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Diesel-off road

I have never heard of anyone personally getting caught in my area.
Often see diesel pickups at the corner store filling with off road diesel.
Pretty much the only way you would get caught is if someone called in on you.
I would bet the common cop on the street (not DOT) would not know there was a violation being committed if they saw it happening.
 
Sorta. We have an account with a local company to move trailers around on their yard. The guy moves something like 200 a day. We had a deal with one gas station across the road. We always used off road in the yard trucks, and still do, but now we take it there. Anyways, I had to go up there and help one day. We had the yard truck towed, and I forgot to fill it up at the station before it was unhooked from the wrecker. No big deal I thought, the regular driver drives over there all the time, so I drove over there, filled up and was crossing the road when the transport police saw me. He had already wrote out a $25000 ticket when the boss pulled up. They talked for a few minutes, boss showed him some permit of some sort, and he tore up that ticket and wrote a warning ticket.
 
I have never run any in on road vehicles but have been pulled over on the highway and they checked it. I am in central NC. Had a large farming operation close by get caught years ago and it cost them dearly. Lee
 
I was always legal but a guy I worked with used farm diesel....He got caught and it cost him over $2200 in fines...
 
I was checked back in 96 I think. I was hauling commercial and had hauled a couple loads of calves locally. No where to get fuel, so I dumped 5 gallons of dyed in. Got stopped about 3 miles from the station. Told the trooper what I had done and which tank had red fuel. He dipped both tanks. Front one was empty back one almost. He let me go without even a warning. Used to make a difference if you live 50 miles from a fuel stop and if you are honest with them.
 
Myself i have never run off road and have even stopped dumping ATF in with the fuel as it will tint if and i do not need the hassle , Been years since i have heard of them hitting the local auctions and checking . But when they did they had a field day . what you might save per year IF they get ya doing it what you thought you saved will all be out the window fast.
 
(quoted from post at 05:58:20 11/02/17) has anyone ever got caught running off road in there trucks, not a friend or uncle have YOU got caught?
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I was fueling up at a truck stop in Montana a couple years ago and a guy pulls up in a brand new Ford and filled up with offroad diesel...probably a newby and just chose the cheapest fuel :roll:
 
Never been stopped in my farm trucks, but twice with my Volkswagen diesel, stopped on 2 lane hiway just passing thru smaller town, so no one up to speed yet. West Central MN
 
I have never used off road fuel in my diesel truck, nor has my dad. There is my introductory "disclaimer" statement. We use the same accountant to do our taxes every year. Our accountant told both of us about a client of his who DID use off road fuel in his diesel pickup truck. The State charged him with the applicable taxes going back to his original purchase of the vehicle.

I DO HAVE a question, and I am going to have to probably point blank as someone from DOT on this, but I thought I would toss it out to the group since this is somewhat on the topic. I purchased a diesel barrel from my father 3 years ago. I requested just 150 gallons of winter blended ROAD USE diesel fuel to be delivered. I specifically requested ROAD USE fuel and NOT off road fuel. When I came home from work after the delivery, I was infuriated to find the fuel truck driver placed OFF ROAD USE fuel into my 500 gallon barrel. It has taken me over 2 years to use that fuel from that barrel in my diesel tractor. Undoubtedly there will be some dyed fuel in the tank, and I have decided to switch fuel suppliers based on that SNAFU. Any thoughts on documentation or proof of purchase of ROAD USE fuel in the event I am ever stopped? I want to use that barrel primarily for my yard tractor, and the little use it gets, I don't care to pay the extra taxes on the diesel fuel burned through it, but I also want to use the fuel up during the winter and spring so I can keep it fresh. Again, I know I am going to have some bit of red in the fuel from that barrel in what is left in there, and probably from the inside of the barrel.
 
I have friends and neighbors in southern Minnesota who have been stopped. Most were fine, but one was nailed and it cost him dearly. His son, who farmed at the time, told his dad to get fuel out of the barrel anytime he needed it. The man was in his 80's at the time. I do not know if he really knew better or not. When I had my first diesel car, all diesel fuel was dyed, but I cannot remember just what year it was when ROAD USE fuel became clear. I tend to think it was in the early 1990's when the first reductions in sulfur were made.
 
Back in the 60's before they changed the fuel ,Dad started driving truck and as we were farming there was a tank on the farm. He would fuel up every time he was home out of the farm tank. The supplier said he didn't care as it was all diesel.Dad was off the road before they changed things.
 
