Working with kids!#@%$

tomstractorsandtoys · May 30, 2017

Today we put our first cutting of hay in the silo. My 16 year old runs the chopper and I unload. Things went fairly good untill this evening. I bought a different blower (56 IH) to replace the old 66 Deere we had. I bought it at a sale for $75 and it worked great all day for me. This evening my 21 year old son shows up to help some. I had three loads setting and the silo was almost full. I went after a verticle till that we are going to use tomorrow. All they had to do was unload three wagons!!! I get home to find one load still setting and here about how my new blower that worked great for me is just no good. They plugged the pipe twice(with someone in the top of the silo(really how can they not pay better attention).Now my new blower has a fan paddle ticking that was not ticking before. Now they are both here fighting and blaming everything on the other one. If you have one boy you have a boy,if you have two boys you 1/2 a boy and I have been told if you have three you do not have anything. Sorry for the rant. Tom

kcm.MN · May 30, 2017

Guess I'm in bad shape then - it's just me, myself and I. ...Thank God for the better half! *lol*

john *.?-!.* cub owner · May 30, 2017

Just remember who raised and trained them.

Brendon Warren · May 31, 2017

Old dog sticks to the path. Young pup sticks to the trail.

Mike M · May 31, 2017

How old is that blower ? A very good chance they did nothing wrong and it just fell apart.

showcrop · May 31, 2017

I think that it pretty normal for a young guy to push equipment a little just to see how fast they can get the job done. I was driving truck for my friends doing a paving job yesterday. We put down 300 tons. They had a new kid on the job. What a bull!! He kept filling his wheelbarrow too full, and I told him the he was not getting paid enough to push that much. At the end of the day as we were loading up he was sitting on the grass rubbing his knee. He is recovering from knee surgery!!

coonie minnie · May 31, 2017

If you think an IH 56 is "new", I'm not sure it is totally the kids' fault. Good judgement only comes from experience. Experience only comes from bad judgement. They need to learn a little on their own. You never did something like that???

tomstractorsandtoys · May 31, 2017

Actually the little 56 was very nice. We bag most of our feed and only fill two 14x40's each year so it is a little hard to justify an expensive blower for that much. I guess my rant is that if I would have been here everything would have got done with no problems. It just seems when the two boys are together things go down hill fast and it is always the other ones fault. I was an only child so maybe that is the problem. Tom

Brown Swiss · May 31, 2017

I might want to take a step back and look at things more before judging! Hay silage is a bugger some times, so you probably ran 15 to 18 loads in to it already (I have a 14x40) and most likely pipe and blower are sticky. Then add in that not much room left in top for it and a young feller in a bit of a hurry who needs to learn things the hard way. So I can see it!

dhermesc · May 31, 2017

So you bought a $75 piece of equipment that isn't working correctly?

Brown Swiss · May 31, 2017

Would not be to hard to find a good blower for $75 around here! Every one is going away from silos so no need for them!

buickanddeere · May 31, 2017

Par for the course here. Wife and kids will smash any peice of equipmemt in a few hours or days that had been trouble free for years. The s.o.b's do it so they are not asked to help again.

coonie minnie · May 31, 2017

Be glad you have two kids to help you... and if the two boys didn't blame one another, then you'd know something as wrong! It is the nature of siblings. And it could have been worse... what if you left the two of them, and came back and there had been an accident???

coonie minnie · May 31, 2017

Be glad you have two kids to help you... and if the two boys didn't blame one another, then you'd know something as wrong! It is the nature of siblings. And it could have been worse... what if you left the two of them, and came back and there had been an accident??? If the worst that happened was a ticking paddle, you don't have much trouble.

oldtanker · May 31, 2017

Too many questions. 1 as stated a blower or any piece of equipment that says just IH on it isn't anywhere near new. 2 boy? At 21 he should be a man. Lot of the 21 year old boys or girls in our area are still acting like kids because of the way they were raised. 3 if every time you leave your 2 sons working together something happens why do you leave them together? Brother who happen to be together who get along generally either start horsing around, if they don't get along arguing. That means they ain't paying attention to the task at hand. Leaving them unsupervised is the fault of the [b:44fb31b3a6]supervisor[/b:44fb31b3a6].

Look at the good side. A young MAN, 21 years old, stopped by most likely after work to help out his old man. I'm sure there are other things he'd like to be doing, fishing, chasing girls, swimming, chasing girls, hanging out with friends, chasing girls...... Another kid, 16, who most likely has friends and other things he'd rather be doing was there helping (from the sounds of things by force) his ungrateful old man. Bet he too would have rather been doing his imitation of a bull just turned out with the heifers and been chasing girls too.

