Ultradog MN
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Interesting little read about her capture.
I sure would like to get down to Chi Town
some day to see it.
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I sure would like to get down to Chi Town
some day to see it.
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MarkB_MI
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MarkB_MI
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Good article. It doesn't mention the real coup of the U-505 capture, which was the Enigma machine on board, as well as two German homing torpedoes.
We saw the U-boat a few years ago. It's pretty interesting, although I felt like we were rushed through it. The USS Silversides, a WWII sub, is docked in Muskegon, MI and you can roam freely through it.
There's an interesting book called "Shadow Divers" that describes the discovery and exploration of a sunken U-boat off the coast of New England. The first diver to enter the sub prepared by going to Chicago and going through U-505 as many times as he could. Highly recommended.
We saw the U-boat a few years ago. It's pretty interesting, although I felt like we were rushed through it. The USS Silversides, a WWII sub, is docked in Muskegon, MI and you can roam freely through it.
There's an interesting book called "Shadow Divers" that describes the discovery and exploration of a sunken U-boat off the coast of New England. The first diver to enter the sub prepared by going to Chicago and going through U-505 as many times as he could. Highly recommended.
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coonie minnie
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The sub (and the rest of the museum) is definitely worth a visit. When I was a kid, the sub was outside, but today it is moved inside in a VERY impressive exhibit that features u 505, as well as a lot on WWII on the high seas.
Mike(NEOhio)
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Thanks, Udog. Interesting story. The USS Cod is docked in Cleveland and open for tours. Not quite as impressive as U-505 but it rescued the crew from a grounded Dutch sub. They give a guided tour then let you roam the boat freely. The four engines were built by Cleveland Diesel, formerly Winton Motors, and the forerunner of GM Detroit. Worth a stop if you're ever travelling I-90. Grandkids playing on the 5 inch wet gun.
I "rode the smoke boats" (WWII diesel-electric subs) for 5 years 1959-64. Never a feeling of claustrophobia, although I could spin a few tales of bad dives! very high morale and hard hitting crew. Most of my Chief Petty Officers wore combat dolphins. If you know anything about military history, picture being a submarine torpedoman aboard a "smoke boat" out of Key West October 1962.
farmerwithmutt
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Lots of things happened on the lake u.s. submarines were built in Wisconsin and shipped down the Mississippi through the Illinois ship canel. Recent special on a t.v feature aircraft traing was done on the great lakes with a couple old side paddle ships. There trying now to recover the planes that missed and went in apparently they were in good shape but some new invasive critter is working on them . The chicago museums are great and will worth a stop.
coonie minnie
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One other thing... If you go see U505, then go tour an American sub. As an example, there is one in Manitowoc WI.
The German sub seems decades behind the US ones built only a couple of years later. Perhaps just as deadly, but still quite crude in comparison.
The German sub seems decades behind the US ones built only a couple of years later. Perhaps just as deadly, but still quite crude in comparison.
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Dude we heard you the first time!!! You don't need to spam every thread in the forums.
Bingo, Mark.
The capture of the enigma machine was enormously valuable in turning the tide in the Battle of the Atlantic.
I find it fascinating that neither the Germans nor the Japanese ever accepted the facts that their codes had been broken, resulting in enormous advantage for the Allies.
Though the ultimate outcome was never in doubt from a historical perspective, one wonders how much longer it would have taken for the Allies to prevail if the codes had not been broken.
Dean
The capture of the enigma machine was enormously valuable in turning the tide in the Battle of the Atlantic.
I find it fascinating that neither the Germans nor the Japanese ever accepted the facts that their codes had been broken, resulting in enormous advantage for the Allies.
Though the ultimate outcome was never in doubt from a historical perspective, one wonders how much longer it would have taken for the Allies to prevail if the codes had not been broken.
Dean
old
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The Nutalius (sp) is a former diesel boat that was converted to nuke and is still part of the fleet because it was the fist nuke sub built. Back in the 70s it was stationed at Groton CT. That base had a number of Jap subs like the 2 man ones with the sides cut out so you could look at them and how tight the space was in them. Spent a couple of years on that base back in the 70s when I was in the navy and lots if sub info there
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Ultradog MN
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Yes, you were there during the height of the Cuban Missle Crisis. Would have been interesting to say the least.
My first ship was the Howard W Gilmore AS 16.
Went aboard in Key West in Jan of 72. We were still servicing those old "smoke boats" for another year then they decomissioned them all and sold several to the Argentines. The Brits were worried during the Falklands War because they knew those old subs were still in service.
I was on/in many subs - both the old diesel boats and later the nuke jobs. Was a machinest so we had to help the MMs take tings apart or take measurements, etc. Always tried to time it so we were there at chow time. We ate good but you 'bubbleheads'ate better.
I never put to sea on one. Just onboard as they were tied up to us.
Thank you for your service.
My first ship was the Howard W Gilmore AS 16.
Went aboard in Key West in Jan of 72. We were still servicing those old "smoke boats" for another year then they decomissioned them all and sold several to the Argentines. The Brits were worried during the Falklands War because they knew those old subs were still in service.
I was on/in many subs - both the old diesel boats and later the nuke jobs. Was a machinest so we had to help the MMs take tings apart or take measurements, etc. Always tried to time it so we were there at chow time. We ate good but you 'bubbleheads'ate better.
I never put to sea on one. Just onboard as they were tied up to us.
Thank you for your service.
Pete in MD
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old
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If that was true they lied to us in sub school because they flat out told us it was a former diesel boat converted to nuke
Dune Country
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was a show on the Discovery channel. impossible engineering (IIRC) that talked about the first russian nuke sub, 2 toilets and one shower for 75 crewmen!!
Steve@Advance
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That's definitely on my bucket list!
Good article, thanks!
Good article, thanks!
Steve@Advance
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coonie, I'm surprised to hear that. Always thought the German subs would be ahead of our technology.
I've been through the Cavalla in Galveston several times. I felt very confined in there, didn't appear to be much in the way of comfort, just the basics, shared bunks, close quarters.
That ship was put in service in 44, 4 years newer than the U505!
I sure want to get to see that some day, lots of good museums up that way I want to see!
I've been through the Cavalla in Galveston several times. I felt very confined in there, didn't appear to be much in the way of comfort, just the basics, shared bunks, close quarters.
That ship was put in service in 44, 4 years newer than the U505!
I sure want to get to see that some day, lots of good museums up that way I want to see!
Pete in MD
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It's true, no doubt about it.
They gave you bum dope or your recollection is faulty or maybe you misunderstood what they said.
They gave you bum dope or your recollection is faulty or maybe you misunderstood what they said.
old
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Well we where looking right at it at the time we where told. The instructor said it was a diesel boat that they cut in half and put in the reactor. But at that time it could also have started as a diesel boat but in mid build been turned into a nuke before it left the ship yard which would still make it a diesel boat turned into nuke
In June 1944 very few German submarines ever returned from patrol. Radar and constant air patrol had rendered them pretty much useless. Running days on end with only the snorkel letting air in while the diesel engines slowly poisoned the air in the sub with their leaking exhaust. Early in the war the boats spent 70% to 80% of their time on surface, by mid 1944 they might spend a few hours on the surface for a select number of days.
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