and 6-8 when pulling a load. The one bought his right when we had the $4-5 dollar gas. He could not afford to drive it.

As far as the price. That is pretty good for a new truck. I would look hard at the work trucks from Dodge too. They are pretty nice/simple and seem to be cheaper here.
 
If you are a GM man stick with Gm or even test drive a Ford. I am a GM guy and last summer bought Dodge diesel and its going to find a new home soon. The engine works good but the rest of the truck is a cheap turd like I remember them 30 years ago.
 
I have a 2010 6.0 and it gets worked, 15-17 interstate, 70-75 MPH, cruise control, empty. 12-15 run around town empty, 10-11 interstate, gooseneck with 12,000 pound low profile load, bulk feed, smaller equipment etc. any wind resistant load like double stacked round bales, tall equipment etc. knocks miage in the head with a sledgehammer, 8-9 down to 6-7 in hills. My Son has a 2015 duramax and he gets better interstate cruisng milage but nearly identical loaded milage.
 
Any of the hd gasser pickups like their fuel. Unless you hit a good incentive for the diesel, it takes 100k+ to break even on fuel mileage.
Go sit in it. If it fits your butt and budget, buy it.
There is nothing wrong with any of the hd's at the moment.
 
thanks LAA, thats the info iwas looking for. fuel economy is reasonable for what the truck is. if i want high fuel economy i could get a prius, but its useless as a farm truck. i dont want the diesel with the def system, too many problems. i like the extnd cab idea, great for tools. my current is a standard cab, and there is no room for a passenger with all the stuff i carry. moving to a crew cab and the wheel base gets too long. thanks for the input!!
 
glennster, my GMC 2500HD has 45000 miles and 1520 hours on clock. The computer shows 12.2 average mileage, and I do tow 12000 at times and has plenty of get up. With the tow package you should have dynamic breaking and integrated brake controller. This is the first truck I've had that you could not feel the trailer brakes come on. I have had no trouble with the 6.o gas or anything else!
 
Glenster, My preference would be the Ram. The Tradesman is their lowest trim level but even that is not a plain Jane. Either Ford or Ram should have better fuel mileage that GM's 6.0. With the 2018 Ram the upgrade from the 5.7 to the 6.4 only costs $500 while in the 2016 model year that upgrade option was $1,500. Any of the Big 3 will do what you need to do. For me it boiled down to a super good deal on the Ram out of state and the best local service for the Ram vs. the other two. As one gets older it is nice to be considered a person, rather than just another customer at any dealership. For me that is Dodge/Ram. I ordered my Ram spec'd like I wanted it and love the vehicle. It is very capable of 16 + mpg when driven legally (I try to drive like I own it, not stole it.), yet very capable of pulling whatever is on the trailer behind it.
 
I had a 2010 Chevy 6.0 gasser lucky to get thirteen mpg empty.loaded down or pulling a trailer was eight to ten of that .now have a2015 ford 6.2 gasser gets about the same .
 
I did not know you could still get 4.10 gears and I thought the 6.0 was replaced by the 6.2. Guess I'm a little out of touch.
 
i know i would not be buying 4:10 diff's with a 6.0 engine. wont keep the fuel in the tank. i would be inquiring about a higher ratio like 3:73 or whatever in that ratio. thats my opinion though.
 
this truck is on the lot, sticker is 45 k , its on sale with all the incentives for about 38k.
 
I know I will NEVER but a new car or truck again but then again I have not seen any company offer a stick shift in cars and trucks now days and I do not drive automatics
 
old,

I, too, enjoy a manual transmission. Ford, nor chevy offered a stick shift in a 3/4 ton pickup (2010). I ended up with the Ram cummins diesel, and six speed stick.

The only time I do not enjoy the stick shift is in heavy stop-n-go traffic with a trailer. The clutch can be tiresome in those conditions.

I paid dearly for that truck with no DEF, but just about every other pollution equipment possible.

D.
 
Got pretty much the same truck in the 2015 model. Averaging 12.6 mpg. It's my work truck so it is getting used pulling trailer, hauling whatever. It has 85000 miles on it and no problems this far, just regular maintenance. I would give a yes vote.
 
I have a good friend with a 2014 Chevy 2500HD extended cab. He is a racehorse trainer & pulls a 3 horse gooseneck mostly interstate at 75MPH. Don't know his gas mileage. But it has over 200,000 miles and has never had a major repair, even the brakes lasted forever using the transmission braking system. He must like it, he has an identical new one on order.

I have an extended cab 2013, 1500 series Silverado. Only 65,000 miles, no problems, Get 17 to 19 MPG running 75 on the interstate. Really like the extended cab for all the reasons you listed. It is always full of tools, boots, rain coats ,extra hats, etc. I'll never have a short cab truck again.
 
