How will they clean up a flooded home?

Geo-TH,In

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Usually the first thing they do is remove everything in home from flood level, carpet, drywall, insulation, kitchen cabinets, everything goes.

My question is how will they clean up a brick home, clean the space between the brick and the exterior wall. The flood waters may have toxic chemicals, sewage, and pathogens. Is a brick building a total loss?

After our 2008 flood. Only 10 inches of rain, nothing like Tx flood. Many places that went under, people just walked away from their homes. Some are still empty. A brick nursing home got demolished after they spent weeks trying to clean it up.

So how will they get all the mold out of brick homes?
 
George, some homes will be abandoned. If owners have the resources, a total gut, dry out and disinfecting followed by reconstruction. Long, expensive process.
 
These houses were flooded in Columbus during the 08 flood. I took theses from work,we had 4ft of water in most of our building.
 
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How do you walk away from a house that you have a mortage on? I know the homeowner is legally responsible for payments but what recourse does the lending party have for nonpayment on destroyed property?
 
Just as Logan has said.A brick home total gut to the studs, disinfection,a drying period .depending on the height of the water,(above wall sockets,switches} some will require rewiring due to future corrosion.
 
(quoted from post at 08:10:58 09/05/17) They go after the owner and garnish their wages/assets or force them into bankruptcy.

May I ask how a lending institution other than maybe the Federal Govt(FHA) can garnish wages/assets?
 
(quoted from post at 06:20:17 09/05/17)
(quoted from post at 08:10:58 09/05/17) They go after the owner and garnish their wages/assets or force them into bankruptcy.

May I ask how a lending institution other than maybe the Federal Govt(FHA) can garnish wages/assets?

Court order. Basically they sue. If they when they demand payment. If the owner still doesn't pay they go back to court and get the judge to order their wages garnished.

Rick
 
I couldn't imagine going through something like that. My cousin got hit by a storm earlier this year that ripped some shingles off his roof. Rain water ran down his wall and into his bathroom to his basement. Took the better part of $10,000 to fix. I can only imagine what a house being submerged in water would do.
 
Wife mentioned again last night about how their house would flood every year in the Spring, yet they kept living there. I reminded her that the river water wasn't full of chemicals and sewage. Can't even begin to imagine how rank the water was during Harvey or Katrina. What gets me is to see videos/news reports of idiots out playing in that nasty mess.

As for brick homes, once the drywall is removed, they also have to remove enough of the plywood/OSB sheathing to be able to suck out excess water and allow the wood to dry. They will pressure-wash all the wood and use a special disinfectant, suck all that out, then force air through to allow for drying. Even with all this, there's no guarantee that the house won't still have to be razed.

If a particular flood area did not have much for chemicals or sewage, then they may try allowing the structure to drain and dry out naturally, as brick cladding has weep holes (slots) and are supposed to be designed to allow for the walls to dry out.
 
(quoted from post at 06:10:58 09/05/17) They go after the owner and garnish their wages/assets or force them into bankruptcy.

Very unlikely, almost unheard of. The asset which secures the home loan is in fact, just the home. Since there is a mortgage, the owner must keep insurance on the home. If the lender does not require flood insurance, the the FEMA flood policy is the last resort for financial support(BTW, the flood insurance for FEMA is now BK, and we haven't started Harvey claims yet). If the owner walks away, the only security the lender has is the underlying asset. Private property, not related to the home is protected from asset seizure in almost all cases.

During the recession of 07-08, there were plenty of people who were upside down on their mortgage, and plenty of them just mailed the keys to the lender and sent a letter; "I disclaim any rights of ownership in 1000 Cherry ln, Anytown, ST." This is a reverse foreclosure and there is no recourse for the bank/lender except to accept the asset for which the loan was written.
 
A brick home has a 1 inch cavity between the brick and wall behind it that allows moisture to drain out year round. After a flood the drywall and insulation is removed inside and the backing material will dry, therefore no mold. I have seen many houses done this way in many floods here in Houston.
It's funny the way the news talks about chemicals and contaminated water. Do you realize how diluted it would be? When there is a drought here and the creeks still have water in them where do you think that water comes from? All the sewer plants upstream is where.
 
In a lot of cases, bankruptcy is almost certain. Keep in mind the owners also lost any equity they might have had in the home, as well as most of their personal possessions. It's not an easy road for the bank or the owner, because there is almost no value in anything thats left...
 
If you remove the rock and insulation the framing will just dry out. It might be necessary to spray it with bleach to kill some mold but it should pretty much take care of itself. Suppose it had a little hazardous waste soak into the framing. Once you insulate it again and put up fresh rock over it the contaminate will stay in the wall. It's the person doing the restoration that may be at risk and a little common sense should eliminate that threat.
 
Our valley had a bad flood several years ago. Alot of what has to be done will be the local home inspector for your town / city / county.
Can't get back in until they give the okay
The fine mud and sand got into the wiring so all wiring had to be replaced
Bleach does not kill ALL the mold on POUROUS material like wood
Bleach will kill mold growing on non-porous surfaces like glass, tiles, bathtubs and counter tops. However bleach cannot completely kill mold growing in non-porous materials like drywall and wood.
All insurances will be a pain even if you have flood insurance
Mountains of trash everywhere
We helped many neighbors thru this awful time...heart breaking
 
Unheard of? Where have you been? Anyone that makes a payroll has been dealing with this for years.


