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Texasmark1

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"Howwwwww Sweet it is" (Jacky Gleason)

Took my first drive of my "silent" 2011 Silverado yesterday.......aaaaaah what bliss. Pulled fuse #42 (Blue 15A) in the engine compartment fuse panel. Just had enough. Seems you no longer have a door chime (at least it is a chime and not the buzzer we had to listen to for some time) relay. The door chime is built into the radio. But there are 2 fuses: The radio fuse and a 30 amp Boom Boom Box "amplifier" fuse too. Wow!!!!!!!! Just what a guy that's 90 dB down deaf needs!

In the process realized that everything is electric or electronically controlled. The massive fuse panel under the hood, the second one in the side of the dash, fly by wire butterfly control on the air intake....aka throttle, sensors in the air intake, on and on.

The days of the shade tree are long gone and I don't see how an auto repair shop, non dealer type, can stay up with all the variations of this and that in todays electronics crazy world. I made a comfortable living in the field but got out just in time. Current activities are over my head and I don't care to dive into them.

Moving on into tractors and tractor controls, wonder how this is going to play out. I have a Tier 3 2007 Branson and neighbor recently bought a 2016 JD 4052. I had a look at it and just backed away. Seems I have my last truck and tractor.

Good luck you folks with yours.
 
On our 13 Silverado if I just pull the key out about a half inch then the chimes don't sound, that works for me. We don't live in a high crime area but we don't ever leave vehicles sit outside with the keys in them, just not worth the risk. On our Subaru you have to pull the key completely out, then I just lay them on the center console. I don't like the chimes either, but they exist for a reason.
 
(quoted from post at 05:28:59 11/27/17) "Howwwwww Sweet it is" (Jacky Gleason)

Took my first drive of my "silent" 2011 Silverado yesterday.......aaaaaah what bliss. Pulled fuse #42 (Blue 15A) in the engine compartment fuse panel. Just had enough. Seems you no longer have a door chime (at least it is a chime and not the buzzer we had to listen to for some time) relay. The door chime is built into the radio. But there are 2 fuses: The radio fuse and a 30 amp Boom Boom Box "amplifier" fuse too. Wow!!!!!!!! Just what a guy that's 90 dB down deaf needs!

In the process realized that everything is electric or electronically controlled. The massive fuse panel under the hood, the second one in the side of the dash, fly by wire butterfly control on the air intake....aka throttle, sensors in the air intake, on and on.

The days of the shade tree are long gone and I don't see how an auto repair shop, non dealer type, can stay up with all the variations of this and that in todays electronics crazy world. I made a comfortable living in the field but got out just in time. Current activities are over my head and I don't care to dive into them.

Moving on into tractors and tractor controls, wonder how this is going to play out. I have a Tier 3 2007 Branson and neighbor recently bought a 2016 JD 4052. I had a look at it and just backed away. Seems I have my last truck and tractor.

Good luck you folks with yours.
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You and me both. I even take the wifes' 2012 Silverado back to the dealer for oil changes.
 
Only reason mine goes back is for the annual state vehicle inspection. The reason I bought Chevy after having 3 Dodges over the recent
years (drove all of them from time to time) was that the Chevy dealer was the closest and if and when something needed fixing they were
going to get the honors.

On pulling the key out, been doing that since I bought it. Got tired of that and everything else that was chimed.....what really pushed me
over the edge was the last time I was hooking up a trailer and was having an unusually hard time getting lined up, door open in and out, you
know the routine, the whole time the chime dinging..............enough! Yes I have the alignment magnetic rods but they only help so much.
Have not tried the V thing-a-ma-bob you put under the ball. Seems kinda crude but don't know...haven't seen/used one. Not going to buy
a new truck just to get a backup camera.
 
I have no idea what the reason is. That door chime if it would work when you are driving down the road with a door unlatched they would be worth some thing but rattling on to tell you the door is open as you are getting in or out is just plain stupid.
 
1995 Silverado 350 throttle body no chime or buzzer and fairly easy to work on!last year before the vortex.304000 and counting,they'll have to drag me away from it kicking and screaming when it dies!
 
They already have that solved with the messaging display in the speedometer assy....."Door Ajar" and it works with the latch closed but the door not completely closed.....they did a good job on that one.
 
I will have to rebut your suggestion that only dealers can work on them. You are more likely to find knowledgeable repair at an independent shop than at the dealer. Due to the current state of GM, and the scam flat rate that dealer techs are paid, it is virtually impossible for those folks to feed their families on a dealer pay check. They can get paid tenths of an hour for things that took several hours. Because of this, dealers tend to be staffed by less experienced techs that don't know any better than to work cheap. I spent 11 years at dealers until I was having to empty my kids bank accounts to keep the heat on. I now run my own place, not all fun and games, but I am getting compensated for my knowledge and tool investment now. I believe this same problem is happening at Ag dealers, too. My Snap On rep told me that by their company statistics, Ag mechanics are the lowest paid in the repair sector. He said the local dealers are having trouble retaining talent. When the BTOs find out who fixed their problem child, they offer them a farm job repairing their equipment exclusively, at a higher wage. Rep told me he has had this happen several times and has had to add more farm stops on his route.
 
