Ultradog MN
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Interesting, never thought of mongo madness deep under the sea, seems modern technology made it possible. Shameful to disturb the final resting places of sailors that fought these battles.
I've never read anything anywhere else about the pre-nuclear era steel. There is a laboratory not far from here with 6" thick steel walls that pre-dates the nuclear era,. It's built in a fashion like a maze, as radiation apparently does not make sharp turns. you have to make a series of turns to get to the center. I was amazed when I went in there. I worked some 40 floors above it in the same building, never knew about it until a friend began working at this lab, some 20 years later, he's still there today.
I've never read anything anywhere else about the pre-nuclear era steel. There is a laboratory not far from here with 6" thick steel walls that pre-dates the nuclear era,. It's built in a fashion like a maze, as radiation apparently does not make sharp turns. you have to make a series of turns to get to the center. I was amazed when I went in there. I worked some 40 floors above it in the same building, never knew about it until a friend began working at this lab, some 20 years later, he's still there today.
Traditional Farmer
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Because in undeveloped countries people work cheap and will take chances.No OSHA there.
rockyridgefarm
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Are you saying that's a good thing?
Northvale PA
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So, I have a few thoughts: its about time someone cleaned up the 'junk' us humans litter the ocean with. Good riddance. If those ships had not been sunk they would have been scrapped decades ago, so what is the difference? Especially our Uncle Sam. He builds and scraps on a huge scale. And a few divers don't have something to look at. Big deal. But, the part about radiation? What? It is in the atmosphere so bad now the blowing air thru iron makes it problematic? We are all breathing that. Never heard this story before. So is this the driver behind our cancer rates? The air we breath. Thanks Uncle Sam. Great thinking again. My tax dollars hard at work.
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Ultradog MN
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Hmmm,
I'm trying to decide if this was meant to be a reply to my post, to the article I linked to, or maybe just an incoherent rant...
I'm trying to decide if this was meant to be a reply to my post, to the article I linked to, or maybe just an incoherent rant...
kcm.MN
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....All of the above??
Northvale PA -- Yes, "normally" those ships would have been scrapped long, long ago. And many old ships were actually sunk to make more habitat for marine life, rather than cutting the ship up and sending to the melter. I don't know the whole thought process on that, as it seemed to me to be a huge waste of resources. ...But then that's one thing we've gotten good at in this country. However, it's wrong to do this to the final resting place of so many souls. While I, myself, do not hold that it has any effect on the soul or spirit of the departed soldiers, I do strongly understand how these ships stand as monuments for those still living. It's like going in and taking all the headstones and caskets from a cemetery just because you can get a little profit from it. Cemeteries aren't to benefit the dead - they're to benefit the living.
Secondarily, these old sunken ships "should" remain as a testament to our past, paths to avoid in the future, and as living museums for future generations who were not there to experience the horror, that they may be able to see first-hand the horrors of war.
Northvale PA -- Yes, "normally" those ships would have been scrapped long, long ago. And many old ships were actually sunk to make more habitat for marine life, rather than cutting the ship up and sending to the melter. I don't know the whole thought process on that, as it seemed to me to be a huge waste of resources. ...But then that's one thing we've gotten good at in this country. However, it's wrong to do this to the final resting place of so many souls. While I, myself, do not hold that it has any effect on the soul or spirit of the departed soldiers, I do strongly understand how these ships stand as monuments for those still living. It's like going in and taking all the headstones and caskets from a cemetery just because you can get a little profit from it. Cemeteries aren't to benefit the dead - they're to benefit the living.
Secondarily, these old sunken ships "should" remain as a testament to our past, paths to avoid in the future, and as living museums for future generations who were not there to experience the horror, that they may be able to see first-hand the horrors of war.
kcm.MN
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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but when my Mom passed away, we were in the florist shop trying to get the flowers picked out. I saw a wreath of roses (plastic, but very beautiful) that goes on the headstone. It was pretty expensive, and I never would have thought about splurging on anything like that. However, Dad left me in charge, and something made me turn around and take another look. Then it hit me! That would be for Mom, from Dad.
After the funeral it was installed on their headstone by the funeral home. Next day someone had stolen it. Some people genuinely have zero respect for others.
After the funeral it was installed on their headstone by the funeral home. Next day someone had stolen it. Some people genuinely have zero respect for others.
1948CaseVAI
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Can't speak for him, but I would sure say that is a very good thing!
rlp in Co.
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Radiation in steel? Sounds loco to me.
rockyridgefarm
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"Boy, I sure wish we could go back to a time when people were regularly killed or maimed on the job, workers could be fired for getting injured or refusing to do extremely dangerous jobs with no safety gear, children could be forced to work long hours, families were one on-the-job injury from starvation, companies could issue their own money and force you to buy your food and housing from them, companies could knowingly make and sell bad or dangerous products..."
What luck! You can! I encourage you to move to India, China, Any Central American, South American, or African country... Pretty much anywhere but Europe or The US and Canada.
Why on earth do you long for "The good ol' days"?
37chief
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I believe the main problem is the men what went down with the ship, are still there. It's no different than someone digging up a grave yard looking for gold or anything else. Stan
dr sportster
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So a naval ship sunken is still property of that countries navy . But and old wreck can be salvaged by anyone is the gist I'm getting.
37chief
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It is a reply to your post. They take the ships they also take the men who went down with the ship. Stan
Traditional Farmer
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And how many people will actually see one of these ships?There are plenty of tributes to the stupidity of humans around without a few sunk ships. Nature will reduce it to basic elements eventually anyway.Nothing man builds is forever.
kcm.MN
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That's not the point. The point is, this "is" their final resting place. Most (if not all) of those soldiers have a headstone or some other marker somewhere, but their shipwreck is their tomb. So what this ends up being is people desecrating a tomb for gain. Basically, grave robbers. That's how I see it anyway.
Traditional Farmer
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Figure after a ship gets torpedoed and sunk and sat for years in the ocean the chance of there being any bodies there is pretty slim.How much money have you contributed toward a fund to guard these places? And really does the USA have any legal right to guard them anyway? What is the difference in salvaging these ships than moving a wreck on a hiway where someone gets killed?
dr sportster
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If you read the article the ships are still property of the US Navy. The rules of salvage don't apply here.
Traditional Farmer
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The Navy can claim anything,but as is apparent claiming and enforcing the claim are far different things.And what International legal claim do they really have anyway?
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