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Fly tractor-trailer tank transporters in from Afghanistan Germany and Iraq to haul the tanks from Texas to DC or just bring all of the C-17s in and fly them all? Keeping in mind that there need to be more Abrams tanks on Pennsylvania Ave. than either North Korea or France have had in their parades.
 
Everbody's always known we have a lot of stuff... we haven't had to show it off. I'm not a fan of doing it now, either. To me it shows a lack of confidence, and is not a show of confidence.
 
Maybe I have been living under a rock the last couple of days, but what are you guys talking about? I hadn't heard anything about it.
 
Well, DT avoided close-up contact with such machinery 50 years ago ....... so now he wants to see what he missed as a young man !!
 
Hire private heavy haulers to move them.
Even if you flew the tanks in, you would
still need to get them from the airport to
the parade route.

Ever seen the move in/out process of a
construction/heavy equipment expo? A bunch
of tanks should be easy.

I guess conservative doesn't apply to
making a show.
 
There is enough military equipment within 100 miles of DC to have any type of parade they want to have and I think its a great idea to honor the military for a change.Those that
don't like it can always stay home that day and take Mike Tyson's sage advice.
 
That's a railroad job.

Seems it takes quirky thinking to get NK to want to play nice with SK. I don't think that was going to happen under HC.
 
They move equipment all over constantly.
Why would it be more or less expensive for
this than any other place? As far as
needing that equipment for an actual fight
in this country, it's more likely to be
needed in the cities than in the plains
somewhere. That makes this great practice.
 
As jon said this would be a terrific training exercise and not cost any more or less than the normal movement. It is a reallly good idea and I am tickled he wants to celebrate the military.

Support of a military is one of only three valid reasons for the existence of a government anyway.
 
Hadley, Prez is talking about a military parade in DC, to show off our stuff. Having marched some when in service, I sure wouldn't want to do that kick step that the N. Koreans do, for more than a few steps.
 
there are probably millions of people who would like to see such a parade some of us are proud of what this country stands for and why not show the world other countries seem to do it
 
We have had many military parades. Why is it suddenly a bad idea? I enlisted in 1979 and served in various capacities through 2000. When were you in?

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/02/external_link-parades-good-nnalert-parades-fascist.html
 
Won't have to haul new Bradleys very far,my truck in York,Pa. where they're built.
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We move them all the time by rail. I live just east of Ft Riley and we have regular trains of equipment going in or out. We also have enough truck transporters to haul what ever is needed right here in the states. In a crunch, the things can be driven where they need to go.
 
Does the president really want the big parade to honor our armed services or to honor himself? Ordering a bigger parade than Kin Jong UN won't impress anyone and makes us look like a joke. I suspect that if we continue competing with small third world counties we will become a third world country ourselves.
 
Equating the USA in 2018 to 1930?s nazi Germany is one of the most pathetic repugnant things I have ever read on this forum. The two are not even remotely comparable.
 
(quoted from post at 09:37:49 02/07/18) Well, DT avoided close-up contact with such machinery 50 years ago ....... so now he wants to see what he missed as a young man !!
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Tell us how much time the Obammy’s and Clinton’s spent in the Military. Do you recall a pilot by the name of Bush Jr landing on an aircraft carrier .
 
While the U.S. has become the "Police Force of the World", it was by design supposed to be a neutral country. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't/couldn't be able to protect our own borders, but the main point was to be a land of peace; not of military might.

As strongly as I am in favor of "honoring" our military men and women, it's painfully obvious that such a display on our part would be going against the founding ideals of our nation. ...But then when has that ever stopped us??

If ANYTHING were to be put on display, I feel it should be older battle machines of decades/wars past, rather than to "show off" how mighty we are.

I don't keep up with the news (too depressing....and never know just what or how much is real), but if POTUS wants to have such a "parade" using our modern military equipment, then count my vote out!

My post is based SOLELY on the information at hand, in this thread.
 
Kinda funny saying that as the last time a Canadian prime minister served in the military was during ww2 and it was Pierre Trudeau who never
deployed farther than Montreal.....
 



Now let me see.. we have lots of tanks, but no way to transport them?

Does anyone see a possible problem here in our military design and strategy?

If it takes a few parades to get the kinks worked out, then fine by me. We have reduced the capabilities to an dangerous and embarrassing level. I think that moving tanks around,should be a easy, fast, and normal task,, but then I am not a general.

And for those who dont get out much, it was a comment by the prez,, seeing the french annual military parade and gala, that triggered this. He said it might be a good way to honor the military and show America our fighting men and develop some pride. And as usual, the responses have been all over the map. Everything from the sky is falling,,, to we are becoming nazi's. Apparently a lot of folks cant handle such an ideal.
 
