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Bighal67

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Hello everyone. I just purchased a 1950ish Buda shop mule. I am in the middle of a mild restoration. (I just want it to drive and stop. It doesn't need to shine.) I am having trouble finding new axle seals. It's a odd seal/nut combination. Everyone's buddy Phil, has been a great help with 4b-153 engine parts and gave me this part # for my seal. IH-58 539-HX. This part number has not given me any luck. I've been told it's an old # and good luck. Can anyone cross this #, and is anyone familiar with this nut/ seal combo? The only numbers on the rear end is this # in the casting. C12 190 . Thanks everyone.
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Another option is to find a seal to fit the shaft, cut the nut to fit the seal. seals have so many different sizes, you may be able to find one that is very thin. Stan
 
Can't tel much from the picture, but looks like the seal is made into the nut?

If so, would it be possible to find a seal with the correct shaft size, and thin enough, small enough bore to turn a recess in the nut, press the seal into the nut?
 
If the axel is international as per the IH logo on differential check IH truck parts. I have found many seals and other items considered rare at Baum Iron Omaha. Many rear axel units are made by Dana, Spicer, and Timken. Possibly other axel manufacture's. As I recall Timken and or Clark made the 1950 era cockshutt parts. Allis Chalmers used Buda power in forklifts also.
 
Try giving that seal number to someone at Motion Industries. If there's not a store near you, look them up on the Interent.
 
Is the seal permanently affixed to the nut
with an adhesive, or is there a recess cut
into the nut where you could get a seal
like a hydraulic cylinder would use for a
dust seal in the head? Maybe something like
the picture above?

Ross
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OK, here's the deal... that style of nut with a seal molded to it was used on MANY different IH truck axles (and, IIRC, some Spicers). Even up into the 70's, and maybe beyond.

Of course, I have no idea how many sizes may have been made.

It's purpose is to keep the gear oil in the rear axle, and the grease in the wheel bearings separated.

NOT sure where to find a new one nowadays, a GOOGLE search didn't immediately turn anything much up, 'cept a used one on ebay (he DOES list the thread size), Auction #132493081717.

If you cannot find a new or good one, it really isn't needed if you have good hub seals.

They are what actually keeps the grease or gear oil out of the brakes.

Without the axle hub nut seals, gear oil will lube the wheel bearings (NO harm there) and the wheel hub seal will keep it out of the brakes.
 
what bob said. I recall that style nut, the axle flange pressed against the rubber to seal out diff lube-[felt hub seals back than] we usually converted to rubber lip hub seal & tore the rubber off on our IH trucks--
 
(quoted from post at 02:46:19 02/13/18) what bob said. I recall that style nut, the axle flange pressed against the rubber to seal out diff lube-[felt hub seals back than] we usually converted to rubber lip hub seal & tore the rubber off on our IH trucks--
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Exactly. The axle shaft and the axle flange rides on the seal. I'd rather find the original part, but if I have to retrofit to a different style. Whatever works is good enough.
 
(quoted from post at 03:11:21 02/13/18)
(quoted from post at 02:46:19 02/13/18) what bob said. I recall that style nut, the axle flange pressed against the rubber to seal out diff lube-[felt hub seals back than] we usually converted to rubber lip hub seal & tore the rubber off on our IH trucks--
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Exactly. The axle shaft and the axle flange rides on the seal. I'd rather find the original part, but if I have to retrofit to a different style. Whatever works is good enough.
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