Just saw a vid on the news of a pair of car thieves . One walks around the house with a gadget that seeks the signal of the new fangled car keys in the house . Once he gets a hook up or reading his gadget relays the code to another thief standing by the car and this gadget stores the received code and then calls the car and tells it to open the door and then once in tells it to start . Both thieves then exit the area -- one driving the stolen car and the other in there ride they cam wit. Total time was about 30 seconds. Who thinks up this new fangled crap--- what advantage is a electronic digital key ???
 
Pretty spot on with your assessment. The guys that are good, are smart enough to go do something else.

There are a few dealers that take care of their employees, but not too many.

As far as the electronics go, it's just a matter of understanding how it all works together. The ag equipment has some pretty powerful diagnostics built in, but you gotta know how to use it.
 
Working on new cars and trucks is easier than you think. A $40 code reader and the internet will get you a long way to doing most repairs on common vehicles. You just have to be willing to learn and dive in. The big difference is the first thing you do when you have a problem is use the code reader if the check engine light is on and then go to the internet and search out the problem. The next thing you do is open the hood. If no check engine light then start with the internet search. You use technology to fix technology. I imagine that mechanics do the same thing unless they know for sure what the problem is. You don't have to keep up on every item in every car you just need to know how to use the computer as a tool and figure it out.
 
I just pull the key and place it in the drink holder. As I get older and more forgetful I kind of like the beeper. It tells me if I left something else on that I would want turned off even after I pull the key. A dome light comes to mind as an example. Same thing with my car.
 
I've been driving a 93 Dodge with cummins for 24 years never get it away from me. I didn't
know it had a seat belt buzzer till I got hearing aids !!
 
So, were you able to leave the chime fuse out?

No check engine light?

Nothing else on that circuit?

You got real lucky if nothing else was affected!

Think the 2011 is electronic overkill? Poke around in a 2014+! A whole different animal! Much more complex, more hidden components, more intimidating features, all designed to get it back to the dealer for every thing!

Somehow, I've got to make my 2013 last the rest of my driving days! First thing I want to do is get it lowered back down to where a work truck belongs. Tired of climbing up just to sit down! Want something out of the bed? Reach over and get it? No, climb up on the bumper that's 2 feet off the ground!!!

GRRRRRR!!!!

Rant over.
 

I'm sure there are hight tech thieves who can by-pass just about any security system, but if the vehicle in question is a '50s model, slightly modified with a hidden toggle-ignition switch, and a hidden push button starter switch, would these modern day thieves be able to figure it out? Of course there is also a manual choke. Would they ever figure that one out?
 
I only trust my dealer to work on my vehicles. Been the independent route. Never again.
Their otta be a law against BTO's. 40 acres is enough for anyone.
 

The "V-thing-a ma-bob"is jut the ticket for hooking up your trailer by yourself!Just make sure the hitch is just higher than the ball.You could be off to either side up to nearly 3 inches and the arms will center the hitch right over the ball.
 
(quoted from post at 06:22:06 11/27/17) Just saw a vid on the news of a pair of car thieves . One walks around the house with a gadget that seeks the signal of the new fangled car keys in the house . Once he gets a hook up or reading his gadget relays the code to another thief standing by the car and this gadget stores the received code and then calls the car and tells it to open the door and then once in tells it to start . Both thieves then exit the area -- one driving the stolen car and the other in there ride they cam wit. Total time was about 30 seconds. Who thinks up this new fangled crap--- what advantage is a electronic digital key ???
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So being able to steal a car with a screwdriver and a hammer in roughly the same amount of time is better?

If what you say is indeed true then the manufacturers will have no choice but to fix the problem and update the software the next time the car comes in.
 
I agree with Barnyard Engineering. Just because it is possible to steal a high tech car using high tech tools doesn't mean it is practical. I don't see to many thieves who are that smart, want to invest money in high tech tools and want to steal my basic Chevy car. If I drove a $100,000 car then I would worry about it.

I just bought a new car with the keyless ignition and door locks. Even a basic Chevy Malibu now comes with keyless ignition. I thought this is kind of silly and overkill but I am getting to like it more and more. Pretty much can't lock the keys in the car and no more digging in my pocket for a key in the wintertime with gloves on. Just get in and push start. An old gray haired guy can get used to some of this technology.
 
Even if they were able to drive away with the high tech car, what would they do with it next?

Very likely it has a tracking device, not only track it but disable it remotely.

If they made it to the chop shop, any component removed and separated from the ECM would no longer work. Each component is programed specifically to that ECM, would take some highly specific computer software to reprogram anything to work again. Most sound equipment is forever silenced if removed.

Body parts, maybe find a market for them. But if it's an exotic, top end car, that is a very specific market. Everybody knows everybody. One comes up missing, all eyes are on the look out!
 

Sometimes the thieves take a car just to go joyriding, but usually it goes straight to a chop shop and the parts are sold. The most common cars and trucks out there are also the most often stolen, because there is a higher demand for those parts.
 
High end cars are stolen for select customers . They can jam trackers see link . Then take there time in disabling the tracking system. They steal plates or some how get plates for a identical car and simpley drive it cross country . They can easy wind up across the pond -- some cars are caught in vin number checks at ports but many get through. They may just sit in a garage for a year or two till the trail goes cold .
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Spirit 6,
Amen. The tools, equipment and info are available to the independents. Most independents are actually concerned with fixing a problem. Not trying to ? make time?. Dealership techs who come to the dark side as I call it, find they like working straight time 40hrs a week and knowing what will be in their check each week. The general public has no idea what flat rates are.
 
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