I'm sure lots of people thought they could just mail in their keys and walk away from their home and debt but reality is you still owe a substantial amount of money on the home and all that paperwork that you signed on closing is your agreement to pay that debt back. Its just a like having your car repossessed - you still owe the difference between what the car was worth (or sold for) and what was owed.

Many times a bank will write off the loan if they know they are dealing with deadbeats because as the saying goes you can't get blood out of a turnip. But middle classed homeowners with substantial incomes will be paying on those debts for years. They can't declare bankruptcy or only get limited relief from bankruptcy because their income is substantial enough to make the payments. Some states, such as California, are "non-recourse" and don't allow deficiency judgments. But, even there, if the original loan was refinanced, some or all of it may be subject to claims.



https://www.credit.com/debt/understanding-your-foreclosure-rights/

Foreclosure actions wipe out some of the property owner?s debt, like the original mortgage (taken out at the time of purchase), home equity loans (HELOCs), and second mortgages. However, property owners are still obligated to pay HELOCs and second mortgages off in full if they are not paid out of the foreclosure proceeds.

In markets where there has been a significant drop in real estate prices, some properties will be sold for less than the balance owed on the original loan. If there is no insurance protecting the mortgage holder (e.g., private mortgage insurance, or PMI) for the difference between what is owed on the property and what it sold for, a court could enter a deficiency judgment against the property owner. Deficiency judgments obligate the property owner to repay the difference and give mortgage holders the right to collect the remainder of the debt owed from any other assets the property owner may have.


From CNN:


Because of falling home prices, borrowers who always paid their mortgage but who have run into unforeseen circumstances -- like unemployment or a job transfer -- can no longer sell their homes for what they owe. As a result, they are being forced to short sell or foreclose and are getting caught up in deficiency judgments.

"After the banks foreclose, it's very common now to have large deficiencies with houses not worth the balances owed," said Don Lampe, a North Carolina real estate attorney.

Lenders mostly declined comment. Although Corey's lender, BB&T did indicate it was pursuing more deficiency judgments.

"They follow the rise and fall of foreclosures," said the spokeswoman, who would not discuss Corey's account.

Can they come after you?

Whether banks can and will pursue deficiency judgments depends on many factors, including what state the borrower lives in and whether there's a second mortgage or other liens. But if borrowers ignore the possibility of deficiencies, it could haunt them.

"Once they have a judgment, they can pursue you anywhere," said Richard Zaretsky, a board-certified real estate attorney in West Palm Beach, Fla. "They can ask for financial records, have your wages garnished and, if you fail to respond, a judge can put you in jail."

In the case of foreclosure, lenders can pursue deficiencies in more than 30 states, including Florida, New York and Texas, according to the U.S. Foreclosure Network, an organization of mortgage law firms.

Deficiency judgments on short sales and deeds-in-lieu can happen in many more places. In these cases, extinguishing the debt is often a matter of negotiating with the bank.

But even when lenders are willing, many borrowers may not be aware that they have to ask for release. So, if you are pursuing a short sale, be sure your attorney asks the bank to release you from any further obligation.

"People shouldn't have a false sense of security that a deficiency judgment may not be later sought," Zaretsky said.

He expects many will be filed over the next few years, based on the fact that banks have sold many of these accounts to collection agencies and other third parties, at discount.

"The parties who bought those notes wouldn't have paid money for them unless they had the intention of acting," Zaretsky said.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/03/real_estate/foreclosure_deficiency_judgement/
 
Agreed for many people it is almost certainly bankruptcy. But what happens when the person has a substantial income? Bankruptcy may not generate the relief that one would imagine if the lenders can demonstrate the owner can make the payments even if it reduces them to living in a cheap apartment while they pay off a house that no longer exists. Only half the debt may be extinguished while they are still on the hook for the remaining portion.
 
I read this article, but had to cut out some of it to pass the POOF test.

In the wake of the massive flooding and destruction caused by Hurricane Harvey along the Gulf Coast, some officials are considering requiring to build higher ground in flood-prone areas as the government prepares to spend billions of dollars in response to the storm.

Again, I had to remove names to make it Poof Proof. So if this comes to pass, cleaning up is only half your problem.

I hope building inspectors and board of health will test flooded homes to make sure they are safe to live in.

I don't think I would ever buy a home that was flooded with 4 ft of water.
geo
 
Water wicks in sheetrock and insulation. So if you had 6 inches of water you need to remove 4 feet of sheetrock and insulation.
While you can leave the wiring if it was not under water all the sockets and switches should be replaced.
Strip it down to the studs and spray with a mold disinfectant. Bleach will not work.
Run fans 24/7 trying to dry everything out.
Brick homes have weep holes in the bricks so it drains from between the siding and brick.
I have seen them gut houses down to the nothing but the framing because it had water up into the attic.

For areas that were not in the FEMA flood plane so the banks did not require flood insurance.
That is where the bailout money goes. While it does not make them whole it helps because even a gutted house is worth something.
You hear things like "We can not let whole neighborhoods fail. That would be detrimental to the community."
 

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