Last summer I think it was I test drove a brand new Ford Mustang. I had to be shown how to start the stupid thing and how to get it into gear. Only reason I even thought about test driving it was because for every person who came in and test drove a car the Ford dealer gave a local school $$ to fund there robotic class so the more to test drive the more $$ the school got.

I learned to drive stick on the one thing that if you messed up you ate handle bars. My stepson told me one day dad I'll never be able to drive a stick shift so I bought him a dirt motorcycle and he learned to drive wit ha clutch the same way I did. Latter after he had wrecked the bike I trade it off for a 1990 Toyota SR5 Corolla with 5 speed that car handle like it was on rails
 


rearend gears should selected on how much you pull and how often.

my 3:55 could only pull 13000lbs rating of trailer. Pulling more would out run the computer fuel map and barely go...... the 4:10s pull 27500 rated. and it still goes over that.

I only use mine for pulling, and average 20 to 30k loads, as I have lighter trucks and cars for other needs. But is only gets 14mpg empty.

So try to get the gears for your particular needs..

I was always hoping they would build a two speed rear ends.... 3:25s for empty running and 4:10s for trailer work. How come no one has done that???
 
Just make sure it has the heated tailgate. I think they are standard on GMC and Chevy now.--LOL--Just trying to help!!!!
 
I have a 2013 2500HD 6.0, extended cab, 6.5 foot box and pull fifth wheel with a razor behind the camper. It just hit fifty thousand and not a lick of issues. I use it mainly for pulling, and with it in manual mode, you can shift the six speed just like a stick, up or down. We took it to Colorado, and them hills never made it hiccup, just drive it like a manual transmission and keep the revs up. wish it had the 4:10 gears for lower end grunt, but the 3:73 handle it ok, just need more throttle.
and I never bought it for the gas mileage, lol, if it needs gas I add some.
 
you would be suprised at what they can do for you. nothing saying they cant switch crown and pinions to a higher ratio. all depends on your needs
 
I have a 2007 2500HD LT 6 liter gas extended cab with short box 4 wheel drive with the 410 gear I brought new in 07. I just use it for pulling trailers and hauling on my small farm. Its got 65000 miles on it and the only thing I've done is brakes on it, a new battery, and oil changes. I put Goodyear Wranglers on it when new and still running them. It is a good puller for what I use it for. I never pull much over 12-13 thousand with it. Gas mileage sucks on it but its about normal for what it is. It might get 14 on a good day running emty. Gets 7-8 pulling my 30 ft. 5th wheel camper with a 10 ft. enclosed trailer hooked on the back of camper running 60-65 on the interstate. Does anywhere from 9-11 pulling a 20 ft. flatbed and cattle trailer, depending what's loaded on them.

Overall I've been happy with it. I keep it clean and wax it once a year and get comments all the time from people referring to it as a new truck. I would love to use it for a everyday driver but can't justify it in my own mind driving it to the store or whatever if I'm not hauling or towing something. I keep a small car for that purpose. I didn't think you could still buy a new one for less than 40 thousand. I think I paid close to 40 for mine in 07. Its not loaded but does have remote start, electric windows locks and such.
 
My 2015 GMC 6.0 only comes with 4.10's. Maybe they went with something else now. I am satisfied with mileage I'm making. I can buy a lot of gas with $10,000, I didn't spend on the diesel. I don't put enough miles on my truck. I had it for 3 1/2 years now and have 19,595 miles on it now.
 

Either way you go keep old are buy new your are gonna buy a truck again... If you like old and don't mind buying it again slowly keep it are buy new and make the payment monthly...

Your call roll the dice I don't make a thang off a new'N nor would talk you out of it... You will like it all like to eat.. Chebby trucks are a POS the others are not far behind them so what else is new...

A chebby 6.0 2500HD will get'er done...
 
I got a F250 new in 16. 4 door crew cab 4x4 6.2 gas, 6 speed auto. 3.73 axle. Its a work truck with a $1000 chrome package. Think listed for 43 got it for 38 plus tax. Dealer changed wheels and tires. To bigger aluminium ones. Also got a gooseneck hitch and airbags. Have put 38000 mi on it no problems at all. Have been hauling corn to elevator since first of feb. 300+ bu a trip. Love it. Glad i got a 4 door and a 3/4 ton. Neighbor has a 2500 Chevy gas and it is ok too. But I'm a ford guy.
 
My thinking on this question is that modern transmissions have enough gears and a wide enough
overall spread that they incorporate a lot of the benefit that a two-speed axle would provide.
For example, the GM 6L90 automatic has a 4:1 first and a .67:1 high with four gears in between.
The new GM/Ford 10-speed has an even greater overall spread with a deeper first and taller high.
Compare that to the old TH400 with a 2.5:1 first and 1.0:1 high with just one intermediate gear.
If the two-speed axle isn't used for splitting (which was their primary purpose when paired with
a transmission with few gears and big ratio jumps) it basically only adds one gear beyond what a
single-speed axle would provide, either on the top or on the bottom depending on how it is
viewed. The modern transmissions with 6 (or more) gears, a deep low-gear ratio, and multiple
overdrives provide essentially the same thing all in one package.

