USS Tinosa June 24 1943

American submarine USS Tinosa fired 12 torpedoes at an enemy target. 11 of them failed to explode.
After a year and a half of dismal performance, this event - and the near mutiny of several of the our top sub commanders - was one of the last straws when it came to making the Navy finally realize there was a flaw in the firing mechanism of the Mark 14 torpedo.
By fall of 43 BuOrd had gotten over it's hubris and fixed the contact exploder and other problems with this torpedo, with devastating results for the Japanese fleet.
Mark 14

I don't recall the title but there is a book that covers the Mark 14 torpedo and the Mark 6 exploder that I read years ago. A lot of the problems were seemingly covered up by senior brass who had been in on the development with the sub captains and crews taking the blame for the failure. Men who laid their lives on the line had their careers destroyed and others died because of that torpedo's flaws while the senior brass got away with the cover up.

Rick

Some experts were not to bright in the military. Hedy Lamarr invented a way to guide torpedo,s. That could not be blocked. The Navy experts laughed at
her. She gave us cell phones and many other things based on her invention.

The German Tanks of WWII were designed by an American. The Army experts laughed at him. Told him we have a better tank being built. The Ronson
Sherman. So he sold the idea to the Germans. Found an article about it years ago in an Army tanker magazine. We also had an expert that said. The Atom
bomb was a waste of time. Would never work. I think he was wrong.

There was a John Wayne movie that touched on this. I think it was Operation Pacific.

all things said Bu Ord was run by the "Gun Club" officers from the battleship and cruiser Navy. They tended to look down on the sub service and carrier fleet.

> Some experts were not to bright in the military. Hedy Lamarr invented a way to guide torpedo,s. That could not be blocked. The Navy experts laughed at
her. She gave us cell phones and many other things based on her invention.

Although Hedy Lamarr did patent a technique we now call "spread-spectrum communications", her contributions to that technology are overstated. Her invention was not practical to implement with 1940s technology. Interestingly, modern remotely-guided torpedoes are not radio-controlled but rather wire-guided. Not only are wire-guided torpedoes and missiles virtually jam-proof, wire guidance could have been implemented in the 1940s.

Your anecdote regarding an American selling his tank design to Germany is dubious. German tank design was very much an evolution, starting with under-gunned and under-armored models in the early days of WWII up to the heavy Panther and Tiger tanks used at the end of the war. When the Germans encountered British, American and Soviet tanks, they studied them and incorporated what they learned into their own designs. The heavy German tanks were notoriously unreliable and (fortunately for the allies) Germany wasn't able to produce enough of them.

To be more correct about the tank part, The germans took a suspension design that the U.S. rejected from a fellow named Christie (I think spelled right) the design used on the panther and tiger tanks.

> The germans took a suspension design that the U.S. rejected from a fellow named Christie (I think spelled right) the design used on the panther and tiger tanks.

According to this Wikipedia article, the Christie suspension was used on a number of British and Soviet tanks, but not on any German designs. The Panther and Tiger tank suspensions look similar to the Christie from the outside, but rely on torsion bars rather than coil springs.
Christie tank suspension

MarkB That article was from a US Army magazine. I was just repeating what was in the article. But after 23 years in the military. I could believe it was true. I have seen some real screw ups.The F35 is the latest. I believe 15 years in development and it still doesn't work. Saw the news this morning. The Marines have grounded the F35 fleet. Something about the computer shutting down in flight.

My brother was an Air Force weapons crew chief. Was with a test group at White Sands years ago. Replacing the A10 with the F16. Three F16 drones lost A10 still going. I hear the new carrier with the rail gun cats. Can't get fully loaded planes off the deck.

In spite of the bungling manufactureres and the bungling generals we won the war. Only because God was on our side. Will God be on our side in world war three? Unless America repents and turns back to God and stops killing unborn babies I don't think so.

> In spite of the bungling manufactureres and the bungling generals we won the war. Only because God was on our side.

Hmm, the Germans and Italians thought he was on THEIR side. Are you saying the Lord sided with the godless Soviet Union against two of the most religious nations on earth?

I'll also note that ISIS and al Qaida both insist he's taken their side against the western infidels.

> That article was from a US Army magazine....I have seen some real screw ups.

Is it possible that article was yet another screw-up?

Could have been. I have no idea.Just what I read. Two I know are real because I was there.

Two fully armed Cobras sitting on the pad. The three guys guarding them had no ammo.
Saw an M1 Abrams prototype. Leave the MATES center at north Ft Hood. Made it five miles down the tank trail. Then stopped. It sucked up so much dirt it choked the engines out.

On the judgment day we will find out who's religion had the real God and who's religion had the little god. (satan)

> On the judgment day we will find out who's religion had the real God and who's religion had the little god. (satan)

You didn't answer the question. If God picks sides, why did he pick the side of the atheist Soviets in WWII?

BTW, Jews, Christians, nnalert and even Mormons like Mitt the Robot profess to worship the same god.

I was a MK14-3a "expert LOL) 1960-64 aboard USS Atule SS403! Fired many exercise fish, recovered them, overhauled them in the Fwd Torpedo room, and fired them again. Lots of fun, looking at it from 50 years ago!

IT IS WORSE THAN THE F-111 AARDVARK, ROBERT MCNAMARAS ONE SIZE FITS ALL, ALL OVER AGAIN...PITIFUL, & U PAY FOR IT...
BE BLESSED, GRATEFUL, PREPARED, NIK VIET VET 66-67, PILOT 56 YRS

if you look real close to the tank that John Walter Christie designed it looks almost like the T-34 that the Soviet made and are still being used today is some countries. North Korea still uses them.

OH, most armor historians agree the the T-34 was the best tank in WWII

The M-113 that i patrolled the inner German Border during the cold war had christie type suspension.

Ssg Bass, Armor
USA, (ret)