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I think you are missing the point
DT said with all the negative press about our country
And the fake news that is out there and all this crap about illegals it time to honor the people who made a sacrifice
Our soldiers and America
I agree that they don’t get enough respect
We as Americans should support this
After all we would not have freedom to do what we do
Without them
Just saying
Dugger
 
I personally feel like we could go a WHOLE LOT further toward honoring them if we'd jack congress up off their a$$'s and get their health care and other benefits better taken care of. Not that this kind of post could ever waver off into politicism,,,,,, gm
 
That's what the interstates were built for, might as well get our money's worth.

Besides, that would be a hell of a nice parade right there, convoy of military semis hauling the tanks down the interstate! Cool.

I quit watching 'news' a year ago, so I'm kinda guessing what I read here, a parade is in the plans? Been a pretty happy year, actually,

Paul
 
You sure worry about US politics-why don't you worry about your abundant Trudeau on your side of the border!---Tee
 
Not a railroad job,the logistics for a one day scheduled event would be a nightmare,you would still need a lot of trucks. Plenty of trucks around to haul everything he wants,hauled military equipment for 45 years.

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Well, one thing about it. You definitely called out the ones that are proud of this country, and the ones that hide behind skirts and listen to fake news...lol!
 
A big military parade is too much like Russia or North Korea. Those countries know our military strength and the parade is just for the ego
of the current leaders.
 
Maybe we could recruit all the illegals into a couple of divisions and send them down to invade Mexico,don't give them any ammo and then they'd be captured and be POWs in Mexico.
Problem solved!
 
That's a bunch of bull the Germans almost took over Russia with Russia getting our aid and us fighting them on the western front,plus if we hadn't been fighting the Japanese they'd of taken over eastern Russia they already had secured most of China.The USA is the only reason the Allies won WWII.
 
I support it.
Last time it was done was 1991 support for Gulf war.
Then in 1961 by JFK
It was done before that in 1953 Eisenhower

Bring it on!
Tom
 
Will put them on rail cars and ship them up. Better check inside for free cheesers and illegals. You
probably won't find any of the national news people around.
 
Why not spend the $billion this parade will cost on some needed defense budget training, hardware and new weaponry?
Navy says the recent collisions were because it doesn't have enough budget to train its navigation crews properly?
 
Has nothing to do with honoring the military, all to do with a guy with a peter envy wanting to look big.
 
Well, I guess farmers thought it necessary to spend big bucks to transport their tractors to the inaugural parade. They were a big hit with the young Don,
Many of us spend useless dollars to take out tractors to parades, tractor drives, and shows, so WHAT is your point here.
Loren
 
(quoted from post at 16:40:21 02/07/18) Well, I guess farmers thought it necessary to spend big bucks to transport their tractors to the inaugural parade. They were a big hit with the young Don,
Many of us spend useless dollars to take out tractors to parades, tractor drives, and shows, so WHAT is your point here.
Loren
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People spend money to take tractors to various events but I believe that it is pretty much always their own money, as opposed to borrowed money.
 
You are correct that the USA accomplished the most to win the war with Japan, all the other major powers were concentrating on the war in Europe.

In Europe the Russians stopped the German advance at Kursk in the summer of 1943. That fact was never mentioned in any my grade school history classes but it is now considered the turning point of the war. The Western Allies D-Day invasion in June 1944 was as much about stopping the Russians from occupying all of Germany and continental Europe as it was about defeating the German Armies. The Yalta Conference in February 1945 pre-determined who would occupy which territories. Patton wanted to take Berlin before the Russians, but it would not have changed the all ready agreed upon post-war boundries, so Patton was not allowed to risk additional American losses just for his own bragging rights.

Read or Google about the Battle of Kursk, it is still the largest tank battle in history.
 
Have you seen his wife? If he can get a woman that looks like that, and is smart enough to speek a bunch of languages, and be rich on her own, kinda makes me doubt he is envious of anyone.
 
The founding ideal of our nation was that every man from 16 to 60 was to be a part of the military in the form of a militia. Prior to the civil war we had a very small standing army. It was mostly what was needed to defend the frontier and ports. At the start of WW1 we had a very small army, and again at the beginning of WW2. the problem was we no longer had a competent militia that could be called up to defend the nation. We have not truly been at peace ever. We have had many minor scrapes and brush wars, and most people are oblivious to them.
Our second amendment was written for two purposes, one that every man be ready to answer the call in time of national need, and to provide a force to keep dirty politicians somewhat honest.
 
