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2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel

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buickanddeere

01-13-2018 18:27:50




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Looks like GM's 3.0L Duramax diesel for use in the full size 2019 pickups is an Isuzu/Navistar.

The 4JJ1-TCX is a DOHC 16 V 3.0 L common rail direct injection engine with VGS-turbo and intercooler, originally with a 17.5:1 compression ratio. Stock power in 2006 was 163 PS (120 kW) and 360 Nm for Manual transmission/ 333 Nm for Automatic transmission, increased to 177 ps and 380 Nm in 2011 with a reduction in compression ratio to 17.3:1. With the introduction of Isuzu's "BluePower" system for improved economy in 2015, the compression ratio was further reduced to 16.5:1 both for the facelifted "Blue Power" D-Max and the Mu-X. Bore x stroke is 95.4 mm x 104.9 mm.

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buickanddeere

01-19-2018 20:21:25




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TPMS.......close enough.



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Louis A

01-19-2018 15:44:47




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TPSM? :roll:



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buickanddeere

01-16-2018 09:34:10




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TPSM also stands for Transient Performance Monitoring System or Twin Peaks Middle School.



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buickanddeere

01-16-2018 09:28:53




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see. Truck drivers monitor tire pressure , soccer moms don’t . Tell us the huge weight and economic penalty on a vehicle that already has the data bus, processing capacity and dash display to indicate low pressure .



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DoubleO7

01-16-2018 06:57:16




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
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Right on !!

I am VERY surprised there is not at least one thread in this forum titled:

Re:2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel

Or two or three by now!!



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showcrop

01-16-2018 03:49:27




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Fortunately Louis does not post often!



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MarkB_MI

01-16-2018 02:33:41




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
This thread has pretty much run off the rails. How 'bout two new threads: "The Tyranny of TPMS" and "Dirt-cheap Diesels im Deutschland"?



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Louis A

01-15-2018 20:41:47




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I know how to look it up and I did some looking already and I can't find even one at the price you claim! So, I will stick to that you're full of it! Typical that you can't even backup what you say! You are making the claim so you have to show the proof!



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jr1983

01-15-2018 20:33:00




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
If you know how to look that up have fun that was two years ago in europe



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Louis A

01-15-2018 20:24:47




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What does that have to do with anything? Look one up on the internet then and show me proof of it! You don't know what you're talking about!



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jr1983

01-15-2018 20:10:16




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
When was the last time you saw a diesel ranger in the states? 1986 ish? Also I don't believe they made a ford ranger anymore state side in 2016. Think what you will I know what I saw.



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Louis A

01-15-2018 20:07:09




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You're full of it! You're not going to get a brand new Ford Ranger anywhere for $12,000!



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jr1983

01-15-2018 18:34:47




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
military stuff has had the capability to monitor tire pressure for many years the technology is there. Cafe standards amongst many other safety rules for american and Canadian auto manufacturers that are used to eliminate options because of increasing the base line cost of a vehicle. I get that some people like this stuff. My point isn't what you like it is that by requiring things that the vehicle works fine without in central and south America Africa Europe and Asia we don't have marketable options for a utilitarian 1\2 ton with a stick because by the time all the legal required stuff is on it the market that would buy it can't afford it. Its not that there's no demand as keeps getting brought up. In 2016 I was in Germany for a month. You could buy a diesel ford ranger 5 speed 4x4 new for $12,000. It wouldn't pass safety inspection for here though. I just think its wrong to have this stuff forced on us and if these things were relaxed you would be uprised what they would make.

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Louis A

01-15-2018 18:19:12




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Yes, of course you can still custom order a new vehicle with your choice of options! Why wouldn't you be able to?



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DoubleO7

01-15-2018 17:49:04




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
"vehicles with larger more expensive tires would have it first. They don't"????

The answer is because they are still trying to overcome the difficulties of a TPMS for class 3-8 trucks.

When they do, then as you say, the manufacture's will lobby the guberment to implement them.

In autos and pickups, TPMS is not about saving tires from premature failure they are about helping meet CAFE standards.

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Louis A

01-15-2018 17:38:11




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By the way It's TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) TPS stands for Throttle Position Sensor.



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Louis A

01-15-2018 17:33:36




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EXACTLY! Finally someone who actually has some common sense!



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David G

01-15-2018 17:28:40




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I am trying to follow the purpose of this post.

Is this for information?



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DoubleO7

01-15-2018 17:27:05




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What "vehicles with larger more expensive tires" do you speak of??



