organic..or so..

DENNIS MIN · Mar 23, 2018

All,

I've read a lot of what it takes to bring food to my table. Now, I do not condone drinking gasoline, or anything near that, but isn't water, H2O, a chemical?

Not trying to trigger a fight, but where do we say everything is made of one chemical or another? Somethings are proven to be detrimental to humans; Agent orange, DDT for eagles, heck, I don't even like the taste of beets!

Where is the line drawn? If a farmer goes to totally organic, well, rain is a chemical, maybe organic?

Polite, and perhaps non-political, responses are welcomed and not poofed (maybe).

D>

farmerwithmutt · Mar 23, 2018

I remember reading a plant that is growing where its not wanted is a weed. In other words a corn plant growing in a bean field would be a weed.
Chemicals can be the same way recently a milk truck tipped over and people with hazmat suits showed up to clean up.
I always look at it as it's a personal choice how they want stuff produced. I know a few people that are allergic to man made chemicals and the even have to buy organic raised cotton and wool.
A second thought would be penicillin milk is always checked before ever unloading to see if there is any there because people are allergic to that. Check your food labels there's a reason it gives warnings to whats in there because simply people can die.

Philip d · Mar 23, 2018

I've heard of some conventional farmers making a tidy profit from selling sprays to organic farmers for cash lol

Lucid · Mar 23, 2018

Organic is a big word... yes I try to use minimal pesticides. Yep I want my fruits of labor to be clean. Always looking for the 'better' I believe improves me.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 23, 2018

Then the buyers are not organic farmers just crooked conventional farmers trying to pass their products off as organic.Really the buyers and the sellers are
crooks as far as I'm concerned.

wisbaker · Mar 23, 2018

Did you know if you take an egg from an "Organic" chicken and hatch it, and raise the bird on only organic and organic approved food stuffs until it's ready to lay eggs, still only feeding it organic feed that if you put that bird into a conventional laying cage or even a cage-free egg house those eggs will not be considered organic? Organic has become a label that really means "politically correct" food stuffs. To certify them as organic you have to have 100 square feet of outside ground available for each bird to be organic, doesn't matter if the birds never go outside they have to have the availability of outside areas for the eggs to be labelled as organic. Did you know the mortality rate of hens housed in a "Cage Free" hen house will be higher than hens housed in conventional caged laying houses? Seems when you put the hens in a cage-free environment they bossy hens feel the need to continually establish the pecking order and will pick out weaker birds to peck to death and will continue to do so through out their life cycle.

paul · Mar 23, 2018

People raise stuff, and sell stuff. People need to advertise and promote their stuff.

Natural deal, just business.

Organic folk, some of them, kinda go a little far putting down regular farmers, as a way to promote their stuff as 'better.'

That gets a little old after a while.

My neighbors work hard, and long, and produce as good a product as they can as wholesome and safe as can. As do I.

I don't think they should be put down for their efforts, as some portions of the organic community do.

I would prefer knowing we are all farming, and in this together, rather than pitting ourselves against each other.

Paul

hd6gtom · Mar 23, 2018

People selling organic honey are not telling you the truth. Those little bees can fly up to 2 miles away from the hive to get the pollen and nectar to produce honey. No one knows what they land on or drink.

pete 23 · Mar 23, 2018

Organic is fine by me. That is all we raised when I was a kid. No commercial fertilizer, never a sprayer on the farm. Just a lot of good old fashioned pig, cow, horse and chicken crap.

Local cheese factory had a policy here in later years, any antibiotic found in tank load of milk, it went to their disposal site. Insurance paid first offense of farmer it came from. Next time , farmer paid for full load. Now tell me your organic milk is better because it is antibiotic free.

Buy oranic , sell organic, I don't care. Just don't try telling me what to do.

rockyridgefarm · Mar 23, 2018

(quoted from post at 19:21:15 03/23/18) Did you know if you take an egg from an "Organic" chicken and hatch it, and raise the bird on only organic and organic approved food stuffs until it's ready to lay eggs, still only feeding it organic feed that if you put that bird into a conventional laying cage or even a cage-free egg house those eggs will not be considered organic? Organic has become a label that really means "politically correct" food stuffs. To certify them as organic you have to have 100 square feet of outside ground available for each bird to be organic, doesn't matter if the birds never go outside they have to have the availability of outside areas for the eggs to be labelled as organic. Did you know the mortality rate of hens housed in a "Cage Free" hen house will be higher than hens housed in conventional caged laying houses? Seems when you put the hens in a cage-free environment they bossy hens feel the need to continually establish the pecking order and will pick out weaker birds to peck to death and will continue to do so through out their life cycle.

Wisbaker,

Did you know that everything you said regarding hens and organic eggs proves you don't know anything about hens or organic eggs?

Bkpigs · Mar 23, 2018

I am in the crowd that I want as little chemicals and antibiotics as possible but still economical. Spraying herbicides in a responsible manner (of which 95% of farmers I would say do) is better for the environment. For the goofies that think combustion engines are causing global warming, how much fuel is used to cultivate? How much erosion results from cultivating? And how much crop damage and compaction from cultivating?

