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Went to visit sons in college over the weekend took them out to eat. Looking at the menu board of this politically-correct restaurant, the soup I wanted had "Cage Free Egg' in it. My turn, I stepped up, ordered my soup and said "But I'd like my egg raised in a cage, please..."
All my family thought it was hilarious, but I got a long long suspicious look from the gal behind the cash register. She did NOT chuckle.
 
I was in one of those places when we went to my grand daughter's college graduation. Real hard to hold my temper when I was ordering. The wife finally stopped me and ordered for me. Funniest part was,I was about the only one who could actually eat what I ordered.
 
A buddy's wife has a small flock of free range chickens. She sells the eggs just for fun (the couple are retired and set financially)

Anyway she painted a sign "FREE RANGE EGGS" and stuck it at the end of the driveway. Now every so often someone stops and asks to be given a dozen (or two) "of those free eggs" she advertises.
 
Cage free eggs is a gimmick, it just increases the size of the cage above a standard to be considered caged.
 
When they start blathering about organic I hurt their iddy biddy feelings and I ask them if they are working in a restaurant because they flunked chemistry class. Organic means it contains carbon atoms, EVERYTHING you eat is organic chemically.
 
The market for that stuff only exists in big cities where people don't know any better. I was watching Rural Heritage recently and they featured a guy in northeast Kentucky who's farming with horses,all organic,heritage seeds and heritage breeds. He said all he's ever been able to sell locally is one dozen eggs. He said he tried giving meat and eggs away to family and friends and they won't eat it. They give it away to somebody else. He said all of the market for his stuff is in Lexington,Cincinnati and Huntington. All the locals say "I don't want that dirty old stuff,I had to eat that when I was a kid. I want the clean stuff from the store.".

The citiots are the opposite. They want it because they "Know where it came from". The locals don't want it because they know where it came from.
 
When all this organic stuff started several yrs ago I always wondered how someone could change the meaning of a word like that, I grew up thinking it had to do with carbon molecules too could never figure out why the stuff I raised wasn't considered organic, I really do wonder what a legal court could say about that if a person pushed the issue
 
The old guy who talked my ear off yesterday with all his organic stuff said the organic market is flooded. We'll see who's right,somebody living in a sparsely populated area,or you,in a densely populated area,populated by suckers.
 
Same way the global warming crowd conveniently leave out "dioxide" when they talk about carbon.
 
I go to these farmers markets that are growing bigger every year and their products sell good and for a good price.These customers are willing to pay for what they want and producers are meeting their demands good old American Capitalism.A lot isn't strictly organic people just want to know how their food is raised.Making America Great!(LOL)
BTW have you ever been in one of those caged layer houses? They are some of the most nasty and stinking places around who in the World wants food raised like that?
 
I think you're fooling yourself if you think the cashier even had a clue what you were referring to (or why your family was laughing). She was just sitting there doing her job and all of a sudden a bunch of country folk were knee slapping and laughing at something that one of them said.
 
Come on now you need to get you some free chickens,there are 5 Mennonite dairy farms across the mountain from me that went together to process their own milk and other products they're the most modern operations in the area and are making good money from all accounts.You could start out with organic dairy goats and work your way up.Plus you might even get a girl friend women
are really into the organic stuff(LOL)
 
They're the same place. My best friend worked at the "cage free" facility that provides all the cage free eggs for every McDonalds east of the Mississippi,plus their own brands and nearly every store brand in the Midwest. He maintained all of their feeding equipment in the caged and cage free barns. There are no windows,no natural light. Crews of immigrants walk those barns 24/7 picking up the eggs out of the manure that the chickens don't lay in the nests like they're supposed to.

Let's go back to your Amazon thing. Do you think they've never made a mistake before? Search "news amazon fire phone".

As far as them buying Whole Foods,think about it. If they saw unlimited growth potential,don't you think they'd start a business in competition to WF? They know the market is limited and will peak then plateau. There isn't room for two giants to make money in a limited market. They bought an existing company to apply their business model and make a few bucks in a limited market and buying out their potential competition eliminates it right from the start.
 
My grand daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 5. She said she'll never marry a vegetarian because she wants a real man.
 
well said crazy horse.

A lot of comments here with just one in the defense for the wait staff.

Take this kind of discussion over to facebook.
 