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jr1983

01-15-2018 17:18:12




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I think I was pretty clear that from beginning of time to 2006 it was unnecessary to check your pressure while driving. The effect of improperly inflated tires are exaggerated on a class 8 truck yet they don't have tpms at least none that I've ever sent did. So if it didn't matter on stuff that is more critical to have proper tire pressure and it didn't matter before 2006 it is unnecessary to be able to check your tire pressure while driving now. Therefore the only purpose is to make a vehicle cost more and thereby increase the overall profit margin of the manufacturer.

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David G

01-15-2018 17:24:52




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to jr1983, 01-15-2018 17:18:12  
Hog wash,

Low tire inflation is a significant cause of tire failure and this also indicates that a tire is going flat, giving you time to pull over safely before total failure.

I do believe the firestone fiasco did contribute to this.



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buickanddeere

01-15-2018 17:02:14




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TPS detects new leaks while driving . What part of that is not clear ?



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jr1983

01-15-2018 15:58:23




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Why do you need to? From the invent of the automobile to 2006 for a ford anyway no one thought you needed to constantly monitor your tire pressure. Why did it become important in 2007? To make a vehicle cost more. There I no other practical reason. If it made that big of a difference then vehicles with larger more expensive tires would have it first. They don't.

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Louis A

01-15-2018 15:48:40




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Knowing how to use a tire gauge has nothing to do with it! I'd like to know how you check your tires while you're driving down the road!



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jr1983

01-15-2018 14:46:45




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They are equally useless when a person properly uses a tire gauge.



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buickanddeere

01-15-2018 14:45:05




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TPS is one of the most cost effective monitoring devices to prevent loss of mileage, prevent shortened tire life and reduce the number of blowout and wrecks. A sun roof is one of the most useless options that I have ever witnessed.



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jr1983

01-15-2018 14:21:47




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Dealers and manufacturers have been able to slant results and use the gov safety crap as a way to make everything more costly. (Everything I am going to say about the rest of the world is the whole world except Canada and the us) required safety stuff in our vehicles is just crazy. Take tpms. Totally unnecessary. If you are not smart enough to tell if you have a low tire you shouldn't be allowed to drive. That said basically the way these things work the company's get together decide they are going to lobby wa to get this to be a requirement. That way they can release it a year or two early and say it was volunteer. Because they got it to be required you now have one more system to charge a customer for. One more to sell parts for and one more cause problems. You add up all the unnecessary "safety" systems and emissions systems and you have a truck that is 50k that without the unnecessary crap is probably a 20k machine. By doing so this puts the type of person who would buy a truck a lot farther up the income ladder than what it used to be. Just the ridiculous tier 4 regen systems are thousands. A simple CNG regulator and injection would cost thousands less and meet emissions without filters and not require exauste fluid but that wouldn't make enough money. Because of these things the people who buy trucks want loaded for bear options because they probably don't really need a pure workhorse anyway (and for 50k I would expect it to be nice) so the tendency is to have more automatic trans and frilly options. Its not a lack of demand it is a unnaturally manipulated market inflating the price to a point where the only people who buy an f350 are either those who can't live without it (farmer ect) who would probably rather have something else but can't get it or the wealthy. Either way its a person with a decent bank roll. So in the end this is why you can't but an inline six four speed with vynal mats. Or a manual transmission. The market has been allowed to be manipulated to a point that people who just need a or want a simple work truck can't afford one so they take whatever they can get. Has nothing to do with simple supply and demand. Also oldtanker most of my time in the army it took a higher gt to be a truck driver than a 63b.

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DoubleO7

01-15-2018 14:05:52




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What is "in stock" at the dealer is what their market is buying.

A dealer is not going to stock a stripper model if 95% of their customers are buying trucks with a bunch of bells and whistles.

They have already tried stocking the stripper trucks and they know they will sit on the lot longer than they desire.

You want a stripper you will have to go see the dealer that caters to fleet sales or order and wait.

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SodBuster87

01-15-2018 13:07:08




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rustyfarmall

01-15-2018 12:13:26




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When you go truck shopping, you have very little choice. You will find ONLY the high end, fully loaded trucks on ANY dealers lot. If they don't stock the lower-end work trucks, no one can buy them, and since no one buys them, there must not be any demand. Right?



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ss55

01-15-2018 13:02:58




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to rustyfarmall, 01-15-2018 12:13:26  
Can you still custom order a new vehicle with your choice of options? You will loose the 3 percent dealer's discount and it might take 4 to 8 weeks for delivery, but that might pencil out OK on a low optioned vehicle or if you need an unpopular option that is not in the dealer's stock (like a posi-traction rear differential).

