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jon f mn

jon f mn

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The short truck I use got a hole in the fuel tank so they brought me this truck and took ours back to the shop for a new tank.

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Since the roads are so sloppy after the snow I needed to add washer fluid. Apparently IH decided to hide the washer reservoir. I looked on the passenger side.

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Nope, not there. Driver's side?

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Nope! Maybe behind the cab?

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Nope! Ok, I doubt it, but maybe in front of the radiator?

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Nope! Maybe it's IN the cab?

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Nope, not there either! So how do you find it? Well elementary my dear Watson! Follow the hose from the wipers. Start at the top.

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Its the little hose going down.

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There you can see it head behind the fender and under the cab. Is it under the door?

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I still don't see it! Where oh where can it be?!

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THERE IT IS! Under the cab, under the drivers feet! Nothing to it! BUT, where is the filler? It's not in front of the fender!

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Not on the firewall

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Is it under the floor mat?

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Nooe, not there either.

So...... where is the filler for the washer fluid resrvoir? Look for it, its in plain view in several of the picture. Right out in the open and easy to get at. Can you find it? I'll post another pic with it in.

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Can you see it? It's right there. Lol if no one can find it I'll show you later. I figure you can be as frustrated as I was looking for it. Lol
 
I think the others got frustrated and that's why they have a spray bottle of blue stuff in the cab. LOL.
 
I haven't found it yet either,but that is not it. In the third from last picture you can see the cap on that reads "power steering fluid"

Scott
 
I may be out to lunch, but there looks like another cap right beside your coolant tank, with a hose running down and turning to go along the frame. Just down and forward from the oil filler.
 
Back half of the coolant reservoir, white tank with red coolant in the front half, empty back portion with black flip cap and hose running out the bottom.
 
It's in the third and sixth picture, up by the radiator and part of what looks like the radiator fill tank. It is divided. The washer fluid goes in the small back portion.
 
I hope that everyone here appreciates the lengths you will go to keep us amused. That one really had me chuckling! If it isn't that thing with the red hose on it then my poor eyes are gonna have to wait for a closeup. :)
 
Sorry folks, but I had to go back to work.
But Lyndon-AB got it first! It's the small
reservoir connected to the radiator
reservoir and has a hose going down to the
tank as one of the other posters said. Who
would come up with something so silly is a
mystery to me. But more so, why was it so
hard for me to see? Lmao! And getting the
fluid to go down that hose, which drops
down below them comes back up to the tank,
is about as much of a pain in the backside
as you thi k it will be.
 
I wish I could say I saw it right away, but like you, I had to look for a while! Easy to access perhaps, but I just hate seeing way more hoses and wires than necessary on a piece of equipment. After something is engineered, they should build a prototype, have the engineers perform the service procedures on it, then send them back to the drawing board for revisions!
 
THANKS! Lol. I looked in the morning before I left but quickly gave up. Then while driving I thought thats nuts, it can't be that hard. So at my first stop I looked again. Still didn't find it. Then while driving I thought about following the hose. So when I stopped for lunch I looked again and found it. I guess I was so used to looking for the white tank I never looked elsewhere. Lol Kinda made me laugh so I thought I would share. Glad you enjoyed it.
 
I went through that about three weeks ago. After my Freightliner was towed of,f they gave me a Navastar to drive. Two gal of oil, one gal of anti freeze, and find and add one gal of washer fluid.
 
Jon, ABSOLUTELY hilarious!! Thank you, sir!

I was having such a grand time looking at the pics and reading the posts that I called the wife in (she's a fan of your posts, also :wink: ).

I'll admit, I 'did' notice the dual caps in the 6th pic, but never dreamed any so-called "engineer" could do something like that.....[i:1ca2d48232]especially [/i:1ca2d48232]after seeing where the actual tank was located.

Now for an added bonus -- -- -- I have to wonder if the "engineer" who dreamed this up was female? Why? Cause my wife spotted it right off! Didn't even get past the 6th pic and she already knew it was there! Good grief!!

Has been very hazy and gloomy here today. Thanks for the laughs! Stay safe out there.
 
504, Freightliner issues as well?lol. Mine is in the shop, again... More electrical issues. Glad I just drive it and don't own it.
 
I didn't know until the end. Then I had to laugh at myself as well as you, because pearly on I saw those two tall filler stalks and wondered why
they have to be so high up in the air, wonder what they are for anyhow......

Ha!

Paul
 
(quoted from post at 17:27:41 01/24/18) Jon, ABSOLUTELY hilarious!! Thank you, sir!

I was having such a grand time looking at the pics and reading the posts that I called the wife in (she's a fan of your posts, also :wink: ).

I'll admit, I 'did' notice the dual caps in the 6th pic, but never dreamed any so-called "engineer" could do something like that.....[i:e605f7fade]especially [/i:e605f7fade]after seeing where the actual tank was located.

Now for an added bonus -- -- -- I have to wonder if the "engineer" who dreamed this up was female? Why? Cause my wife spotted it right off! Didn't even get past the 6th pic and she already knew it was there! Good grief!!