Rick

tim s · May 31, 2017

I have heard that phrase about Boys before, and it is true :^) We have worked with a lot of young boys over the years and it takes some time and patents to get them going in the right direction,,some have natural ability and some don't. We have seen the same thing with older people too,,Darn it...as my Dad got older he would not look around as much when backing up..or turning...or noticing that the plow drifted down on the way home..it seems that there is a time in our Mid-Life where we are at our best,, the beginning time and the latter time we are learning...and.. unlearning... The most important thing is to do our best to keep them alive and unhurt...Some of the Major "Screw-ups" are part of a Fun story latter on... Since I am the oldest of my family now I could fill a book up with all kinds of good story's...and the best ones were not so Funny at the time..

westga · May 31, 2017

Remember, some kids learn everything the easy way and some of us had to learn everything the hard way. That just the way it is.

chuck2015 · May 31, 2017

(quoted from post at 06:20:33 05/31/17) I have heard that phrase about Boys before, and it is true :^) We have worked with a lot of young boys over the years and it takes some time and patents to get them going in the right direction,,some have natural ability and some don't. We have seen the same thing with older people too,,Darn it...as my Dad got older he would not look around as much when backing up..or turning...or noticing that the plow drifted down on the way home..it seems that there is a time in our Mid-Life where we are at our best,, the beginning time and the latter time we are learning...and.. unlearning... The most important thing is to do our best to keep them alive and unhurt...Some of the Major "Screw-ups" are part of a Fun story latter on... Since I am the oldest of my family now I could fill a book up with all kinds of good story's...and the best ones were not so Funny at the time..

I saw this happen with my grandfather and later on my own father could not do anything right it seemed. My grandfather would try to bale and always was a disaster...never looked behind to see if the bales were good, could not follow a windrow at all. missed most of the hay. He finally quit trying which spared a lot of tempers.

paul · May 31, 2017

I fully understand what you are saying, and how you are saying it.

Thanks for the smile.

Paul

Craig2 · May 31, 2017

I went through about a 6 or 8 month stage when I was 19 or 20 where everything I touched fell apart. I either couldn't get anything right or
it fell apart in my hands. It seemed like the harder I tried the worst things got. It was extremely frustrating for me and the guys I worked
with. I was working for an excavating contractor at the time, thankfully he showed me some grace and didn't fire me. Fast forward 20 years or
so and my oldest son is now helping me do things around the house. This kid is number 4 in his class but don't have a lick of common sense. I
am not wired that way and it is really frustrating for me. I have showed him how to change the oil in my wife's van at least 6 or 8 times.
Sent him out one day to do it on his own. Went out 30 minutes later and oil is not even drained yet. Ask him why? He said he couldn't find
the 13mm wrench. Never dawned on him to get a 13mm socket. Stuff like that over and over again. Bad thing is I had the poor kid scared to
death to do anything because I would yell at him. I had to back off and let him figure things out on his own. As long as he wasn't going to
get hurt. Took me the better part of a year to get him to come out of that. He is 16 now and is getting pretty sharp on stuff. I just have to
give him very clear directions or he will over analyze the task at hand.

centash · May 31, 2017

For $75, buy another blower and tell them the old one just broke and keep peace in the family. You may NEED their help someday......Ben

ss55 · May 31, 2017

Free help should not be taken for granted or it might never be offered again. Paid help still needs some training and supervision.

Dick2 · May 31, 2017

Remember this old saying: "Be nice to your kids; someday they will choose your nursing home."

Ken Macfarlane · May 31, 2017

Two buddies of mine are brothers. I recall one time long ago the two of them in the middle of a 10 acre field yelling at each other. Each in a tractor, neither willing to backup or turn so the other could go past. I was in the truck with their father who lost his temper after about 5 minutes of watching this.

rrlund · May 31, 2017

I remember those days. I told the boy that was chopping to help his brother hook on so he didn't get a load chopped and have to wait so long for an empty. Nope. As soon as the wagon was hooked to the chopper,away he went. Then I told him not to put too heavy a load on that one wagon because it was getting weak all the way around. What's he do? Rounds it right up. Then we were down to two wagons.

Takes a while to fill silo alone now,but I have nobody to blame but myself when something goes wrong.

1948CaseVAI · May 31, 2017

You made me smile because you are just like my Dad was. Which is exactly why when I was 14 I went to town and got a job at the local livestock auction cleaning pens, fixing corral fence, sanding the ring, and loading trucks on sale day.

That next weekend when Dad tried to give me marching orders for Saturday it felt good to say "Sorry, no can do, I have to go to work!"

tomstractorsandtoys · May 31, 2017

That sounds like my two. The oldest admitted that he was pushing everything because his brother was up in the silo and he wanted to cover him up. The youngest then says that he let it plug the second time just to get at his brother who was unloading to fast. This morning we put another load and a half in and I unloaded nice and slow while watching for any hand signals from the top. No problems. Why can't they just learn to work together? I was an only child so me and Dad worked together with very few problems. Tom

super77d · May 31, 2017

Nice way to talk about your WIFE and KIDS!

dhermesc · May 31, 2017

I'm sure they say the same about him.

farmerwithmutt · May 31, 2017

When i was farming i always tried to get girls as hired help.I found out the hard way boys only want to find out two things how fast it can go and how much power it's got.Never had that problem with a girl they generally were easier on equipment.