Dealers only stock what they know they can sell for a profit.



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ss55

01-15-2018 11:50:19




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
Years ago manual transmissions were a lower cost option than an automatic transmission, but not anymore, the demand for manual transmissions is too low. How many of us would pay extra for a 5 speed manual instead of a 10 speed automatic that can still be shifted manually.

Today the overhead costs to offer an optional manual transmission might easily cost an extra $5 million to $10 million by the time you add up all the costs for design, process engineering and purchasing, dies, tooling jigs and fixtures, inventory, tracking costs, service manuals, training service techs, spare parts inventory, etc. If a manufacture needs to recover that extra overhead cost from only 1,000 to 2,500 vehicles do they: a. charge an extra $2,000 to $10,000 for each manual transmission
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b. drop the option for a manual transmission.

Any customer that really wants a manual transmission can probably find a speed/custom shop that can install one.

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SodBuster87

01-15-2018 11:14:21




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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see In '89 Ford offered five different trans options in a f150 (IIRC) last time I looked they offered two. Both autos. What happened to options? There are plenty of people who would prefer a manual trans and vinyl floors. But they make sacrifices because they want/need the bigger engine and maybe the nicer stereo. Doesnt mean they don't want the base model. It just means they buy the upgraded package and the unwanted options come with. Also have you looked at the price of slightly used trucks lately? The fact that trucks a couple years old are bringing almost new price makes me wonder how much people realy like the new trucks. Sod Buster.

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oldtanker

01-15-2018 10:24:26




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
If there was enough demand for a manual it would be available. Just as a 6 cylinder, manual transmission/roll up windows/vinyl seat rubber floor mat regular cab ECT pickup would be available if the demand was there. Not enough demand? Then they ain't gonna build it. Face it guys, even semis are going over to auto trannies. And the trucking companies do a cost analysis before any major changeover like that. So somewhere there is an cost advantage.
Funny thing is I use to sound like a bunch of you guys. Hated autos. But we used a Suburban as a farm vehicle. Pulled implements home from sales, loaded hay wagons, loaded gravity boxes too. 258,000 was when the transmission failed. Added bonus? The wife could drive it.

Knowing how to shift is no big deal. The people who designed your truck/car/new tractor or combine may not know how to drive a manual, but they can design an jet? Can you? The US military found out you can train the lowest level of people to drive a truck or jeep with a manual tranny. That's why the people who scored the lowest on the ASVAB, just above the actual failure point, qualified to be truck drivers.
Rick

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dhermesc

01-15-2018 06:48:50




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
Is Dodge still trying to sell their 3.0 diesel or did they do everyone a favor and give up on it? The local JD dealership had 6 of these for use as salesman trucks - after two years not one is still in the field. They couldn't handle driving down the road empty - let alone towing anything.


I believe the Navistar is an I6, I believe the Isuzu diesel was V6(?). With all the emissions requirements I would never buy a 1/2 ton pickup (or car) with a diesel engine made for the US market in the 10 years for any price. I'd take a base engine gas truck any day and pocket the savings twice.

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jr1983

01-14-2018 21:19:46




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
I guess I should add regardless of what mark b says in every other country in the world other than this one manuals are far more common than autos. Its not because they are inferior.



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MarkB_MI

01-15-2018 03:23:08




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> I guess I should add regardless of what mark b says in every other country in the world other than this one manuals are far more common than autos. Its not because they are inferior.

For the record, Canada and the United States are separate countries.

Yes, it's true in Europe and Asia that manual transmissions are still popular. But those are quite different markets than North America; they don't sell very many 350 HP full-size pickups in Europe or Asia.

If Ford or Chevy thought they could siphon off market share from Chrysler by offering a manual transmission, they would do so. After all, you can order a Mustang or Camaro with a manual. They don't offer manual transmissions, because the people who actually buy fifty thousand dollar pickup trucks want automatics.