(quoted from post at 15:09:07 02/26/18) They're the same place. My best friend worked at the "cage free" facility that provides all the cage free eggs for every McDonalds east of the Mississippi,plus their own brands and nearly every store brand in the Midwest. He maintained all of their feeding equipment in the caged and cage free barns. There are no windows,no natural light. Crews of immigrants walk those barns 24/7 picking up the eggs out of the manure that the chickens don't lay in the nests like they're supposed to.

Let's go back to your Amazon thing. Do you think they've never made a mistake before? Search "news amazon fire phone".

As far as them buying Whole Foods,think about it. If they saw unlimited growth potential,don't you think they'd start a business in competition to WF? They know the market is limited and will peak then plateau. There isn't room for two giants to make money in a limited market. They bought an existing company to apply their business model and make a few bucks in a limited market and buying out their potential competition eliminates it right from the start.
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You've mentioned this place before, RR. I still maintain it must be pretty poorly run place. I have 8000 hens in two barns, and I don't even need a bucket to gather eggs laid on the floor. My barns consistently lay over 95% (that's 95 out of 100 hens lay an egg every day), yet only a handful on the floor. That, and hens typically only lay in the morning until 11 am. Very few eggs are laid after that, so if they're walking the barns 24/7, they're just milking the time clock.

Cage-free is a worthless claim, the same as "natural". the only way to be sure the chickens are treated better than caged birds is to buy "Organic" eggs.

And yes, the term organic means "Chemical compounds containing carbon", but it is also a "label affixed to food products that are produced without chemicals and GMOs". You gonna go off on the fact that a horse is something you can ride and also a tool that holds lumber up to be sawn? or a coat is something you wear and also a layer of paint? How about Ignite being a chemical sold by Bayer and also to catch fire? Pretty weak argument, fellas.
 
What do you figure they lay on the floor? 1%? With your 8000 birds,that's 80 eggs. I don't know how many birds they have,but I think eight million might be a low estimate. One percent of that is 80,000 eggs a day. That ain't chicken feed.
 
(quoted from post at 15:11:16 02/26/18) My grand daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 5. She said she'll never marry a vegetarian because she wants a real man.
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Now THAT'S funny! Smart girl!!
 
We've all seen the aspca anti ag commercials with some over paid actress with fake tears telling us how bad animal agriculture is . conditions so bad ( insert extra sad fake voice here) we cant even show them on tv I'm sure the cashier knows all about chicken farming
 
"I don't know how many birds they have,but I think eight million might be a low estimate."

I don't know how many they have either, but that fire they had
in 2005 burned one barn and killed a quarter of a million birds
according to the news reports. $5 million in damages.

I count at least 13 barns at that site alone. Not sure how many
barns there are across the highway on the other site, or how
many other locations they have total. Definitely a big operation.

The fire they had this year was in a cooler. No birds lost but the
building was pretty much gone. I had to drive by there two days
afterwards to pick up my stuff from the sandblaster.
They had temporary buildings in place to continue operations.
Two loading docks, probably 60 ft long as a "drive by" guess.
 
I'm not going to attack either side on this. I know people on both sides of this argument and you can't reason with either side. I am however going to make a few observations from someone who lives in a RURAL area of MN..

1: We seldom shop Wal Mart. But we did just the other day for the first time in maybe a year or so. One of the first things my wife and I noticed was in the produce department. Large area for "organic" product. Then as we got into the bakery area saw a lot of whole grain product. You know all the stuff that's supposed to be healthier. Meats had an area for grass fed and another for "organic". Dairy was much the same. Now we were not looking for any of that stuff. But in Wal Mart? Even people on a budget are buying into this.

2: Over the last few years the various grocery stores we use seem to dedicate more space each year to "free range, grass fed, cage free and organic" product.

Now I know a couple of people raising cage free eggs too. Small time stuff. None more than 12 dozen a week or so. And all of them could sell 2 to 3 times what they do. IN A RURAL AREA. We got locals up here sitting around like vultures waiting for someone to die off so they can get the eggs they were buying.

You guys against this stuff, ranting about it on a forum where you are going to get a bunch of people who agree with you. Folks who ate going to pat you on your back and tell you how right you are. That isn't going to do you any good at all. You have done absolutely nothing to convince someone on the other side that they are wrong. You need to find a forum that the folks who don't believe you and post your arguments there. Convince them that they are wrong. Remember you are going to addressing people who are going to see you as a greedy guy who is willing to slowly poison them and their families who have other people who stand to gain nothing from this who can add DR MD behind their name.