Placing the entire spread of ratios in the transmission also has the advantage that all gears are
available when 4WD is engaged, something that would be very complicated and impractical if the
two-speed was located downstream of the transfer case.
 

Why spend $38K, plus tax, when you can get used with 40-60K for half that? I never understood the idea of buying new cars and taking a 25% hit the second you drive it off the lot.
 
Where do you find them a couple years old with 40K to 60K miles for half price? Maybe 100K to 150K miles at half price.

Trucks don't take a 25% hit in price unless you are trading them back to the dealer - then the dealer prices them a close to new price.
 
250 k isn?t wore out quite yet.. I have a 99 Chevy 1/2 ton with 367 k. We run chevys and fords. I love chevys and the 6.0. Get the 4:10 gears. We have an 07 3/4 ton with higher gears and it?s a dog compared to the 03 with 4:10. Fords, well I?ll just say until ecoboost they were turds.
 
I've found that the price of three year old used cars are usually around half the price of a similar new car. Pickups take about five years to drop to half the cost of a new one.

Used vehicles in good condition are a very good deal for someone who does not drive a lot of miles per year, say under 10,000 miles per year per vehicle. With good maintenance, a used vehicle can easily give then ten or more years of reliable service. For someone who puts 20,000 or more miles per year on a vehicle, a new car with a good warranty and high trade-in value can be better.
 
(quoted from post at 19:18:38 03/26/18) 250 k isn?t wore out quite yet.. I have a 99 Chevy 1/2 ton with 367 k. We run chevys and fords. I love chevys and the 6.0. Get the 4:10 gears. We have an 07 3/4 ton with higher gears and it?s a dog compared to the 03 with 4:10. Fords, well I?ll just say until ecoboost they were turds.
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That's great you done good I do have a question would you spend 10K on it in the next year are so are call it quits and replace it....
 
At least buying new you will probably get treated better and keep your blood pressure lower. I've been used truck shopping lately and am finding that the sales people will flat-out lie to you. And then they lowball your trade-in. lol
 
(quoted from post at 09:54:04 03/26/18) Where do you find them a couple years old with 40K to 60K miles for half price? Maybe 100K to 150K miles at half price.

Trucks don't take a 25% hit in price unless you are trading them back to the dealer - then the dealer prices them a close to new price.
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I didn't say 2 years old. People are paying $40-60k for a pickup these days. 4-5 years down the road with the mileage I mentioned you see them on the lots for half that. Up the mileage and they're less. The point is, why spend $40K on a truck in the first place? Waste of money IMO. But what anyone else does with their money is none of my business.

And yes, you drive it off the lot and go back in the next day and see how many dealers will buy it back from you at full price. Not gonna happen. You will take about a 25% hit, then the dealer will turn around and sell it for near the price you paid.
 
(quoted from post at 05:54:04 03/26/18) Where do you find them a couple years old with 40K to 60K miles for half price? Maybe 100K to 150K miles at half price.

Trucks don't take a 25% hit in price unless you are trading them back to the dealer - then the dealer prices them a close to new price.
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I'm thinking the same thing. Helped Dad look for a good used truck for almost TWO YEARS. You can almost buy a new one for what they were asking for two year old used trucks with 40K on them.

Occasionally one would pop up priced reasonable, you'd call the dealer and they'd tell you to come in and take a look at it, but by the time you'd get to the dealer the truck would be gone. "Oh we just sold it." "Oh it's at so-and-so's getting such-and-such done." "We've got this $50K truck here you can look at."
 
(quoted from post at 05:10:00 03/27/18)
(quoted from post at 09:54:04 03/26/18) Where do you find them a couple years old with 40K to 60K miles for half price? Maybe 100K to 150K miles at half price.

Trucks don't take a 25% hit in price unless you are trading them back to the dealer - then the dealer prices them a close to new price.
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I didn't say 2 years old. People are paying $40-60k for a pickup these days. 4-5 years down the road with the mileage I mentioned you see them on the lots for half that. Up the mileage and they're less. The point is, why spend $40K on a truck in the first place? Waste of money IMO. But what anyone else does with their money is none of my business.

And yes, you drive it off the lot and go back in the next day and see how many dealers will buy it back from you at full price. Not gonna happen. You will take about a 25% hit, then the dealer will turn around and sell it for near the price you paid.
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Just saw an ad. for a used(500 mi) '17 F450,roll back,diesel for ....$.82000.00+
 
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