Of course history proved Patton right if they'd of followed his advice Eastern Europe wouldn't of had to suffer decades of misery under the Soviet Union and probably would not have a Cold War.
 
Kennedy, WW2 hero. LBJ served in the Navy and was a special liaison so FDR had direct reporting from the Pacific. Nixon, a Quaker, served in the Navy in WW2 in various assignments. Ford, US Navy WW2. Carter, US Navy post war Nearly died at Chalk River. Reagan, Army WW2. Bush Sr. Navy WW2, Combat pilot. Clinton US Navy Reserve. Deserted and dodged the draft. Bush Jr. USAF reserve pilot. Volunteered for operation Palace Guard.
Our Presidency had a long history of military servants. Some good, some not so good. Great generals don't always make good presidents. Look at Grant.
 
Think the way to finance the parade would be to take 10% of the money the Gov't is wasting supporting illegals and pay for the parade.Let's put that up for vote across America.
 
All the hunters in PA and WV would make up the second largest army in the world.They should be invited to the parade.
 
The budget deal is including more money for defense than the defense department even asked for, all of your congressional heroes like nancy and shiff and maxine will be bellyaching and crying about that fact because they want the money spent on legalizing several million more criminals into dimwitocrat voters.
 
If you had one hundreth of his money you could get a wife like that too! Has nothing to do with him...it is the oldest business transaction in history. It has nothing to do with politics, just a historically known trading of assets.
 
Ain't it funny how the budget deficit that used to be critical to our future .....isn't anymore?
Who can you trust?
 
Google "trophy wife"....I bet there are several in your own home town. But please understand...some trophies much much are better than others.
 
What's really funny is to hear the tax and spenders worrying about spending money. Some are even worried about the deficit, wow, wasn't a worry during bob's time. Just raise the debt ceiling. All the pizzn and moaning on this site won't change a thing. gobble
 
Make sure and explain that to your significant other. Its just a business transaction. Good luck with that. gobble
 
The best way to do it would be to make a bunch of cheap phony cardboard knockoffs of tanks and missles like the other countries do. It would be a lot like the Rose Bowl Parade in Pasadena.
 
(quoted from post at 06:37:49 02/07/18) Well, DT avoided close-up contact with such machinery 50 years ago ....... so now he wants to see what he missed as a young man !!
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Yep, perfect comment.....lets not forget that other one who did exactly the same thing.........BC and another who never served......BO....................... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rick
 
OK, in the first place it was common for there to be military parades right up to the beginning of Viet Nam. So nothing original.2nd place most service members hate parades because they are the ones who have to put them on, often on a Saturday MORNING. The only folks I knew in the army who liked parades were senior officers because the they got to see em from the reviewing stand and got to make long boring speech's.

So no, it's more like the US Army of yesteryear.

Now for those who think that the US military won WWII? GO back and do some fact checking. Germany DID NOT take most of Russia. They couldn't even take Moscow. They would have had to have made it well past Moscow to come close to 1/2. WWII was won on the factory floor, not the battle field! Yes we helped Russia and sent them a great deal of materials. But the Russians did most of the fighting too.

Rick
 
Have you seen the pics? And what difference does it make how he got her, he has her and you don't, so there is no reason to envy anyone else's junk.
 
(quoted from post at 22:20:45 02/07/18) Of course history proved Patton right if they'd of followed his advice Eastern Europe wouldn't of had to suffer decades of misery under the Soviet Union and probably would not have a Cold War.
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And how many gazillions of Americans would have had to die to push the Soviets back? I'm no fan of the USSR or the Cold War but Patton would have started WW3.
 
IN 1995 they had a parade in New York to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the end of WW2. When they went looking for sponsors, they ran into a wall of no but thanks until one man stepped forward. That man was Donald John nnalert.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/11/11/More-than-500000-watch-Nations-Parade/4721816066000/
 
Dear Leader doesn't do anything for free. And in 1995, UPI wasn't exactly a reliable news source.

From the Newspaper of Record:
"Also in the reviewing stand was the developer Donald Tr ump, who provided the only note of controversy in an otherwise positive day. Many veterans were angry that organizers had agreed to name Mr. Tr ump, who is not a veteran, as grand marshal in exchange for his contribution of $200,000 and help in raising additional funds...But others said that Mr. Tr ump had provided crucial aid for a parade that otherwise might not have come off."

What neither news report indicates is if Donnie's history as a serial draft dodger was common knowledge at the time. And of course this was long before he ridiculed the military service of a man whose personal sacrifice in the service of his country is second to none.
NYT parade article
 
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