What you really need to do is look at market share and the price difference farmers are getting. If they are making a better return per animal or acre then maybe at current commodity prices it's time for a change. Companies that made buggy whips who refused to change because they didn't think the car was "going anywhere" woke up one morning with a warehouse full of whips and no customers. The customers were all lined up down at the local Texaco buying gas. Any business in an ever changing environment has to be ready and willing to change to meet market demands.

Rick
 
Seems all major changes have a group that wants to hang onto the past.How many people do you know swore they'd never own a computer or go on the internet and made fun of those that did
and then turned around and went into cyber world Whole Hog? Pretty much the way things go,not surprising here there are lots of folks that are stubborn about change we're celebrating
and restoring out dated machines and way of doing things.Many of the farmers I know that had to sell out from financial pressures/debt were ones that stuck to doing things like they had always done them.
Right now in my area meat goats are bringing 2X to 3X a lb more than cattle but almost all cattle owners I know refuse to even consider adding meat goats but will cry the blues about
how farming ain't profitable anymore etc etc.I added meat goats to my cattle operation 20 years ago and I'm making more money farming now for the amount of money I'm spending than I ever have and goats are one of the big reasons.If I was 20 years younger I'd be into Organic animal and vegetable production big time because that's where the money is now and the foreseeable
future in my opinion.
 
On the "Organic Banana". I have a new neighbor who brought me some as they are into that; my first. They do keep much longer than
regular bananas from numerous sources around the world that I buy (kept under the same conditions). When I am at a store that carries
them they are my product of choice; proven performer!

I guess OBs are just the wild ones that grow wild in the tropics. Never got into farming Banana Trees.
 
Pretty simple. I'm not buying any product or joining any organization who has to recruit you by telling you that what the other guy is doing is going to kill you.
 
If you really want to get them going, point out that dihydrogen monoxide is a bigger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Then inform them that the plum at most coal fired power plants is dihydrogen monoxide vapor. top it off with the tidbit that dihydrogen monoxide is the primary ingredient in acid rain. The smarter ones will get the point even though they don't care since it is about economic terrorism not ecological preservation. The less bright ones will freak.
 
"Organic" as in food marketing is just that, a marketing gimmick that yuppy/millennials are falling for.

If you look deep enough, nothing is truly "organic".

And there is no real penalty to label anything as being "organic" when it is not.
 
Really? What about all the crazies around that keep saying ridiculous stuff like everyone is going to starve to death if farmers can't keep using poisons on their land and planting
GMO crops? Both sides have their share of Fanatics that want to make a religion out of what they are doing rather than taking a sensible look at things.
 
(quoted from post at 08:14:29 02/27/18) If you really want to get them going, point out that dihydrogen monoxide is a bigger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Then inform them that the plum at most coal fired power plants is dihydrogen monoxide vapor. top it off with the tidbit that dihydrogen monoxide is the primary ingredient in acid rain. The smarter ones will get the point even though they don't care since it is about economic terrorism not ecological preservation. The less bright ones will freak.
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Actually, they’ll look at you like you’re a fool because NO ONE in the scientific community calls water that. I imagine that was something some pundit came up with to entertain his listeners.
 
You just made my point for me. "If it ain't organic it'll kill you". Save it for the citiots.
 
I sold my organic field corn for 9.75/bu. That?s in central Michigan. Yielded 125 bu/acre. You would have to have 350 bushel corn to gross that. To each their own.
 
(quoted from post at 08:30:51 02/27/18) "Organic" as in food marketing is just that, a marketing gimmick that yuppy/millennials are falling for.

If you look deep enough, nothing is truly "organic".

And there is no real penalty to label anything as being "organic" when it is not.
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Thing of it is they are buying into it. And the people pushing it have more than a few doctors and research folks saying it's healthier. So how are you going to overcome that? Certainly not on here where the lines are clearly drawn. Most of us, even those who don't like GMO's and poisons, are not yuppies or millennials. You need to be out there on other forums and in public fighting back. You need research scientist and doctors standing by your side. And OH by the way, these people can have no association with Cargill or Monsanto or else you lose creditability because people will assume they are being paid to say good things about GMOs and Roundup. Fighting back on YT? Just isn't the forum the PRO GMO/Roundup folks need to address. Like I said before, even poor people and those on limited income who shop WalMart are spending a little extra to buy what they now believe to be healthier foods. You can thank our former president and first lady for that. You either change their minds or change how you are doing things to meet market demand.

Rick
 
Definition of a Poison--A substance that is able to cause illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
Isn't that what chemicals commonly used on crops by many farmers supposed to do kill things? If they didn't I doubt anyone would use them.
 
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