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dhermesc

01-15-2018 06:55:13




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-15-2018 03:23:08  
I believe Chrysler dropped their manual option on the 1/2 ton trucks for the 2017 model year (earlier?). Its only an option in the Cummins powered 2500 and 3500 trucks. Even being the only one offering a manual they still couldn't sell enough to justify making it an option. 99% of those that say they want a manual don't seem to buy new trucks and that is who the manufacturers market to - not to the guys who will buy them used in 4-8 years.

http://www.tfltruck.com/2017/09/comprehensive-2018-pickup-trucks-manual-transmission/

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jr1983

01-14-2018 21:02:51




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I have no idea why you would think nobody would buy a manual. A dodge with a six speed won't stay on the lot five minutes. A ten speed automatic pulling power wise is about the equivalents of a six speed manual in the heavy truck world in my experience. You could get the job done with a five speed Allison as long as you don't mind 0-60 in a weekend. If gm offers a stick again I might be back in the market. I've driven ford all my life. I don't like dodge. I don't feel like ford makes anything I want anymore. I might buy a gm if they have a stick again. Admittedly everything I just said is opinion after the dodge not staying on the lot but it is a fact you can't keep a diesel with a manual on the lot so someone is buying them. Also sodbuster is right. They put the big horse engines in front of automatics makes no sense because they won't hold up but if you want the high output Cummins you get an auto.

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Louis A

01-14-2018 20:01:27




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Following Ford too!



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DoubleO7

01-14-2018 19:19:31




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The engines of today would do just fine in front of a four speed manual.

Blame it on the EPA, etc. requiring higher mpg and lower emissions. Which require the engine be kept in the desired power band/rpms via more gears to achieve the numbers the gubberment demands.



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Louis A

01-14-2018 18:13:04




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It's not a typo! What makes you think that it couldn't be a 3.0L inline 6?

Introducing the All-New 2019 Chevrolet Silverado



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DoubleO7

01-14-2018 17:06:20




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Please provide source of this Navistar/Izuzu diesel in the 2019 1500 GM pickups.

99.9% of the news outlets are not mentioning Navi or Izuzu in their articles.



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buickanddeere

01-14-2018 16:45:06




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Has to be a typo on the displacement or the cylinders . The Isuzu 3.0L is a four banger .



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RLP in Co.

01-14-2018 11:37:29




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
What I like about manual transmissions is they usually can wear out two engines. My neighbor just spent $3500!!! to rebuild his Chevy automatic transmission.



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MarkB_MI

01-14-2018 13:00:48




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to RLP in Co., 01-14-2018 11:37:29  
> What I like about manual transmissions is they usually can wear out two engines. My neighbor just spent $3500!!! to rebuild his Chevy automatic transmission.

Replaced a heavy duty clutch lately?



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ASEguy

01-15-2018 04:04:52




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2018 13:00:48  
I just replaced my flywheel and entire clutch in my 02 six speed Dodge this summer with a Luk Rep set for $400.00. I did the work, but I have heard the torque converters are very pricey on the bigger trucks.



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RBoots

01-14-2018 16:41:15




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$1000 for a performance one if you decide you want to spend that much on one to hold up to a modified diesel. $3-400 will usually get you one of similar if not better quality at the clutch shop I deal with.



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01-14-2018 09:07:20




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
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Don't forget eating your sandwich at the same time, LOL.



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01-14-2018 06:31:48




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
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I'll just stick with my 8.1 gasser and 6 speed manual thank you.



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JDEM

01-14-2018 06:29:06




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
Is Navistar hurting for work since Ford fired them? I still have to laugh whenever I hear NAVISTAR instead of IH. It was originally "Navigating the Stars", but that got dropped pretty quick.

Unless you have money to burn - seems these new diesels are silly. I am very happy with my 94 Ford IDI diel and my 1985 Isuzu IDI diesel. I suspect all I will need for the rest of my life.



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01-14-2018 04:28:26




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see It a vicious cycle. What killed the manual is packaging it with the small engine and no options. People wanted the big(ger) engine so they bought the auto. Then the marketing guys said omg the manuals ain't selling lets kill it . Sod Buster



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Russ from MN

01-14-2018 07:24:19




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to SodBuster87, 01-14-2018 04:28:26  
Pretty hard to shift a manual and steer while talking on your cell phone!



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01-13-2018 19:55:13




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
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It's an inline 6.



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01-13-2018 19:03:12




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 01-13-2018 18:27:50  
Might as well wipe the manual transmission specs off for use here in the US. Like all the others, I'll bet it won't even come with the option of a manual transmission in a pickup chassis. Is that a V6? Guess I didn't see where cylinder arrangement was stated. Is that gonna be for 1/2 ton trucks, or the new standard diesel engine for all pickup platforms?



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MarkB_MI

01-14-2018 03:47:51




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to RBoots, 01-13-2018 19:03:12  
> I'll bet it won't even come with the option of a manual transmission in a pickup chassis.

Why would GM offer an option nobody will buy, even if it could hit emission and mileage targets?

The diesel will come with a ten-speed automatic. That's the equivalent of how many manual transmission gears? 16? 20?