EFV · May 31, 2017

I wasn't smart enough to take job off the farm but +1000 on what you said !

wildcat445 · May 31, 2017

Seems to me like those boys are acorns that have not fallen far from the oak. They behaved like they were taught.

Bob in SD · May 31, 2017

One boy's worth half a man, two boys ain't worth a dam.

kcm.MN · May 31, 2017

(quoted from post at 15:41:43 05/31/17) Seems to me like those boys are acorns that have not fallen far from the oak. They behaved like they were taught.

Not necessarily so. Had a sis grew up in a good home only to get into drugs. Spent more time running away than doing anything worthwhile.

These days, with the heavy influence of school, TV and internet, there's no telling how kids will turn out these days. I think about the only way to have the best chances of a kid growing up right would be to severely limit their exposure to ALL of these other things, until they can at least have the chance to learn what matters most in life; truth, honesty, sincerity, helping others, etc.

Nowdays, most parents ship their kids off to school in Pre-School, and then barely see them at night. No more dinner table as everyone is eating something different. It's a mad world out there!

coonie minnie · May 31, 2017

Sounds like they are "learning" right now! And it sounds like they both came clean. Just remember, nobody got hurt. What they are doing is a dangerous job. An old neighbor lost a daughter topping a silo...

showcrop · May 31, 2017

(quoted from post at 17:34:08 05/31/17)

(quoted from post at 15:41:43 05/31/17) Seems to me like those boys are acorns that have not fallen far from the oak. They behaved like they were taught.

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Not necessarily so. Had a sis grew up in a good home only to get into drugs. Spent more time running away than doing anything worthwhile.

These days, with the heavy influence of school, TV and internet, there's no telling how kids will turn out these days. I think about the only way to have the best chances of a kid growing up right would be to severely limit their exposure to ALL of these other things, until they can at least have the chance to learn what matters most in life; truth, honesty, sincerity, helping others, etc.

Nowdays, most parents ship their kids off to school in Pre-School, and then barely see them at night. No more dinner table as everyone is eating something different. It's a mad world out there!

One of the most important things in raising kids is a good peer group. I read an article in the paper a few years ago that a kid that is active in a Christian youth group was 82% less likely to get into trouble than those that aren't. Now you can list all the hundreds of exceptions to this that you want but you are not going to find odds HALF that good anywhere else.

kcm.MN · May 31, 2017

....Guess I'm having a really bad day with words!

I believe that's what I was trying to say. If kids can be protected from as much bad/negative influence, and instead have access to better ideals, then when they inevitably hit the "real world" then they should already have a good "core values" base to guide them.

Pete in MD · May 31, 2017

"Nice way to talk about your WIFE and KIDS!"

Don't ya know it's very difficult and frustrating for super ultra intelligent people like B & D to tolerate us lessor, common folk like his family.

Fritz Maurer · May 31, 2017

My son is 17-1/2 , has been a competent operator since he was 10. I am fully prepared for some kind of vehicle or building damage, and when such things occur, I never yell at him. Yelling is time wasted that could be used to deal with the problem. I never want him to be afraid to come to me for help; or, just get plain sick of me and not want to be around me at all.

X-Y switch · May 31, 2017

Give yourself a break, count your blessings. Be thankful you have family that will be a part of your life.

oldtanker · Jun 1, 2017

(quoted from post at 10:40:25 05/31/17) That sounds like my two. The oldest admitted that he was pushing everything because his brother was up in the silo and he wanted to cover him up. The youngest then says that he let it plug the second time just to get at his brother who was unloading to fast. This morning we put another load and a half in and I unloaded nice and slow while watching for any hand signals from the top. No problems. Why can't they just learn to work together? I was an only child so me and Dad worked together with very few problems. Tom

Why can't they work together? Like you and your dad did? Wake up! You and your dad were boss and worker so to speak. 2 brothers? They are not going to work on the same level. There is that rivalry that's going to be there. When I was 17 I worked for the guy who would become my sister's father in law. When his son was in the mow and I was unloading wagons and the old man no where in sight I would put bales on the elevator as fast as possible just to mess with him. You do things when you are young that you don't when older because you haven't learned wisdom yet. And without the "old man" around to keep things under control.....well things happen. And what's worse is that you have to be aware of the rivalry between the 2 and you left them unsupervised.

I think what you are looking for here is a bunch of guys saying you should have planted a boot somewhere. Well maybe you should, on the guy who's really responsible for the whole situation.......YOU!

Rick

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