Baling tractor needed.

Hi guys
I'm currently looking for a baling tractor but I'm newish to farming (5year) I'm also new to North America so I'm not familiar with running older tractors that you guys get here. I have a 1070 case on the Baler right now but she's getting tired and also has no AC for the wife who does most of my baling.
Our area is rolling hills and bushy. i like the power shift in the case.
Here what is available to me now Deutz dx140/160,IH1086 or another 1070
I still have time to look so all input will be greatly appreciated.
Baler is 568 JD so i need 1000pto

Welcome to North America. What town are you
close to in saskatchewan?
Fellow resident. Todd
Btw I have a 1086 running haybine and it's been
good. All the ones you listed are good tractors.

I bale with a 1486, and its ok. I like the 70 series Case better, more leg room, and more gears, then the TA.

Of the choices you gave I would go with another Case 1070. The Duetz are good tractors but they are not the most user friendly and the cabs/AC are not the best. The IH 1086 would be harder to operate with the left hand shifters.

If you get the case you will have parts or a spare tractor to start rebuilding.

Hi I'm an immigrant to Manitoba been here over 17 years. I'd leave anything bigger than a Deutz dx 90 type tractor where it was. Most of them have
been used hard on cultivation round here. There is a weak coupling in the transmission that strips the splines it's a major expensive job to fix it.

I worked in a wreckers for a while and pulled one apart for that coupling. we found out the used one had stripped and locked up when it turned and
was junk to. a local machine shop figured out a fix and used to re build them but that's not cheap either, if they would still do it.

The syncro's can wear to, and they are a real bag of fun to shim and get right to stop them jumping out of gear. A Deutz mechanic looked at one for
the yard we were going to fix in the shop, he said part it fixing it right was gonna be a gamble and cost more than it was worth as a tractor. The
DX 90's and smaller don't have enough power to hurt anything much so they seemed to fair better. The Deutz has a poor reputation because of the
bigger ones even going back to the 13006's here to for transmission shaft oil seal problems.

Anything European here in Canada you will find the parts prices are more crazy than John Deere, We run a Valtra through Agco, and I fix a few
Masseys and a Landini for another couple guys, sticker shock on those parts is crazy. Buy something north american where there are loads of them
around and new, jobber or used parts are better value/ easy to find here. The Duetz is cheap horse power for a reason, it will bankrupt you fixing
it when you need to. most guys run them till they puke then go buy another one cheap or something else better than an 1135 or 1155 Massey for a
reason we won't go into in this discussion L.O.L.

Regards Robert

My advice will be out of step but here goes, look for
a CaseIh Maxum , 5140 is compareable , with right
near 100 hp and good power shift, and comfortable
cab. Many will have loaders , and the 510 CaseIh
loader is tough. You might think this tractor is ?too
new? but they are 25 years old now. And not heavily
loaded down with electronics. Pro can be changed
from 540-1000 by just removing a spring pin , and
turning the shaft end to end. Can pick them up for
around 25 grand with 4wd and loader.

You could a also look for a 20/2290 or 94
or 2096 case which would give you a bit
nicer cab and a few other upgrades for not
a lot more money. They are also lose
enough to what your used to so you wont
have to get used to a different brand.

I'd say get whats been suggested another tractor just like the one you have.

Well, I might be going against the grain here, but you say you're not familiar with the older tractors and you need something with air and is easy for your wife to operate the baler with. Go buy a new Kubota M6060. 63 hp. and it would be new so you shouldn't have to worry much about it. I bought one this fall and really enjoy operating it. 0 $ down and 0% for 60 or 72 months hydraulic shuttle and everything is so easy to get to to control. If you don't want new then why not get yours rebuilt, you know what's wrong with it. I know I was amazed at the price I bought mine for with loader on it too.

My recommendation is avoid anything produced in the early to mid 1980's, especially if it's a "new" design. The farming economy was so bad that not much of anything was sold, so anything from that era is going to be rare, possibly hard to get parts for. A lot of that stuff is getting "collectible" now too so prices are going through the roof.

Stay in the 1970's or jump up to at least 1987.

If you're thinking about an 1894/96 or 2094/96 series Case, just skip right to a 5100 or 5200 series Maxxum. Same money, a few years newer, and easier to get parts for.

With 1000 RPM PTO I'll assume you are baling large round bales. A tractor larger than 110 HP would not hurt in that application and some large 2WD tractors with 1000 RPM only are priced lower, because they don't have a 540 RPM PTO. John Deere 4630 and Case 1270 & 1370 come to mind, all were available with power shift transmissions. Also check the newer versions: 4640, 4840?, 2390, 2590, 2394, 2594. You might be able to buy a bigger and newer tractor for not much more money.