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RBoots

01-14-2018 09:18:28




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2018 03:47:51  
Just the same as an automatic, if it had 10 speeds, why the heck would you think it would need 16 or 20 in a manual? I realize they have to meet the emissions and mpg requirements, but there are still people out there that know how to shift, and like a manual transmission. Like autos in heavy truck applications, not everyone is pulling 35,000 lbs of produce. I guess I shouldn't expect any less though, people are too stupid to even figure out how to drive most of the time, let alone have manual input on a mechanical device that won't just "do it for them".

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CenTex Farmall

01-14-2018 18:41:13




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to RBoots, 01-14-2018 09:18:28  
My 81 Chevy gets along fine with just four gears. When not loaded you only need three of them. The transmission has never been out of the truck. That's an SM465 for you!



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MarkB_MI

01-14-2018 19:04:11




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to CenTex Farmall, 01-14-2018 18:41:13  
> My 81 Chevy gets along fine with just four gears. When not loaded you only need three of them.

The granny four-speed was fine in its day, which was thirty years ago. I had an '80 model Chevy with a 250 six and a four speed. It did OK pulling my 3000 pound center console sportfisherman, but you'd better have a couple of miles of clear road ahead if you wanted to pass somebody.

But expectations are different today. Modern (so-called) "half-ton" pickups are expected to pull 10,000 pound fifth wheel trailers at 70 mph, and get over 20 mpg when they're not towing. That, and the horsepower wars between the truck brands have forced manufacturers to produce high-revving engines with narrow power bands. The engines of twenty or thirty years ago were happy with three or four-speed manual transmissions. Not so much the engines of the past decade.

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CenTex Farmall

01-15-2018 22:52:56




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2018 19:04:11  
I have the Big Block and the wide torque band works with four gears. Believe it or not it will hit 15mpg if you're loafing along empty at 60 or so. Not bad for an old one ton.

I get what you are saying though. Pickups these days do come with seemingly crazy amounts of stock horsepower. What I don't get is that they are so dang tall. The sides of the bed get way up there.



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MarkB_MI

01-14-2018 11:51:06




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to RBoots, 01-14-2018 09:18:28  
> Just the same as an automatic, if it had 10 speeds, why the heck would you think it would need 16 or 20 in a manual?

The torque converter in a slushbox replaces a lot of gears. The Chevy Powerglide of the fifties had only two speeds, replacing a three or four-speed manual tranny.

Modern engines have relatively narrow power bands, driving the requirement for more gears to keep the engine up on its torque curve under heavy loads. And few drivers will want to mess with even a ten-speed manual in a half-ton pickup truck.

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DR. EVIL

01-14-2018 13:58:48




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2018 11:51:06  
I put 300,000 miles on my '96 F-250 Powerstroke with the 5-speed manual. I bet I clutched and pulled it out of 5th to shift into 6th a couple thousand times! I test drove the first Super-Duty I could find with the 6-speed manual, SuperCab F-250 diesel. For lots of heavy towing it was the combination to have, but for all the light load running around I did my 5-speed with 3.55 gears ran right up to speed just fine. Even when I towed just short of 20,000# I was surprised how my stock truck with such long gears would climb hills and gain speed.

Unless you buy a Kenworth, Peterbilt, Navistar, FreightShaker, or some imported Hino or something, you can not get a manual transmission in a pickup anymore. Half, 3/4, or one ton, all brands, Chevy, GMC, Ford, and Ram, all only automatic as of start of 2018 model year. Ram was the last to offer a manual in 2017. After over 40 years of driving manual trans pickups, I bought my first automatic trans pickup yesterday. The salesperson even made doubly sure that I couldn't order a special option code and still get a manual. Nothing doing.

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Dan Richardson

01-14-2018 06:42:05




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2018 03:47:51  
I know what a gasser is. I know what a six speed is. I know a Cummins makes to much noise. Beyond that..............



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01-14-2018 19:37:49




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to Dan Richardson, 01-14-2018 06:42:05  
Chevy is just following Ram and Nissan,1/2 ton diesel.



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dhermesc

01-15-2018 07:13:39




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 Re: 2019 GMC Duramax, navistar, Isuzu diesel in reply to 504, 01-14-2018 19:37:49  
I hope not. I don't know anything about the Nissan diesel but the VM diesel in the Ram is a steaming pile. Pretty much the same issues the VM diesel had in the Jeep Liberty along with a new one. The cam shaft sprockets break free and the engine loses time and the valves hit the pistons - destroying the expensive toy.



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