(quoted from post at 08:30:43 11/02/17) I have friends and neighbors in southern Minnesota who have been stopped. Most were fine, but one was nailed and it cost him dearly. His son, who farmed at the time, told his dad to get fuel out of the barrel anytime he needed it. The man was in his 80's at the time. I do not know if he really knew better or not. When I had my first diesel car, all diesel fuel was dyed, but I cannot remember just what year it was when ROAD USE fuel became clear. I tend to think it was in the early 1990's when the first reductions in sulfur were made.
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I know in the mid 80's my dad would always have me fill up my Cutlass Diesel when I came home to work on the farm....never a mention of 'road' diesel....
 
(quoted from post at 08:26:24 11/02/17) I was infuriated to find the fuel truck driver placed OFF ROAD USE fuel into my 500 gallon barrel. Undoubtedly there will be some dyed fuel in the tank.
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The next load of fuel will still show traces of dye as will the following load. It's a little late now but the previous fuel supplier should have removed that fuel and cleaned your tank. A trace of dye is all that is required to be fined.
 
The owner of a mom and pop truck stop near me told me he told his employees that the off road pump only gets turned on if the fuel is going in a tractor, skid steer, or can. Absolutely no trucks. He said if the DOT can prove where the fuel came from, the station gets fined $10K.
 
I have had my fuel sampled on two occasions. Once in Idaho, I was pulling a gooseneck trailer with a one ton dually. Once in Michigan, I was driving a 110 ton all terrain crane. Both stops were at scales and both times it was an IRS officer that did the sampling. Both times I had the correct fuel, so no problems. Ron.
 
The fuel is all the same,the dye is add at the terminal. I have had farm fuel delivered that was clear because the terminal did not add the dye. Both are hauled in the same tankers so cross contamination is possible.
 
(quoted from post at 05:58:20 11/02/17) has anyone ever got caught running off road in there trucks, not a friend or uncle have YOU got caught?
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Nope never caught cause I never ran off road. I was checked twice when I had a diesel pickup. Both roadside checks being conducted by the state. Have been flagged into those stops driving a gas pickup but get turned loose as soon as they know it's a gasser.

Rick
 
Over 300,000 miles on my diesel pickup, never had my tanks dipped, never burned a drop of dyed fuel either. Been stopped a couple times exceeding the speed limit but never got a ticket that cost me or gave me points on my license.

Now driving a BIG truck never had tanks checked either, got about one speeding ticket a year, got put out of service once due to an air leak. Local plumbing/heating company pulled leaking air line off and made a new duplicate. Closest truck repair shop was in a different time zone! Only ran in to a set of portable scales one time in almost 1,000,000 miles of driving. I wasn't over-loaded with my 8248 pounds of empty 2-1/2 gal Round-Up jugs in cardboard boxes on slipdheets. DOT cops would not believe I was loaded even with a seal on the trailer doors. So they wrote me up for a leaking oil seal on my left front drive axle, had three tiny specs of oil on back of cab and one slender stripe of oil down the inside sidewall of the inside left front tire.
 
The MTO..... our transportation department.....is sneaky over here. They park by the exits at farm shows and sample every diesels fuel. Ben
 
(quoted from post at 15:03:48 11/02/17) Question - If I use a diesel tractor to transport product on the road, does it have to have on road diesel?
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In PA you are good running "implements of husbandry" on the road hauling with dyed fuel. Good for "registration exempt" trucks(ones with the sticker on the door and no license plate)too. Trucks with "farm" plates still need over the road fuel.
 
I've been pulled over twice while passing portable scales. Once in Illinois and once in Indiana. The first time I was like what the heck, it's a pickup and found out what the deal was when they dipped the tank. Second time I knew the deal. They even looked under to make sure that the tank in the bed marked "Farm Diesel" wasn't plumbed to my truck. By me there's only one place left that sells it, the Co-Op. There used to be a CitCo just up over the border that did, and it was handy because you could ride the tractor right to the pump, but they quit selling it about a decade ago. Never asked them why. I've never tried red in my truck tanks. I hear getting caught can be expensive.

Mark
 

Not me but my friend who used to own an oil company got hit very hard some 15 years ago. He told that he filled his truck service tank from his truck mounted tank. The truck has two separate tanks. He did not flush the hose from the prior delivery of heating oil so his clear diesel had red tint. He got fined for his total storage CAPACITY.
 
With the price of diesel going up 20 cents a gallon as of Nov 1, I think trucks may be checked here in California more often. Off road diesel from what I hear is not going to change in price. Stan
 
I've been checked twice in my F-550 diesel at DOT checks.Also they used to come in at the concrete plant and check all the licensed diesel vehicles every so often.We could have refused but they'd of just checked once we hit the street and we ran legal fuel anyway never had a problem.We even ran on road fuel in the loaders,forklifts etc and filed for the tax back just to make sure no off road got into any trucks by mistakes.
 


I have seen the NYS Dept of Taxation at some of our DOT road checks dipping tanks. I never saw anyone get caught, but they were out there.
 
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