Of the ones you listed, I would probably go with the 1070. However, a White 2-105 makes a great hay tractor. The three speed shift on the fly really helps with varying conditions, and they're easy on fuel.
Pete

It looks like a Deere 4240-4440-4250-4255 would fit your needs pretty good. $15000 -$35000. Power shift, Air and 1000 rpm pto. If you buy your wife one of them she will think she died and went to Heaven!---Tee

Hi Peter
Being that you are familiar with the 1070, switching to another brand will be another learning curve to consider.

Nice thing about Saskatchewan is any day of the year you can look on Kijiji and there are at least a half a dozen 1070's available ranging from parts machines to low hour gems.

I pulled a baler on very similar ground as yours for years with a 970, when I upgraded to a 1070 it was a black and white difference, the little bit of extra HP on the 1070 allows me to roll over the hills I used to have to down shift on, so I would not recommend going to a machine with any less power,

You could go out and spend big money on a newer machine but it will still break down.
Having a parts machine around to keep yours going in my opinion is still cheaper and more convenient than having a newer machine even if you lived next door to a dealership.

I know someone who put out serious money for a newer Kubota this spring, it did not roll 100 bales before it had to be hauled in for $14000 worth of repairs to the transmission along with a month of down time. (Not picking on Kubota it can happen to any brand)

I vote 1086. There is a reason there are so many of them. I own a 1586 with the dual PTO and I love the thing. People complain that the doors are backwards on the cab and they are a little awkward. Have also heard complaints about shift levers being in the way when you get in and out but I have not had a problem with them. Easy to operate.

Is there a near by dealer that is any good? That may impact your choice.
My brother experienced the Duetz problems so nicely described below.
The Case guys had some really good comments below about going a little newer in Case, make sure it is not all
used up.
I am partial to JD, 40, 50,or 55 Series. I bet Larry Anderson could hook you up with a good one.
The neighbor has a 1086 cab Tractor. Good working Tractor but the Engineers put two levers right smack dab in the
middle where you have to get in and out of the cab. I often wonder what they were thinking.
How about a Case-IH 7110 or 20? Nice Tractor, my only complaint is you cannot see the drawbar from the cab seat.
Paul

Hi The older Maxxum's seemed to be popular round here as a loader tractor about 10-15 years ago. I have seen a few that are reasonably price in the
last few years that had some life left and less than 15.000 hrs. Before I brought one of those I'd go ask a dealer how much a hydraulic pump is and if
you can even still get them, or find a replacement from any other source than main dealers.

There was horror stories going round a few years ago about the price and availability then. They are one of the tractors that seem to catch fire in
this area, the local wreckers has quite a few. I don't know why, Possible multiple bad luck or it's worn out and needs big money spending or can't get
some parts ?. Thats getting to be a common thing I hear with all colors certain parts are NLA and the common needed used stuffs drying up to for a lot
of them to.
Regards Robert

My thoughts......it is quite simple to convert that baler to 540 RPM which would expand your tractor choices. The
repeated clutching during baling is tough on dry clutches, a wet clutch would be ideal. One of the nicest baling
tractors I have run is a 4055 Deere powershift.

Of the three you mentioned, I'd go with the 1070 if for no other reason than you already have one for parts. I've driven a 1070 on a couple of occasions and they seem to be nice tractors. Even back when we had a good Duetz dealer in the area they had a reputation for expensive parts and parts availability problems. The 86 series IH's seem to be a "they're okay" or "I hate them" type of a deal. A White 2-105 would make a good baler tractor and parts are available and reasonably priced (by todays standards). The 50 series Case IH's mentioned below from what I've heard from local mechanics, have availability problems with hydraulic pumps and the price of the pumps are incredibly expensive. One local mechanic told me he had figured out a way around that problem, but he didn't say how.

Thanks for all the replies
Definitely gave me some direction.Now I guess it's wait and see what comes up for sale until early spring

I'm with you, Dave. 86 series all the way. I know they get a bad rap, but they are really good tractors. My 886 gets used to chore, rake and square bale, and plow terraces in the fall (it's the only single wheel "big" tractor). Those doors annoy me, but there is something annoying about each tractor. I'm not sure it will be a factor for you, but my IH tractors are all excellent winter starters with no help. I don't plug in the 886 until it gets to the single digits and even then it's just to be easier on the batteries. All of my green tractors have to stay plugged in to start but not the reds.

So found teo local tractors
2-135 white 8500 hours silwer stripe bad tires
Or
mf 1105 - 6000 hours good tires - did mostly baling and auger work.
Looking for recommendations please
Thanks