Has been very hazy and gloomy here today. Thanks for the laughs! Stay safe out there.
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In automotive design, the washer reservoir is the lowest priority of anything under the hood. By the time the design is finalized, the location and shape of the tank has been moved many times. A friend of mine was a new design guy, responsible for that tank. It got moved 17 times by the time the design was finalized.
 
It's #2 in this photo. Notice the hose going down below that cap.

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Spook -- *lol* That makes sense. Build a truck to do a job. Don't worry about visibility; they can always roll the window down and stick their head out! :shock:
 
I've always had a theory that the folks designing vehicles must be mad at the world. It seems to get worse every year. It's also why I won't buy a vehicle made this century.
 
I know I've spent a lot of time trying figure out how to get the hood open on a new tractor or find some other thing like the windshield washer fluid or other things makes me so mad when I finnaly find it !
 
There might be an advantage to being next to the radiator tank it would warm the washer fluid making it melt ice off the window better or
maybe I'm just over thinking again
 
My oldest brother has been a wrench turner for as long as I can remember. When I got back from Germany, he had switched from the Chevy dealership to the Peterbilt dealership. I asked him why the change.
He said that the day he encountered a space engineered car was the day he decided to become a diesel mechanic, and the day he saw a space engineered truck, he'd retire.
Fast forward ten years, I stopped to visit him in South Dakota. He was working the evening shift, so I headed to the shop. Talked while he worked... He was doing LOF on a straight. Changing the fuel filter entailed an extension wrench from below, once loose, go above, fasten a hook on the filter, then slide it down the frame to a point where it would fit down, and lower it. Then attach a new filter and reverse the process. As he was tightening the new filter in place, I said, "Thought you were gonna retire when you saw a space engineered truck?"
"Just shut you mouth, Or I'll give you another fat lip."
Nuff said. He is 74 and still twisting wrenches on trucks in South Dakota.
 
(quoted from post at 16:49:47 01/24/18) I wish I could say I saw it right away, but like you, I had to look for a while! Easy to access perhaps, but I just hate seeing way more hoses and wires than necessary on a piece of equipment. After something is engineered, they should build a prototype, have the engineers perform the service procedures on it, then send them back to the drawing board for revisions!
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Lyndon you are 110% correct! the engineers and designers should have to spend a month working on there new designs :x the very best insane design i've seen yet is the new ford powerstroke diesels!!! you have to take the front clip and cab off the truck to change injectors or work on the engine :twisted: the book time to get to the engine is 12 hours!! in what world do these people live?? what kind of drugs are they feeding these people?? another case of common sense like elvis has left the building :roll:
 
Some labels would have helped a bit.

Every design decision is a trade off. The downside of spacing everything out for easy access is the machine could be 25 percent larger and might be 5 to 10 percent heavier. The guys buying used cars and trucks might go for that, but those buying new will go for lighter weight and better aerodynamics for better fuel economy. For brand new vehicles the fuel costs are expected to be substantially higher than maintenance costs. To sell products, manufacturers design their products to please the original owner who buys new.
 
The real problem here is that the OEM Operators Manual has been replaced
by the aftermarket "Drivers Manual" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) also
usually kept in an inconspicuous place.
 
I might go with that except thats just the filler tube, the tank is under the cab. There is a pic of it. Lol
 
i was an product engineer at a small family owned plastic blow molder. The windshield washer fluid tank was the last thing the OEM worried about. they would come to us and say we need a windshield washer fluid tank. it must hold X.X liters and fit in this area. that is why some are the goofy shape (hard to mold) and in the oddest places.

factory sub woofer speakers where just about as bad as for a certain size speaker they needed XXXX.X of volume for acoustics. they too are in the darnest places in the back of the car and the oddest shapes and therefore hard to make.

coolant tanks are somewhat tough too but the engine cooling teams carry more weight so they generally are allotted better real estate for locations.

of course the newer more aerodynamic cars have less and less good space so.

as far as that truck goes since there is plenty of space i would say it was a cost save to put them in the same tank assembly. probably an "off the shelf" unit used by a few manufacturers. dangerous in some regards as they could be easily mixed up with the wrong fluids.
 
(quoted from post at 01:53:20 01/25/18) Some labels would have helped a bit.

Every design decision is a trade off. The downside of spacing everything out for easy access is the machine could be 25 percent larger and might be 5 to 10 percent heavier. The guys buying used cars and trucks might go for that, but those buying new will go for lighter weight and better aerodynamics for better fuel economy. For brand new vehicles the fuel costs are expected to be substantially higher than maintenance costs. To sell products, manufacturers design their products to please the original owner who buys new.
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ss55, I don't disagree, but your point also illustrates why they can't kill the long hood trucks completely. There are still enough owner operators and small fleets that do a great deal of their own maintenance, and prefer to sacrifice a portion of their fuel mileage for ease of service. I fall into that category, as I specifically ordered my Western Star as a full long hood. If I replace this truck in the next few years, I was seriously looking at a long hood Peterbilt, but may consider a 579 instead. They offer a longer hood on that model too, so I can get a bit of both worlds, easier service access but with better aerodynamics.

I also add this though, out here on the prairies we're a little crazy about the weights we pull, so lightweight isn't always a major factor.
 
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