Does that mean cultivating is evil? No, just doesn't fit everywhere and every time.

Try to find an organic cow liver. Most of them are riddled with worms. I would rather eat beef that is from an animal that was healthy when butchered and most of its life.

A lot of the organic/climate change crowd is full of contradictions. They want no-till to reduce erosion but say herbicides are evil. How do we eliminate the weeds?

Want antibiotic free animals but say the animals must be humanly raised. How is letting a sick animal remain so not cruel?

My biggest issue with the Organic crowd is them saying conventional is evil and deadly.

SodBuster87 · Mar 23, 2018

I am all for less bs in our food chain. But having worjed at both an certified organic feed mill and a certified organic dairy realy made me see the scam of it all. Start with the dairy. They on several occasions calfs die because if they gave it a shot it would no longer be organic. Christ if your kids gets sick you give them a shot. Dont you? The flys in the milk room were so thick on the wall you could not see the white walls through them. Couldn-t use fly spray or even fly tape. Those evil chemicals you. I guess fly crap and all the disease it spreads us so much better. The feed mill used to sell transitional an organic. Organic was three times the prices because it was ceritifed even though it came off same farms as transitional. I could go on for days about what I seen but I will cut it off there.

Sod Breaker

shinnery · Mar 24, 2018

In college Organic Chemistry was all about the chemistry of carbon compounds. Just sayin'.

rrlund · Mar 24, 2018

Look up pesticide biodegradation. Sunlight,moisture and microbial activity break them down in to their basic components pretty quick. Anybody who thinks they can spray a field then plant it two months later and get good weed control is fooling themselves.

UncleTom · Mar 24, 2018

Read a news article about soybeans being shipped in from another country and somewhere in the middle of the ocean Organic paperwork was born. I do not believe in Organic as to many humans are involved messing it up.

rrlund · Mar 24, 2018

Correct. Every load of milk,no matter what it's going to be used for,fliud milk,butter,power,chease,it doesn't matter,before that milk is unloaded,a sample is taken out of the top of the tanker. That sample goes through a 20 minute test called a Penzyme test. If there's enough antibiotic to cover the head of a pin,that test will detect it and that load of milk will be rejected and will be dumped in somebodies nearby manure pit.

farmerwithmutt · Mar 24, 2018

I planted oats in the fall people laughed said that won't work. Planted it in no till corn that spring people laughed said i didn't spray that won't work . We cultivated when the political correct farmer was finishing his corn planting over the fence who said that won't work . Funny thing i was the only one that had corn in 1988.
I am wondering why you fear people that present a different way of thinking are you afraid of losing customers? The majority of the people who come to farmers markets that i talk to are well educated . I think they not only shop for price but also to get what they want it grown as if there willing to pay for it why not give it to them.

rrlund · Mar 24, 2018

Not following you? I've seen oats planted as a cover crop after wheat and it ripened. I myself never spray oats because I don't want to kill the alfalfa seeding. I don't know why somebody would tell you that you can't plant them late or grow them without spraying them?

farmerwithmutt · Mar 24, 2018

Your changing the subject but oats are allelophathic they make a good winter cover crop you plant late in the fall you do not plant alfalfa with them the end result they will winter kill and will smother any weeds that try to grow in the spring .Simply put i used the chemicals in the oats as my spray the moisture in the mulch for moisture and they only tillage i did in the spring was the slot made by the no till planter conserving moisture and soil.Wisconsin university has done extensive research into rolling beans into standing winter wheat the timing is somewhat critical but it will be conserving ground building your soil and reducing the need for chemicals I'm not against using them but if there's a more cost effective and at the same time a better for the environment why not.

Bill VA · Mar 24, 2018

I agree 100%. Don?t tell me what to do.

If markets drive organics, I have zero doubt the farmer will pursue it. I seriously doubt the world?s population can be fed on organics.

MY fear is the much of the crowd that pushes organic wants to mandate it. To them, it?s a religion and dang you if you disagree. They are on the side of ?tolerance?, but disagree with their religion (organics) and you?re bad for health and environment and let?s create legislation to FORCE you to comply with our religion. Ever see a law passed mandating the use of fertilizer and herbicides? You?ll see laws prohibiting them at the hands of these organics - jammed down everyone?s throat before it?s over. So much for diversity and tolerance.

In the mean time...

Anyone know who has the best deal on roundup and 24-d? Potash, phosphorus and nitrogen? Some genetically altered orchard grass seed? I want to rekindle a new hay field.

M-MAN · Mar 24, 2018

From what I see organic is whatever the farmer wants to call it. Seems like now a day's organic only means no pesticides or herbicides. All that plastic they are putting down doesn't count. Nor the diesel fuel drips, or oil, or antifreeze or fertilizer. Organic just sounds better than herbicide/pesticide free and you get to charge more.

I'm all for the organic farmers but they blow a lot of smoke to cover up the fact they are only going halfway. To truly be organic one needs to let the land heal itself for seven years. Then you would have to use livestock to work that land. Then you would need a bunch of manure from free range animals to feed the crops. And you woulden't be laying plastic everywhere to contaminate the land! JMO

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