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One child died after building a snow tunnel and it collapsed. Second one in the area this year.
More dairy barn collapses. One in neighboring town about 7 miles from here. Coverall building housing about 200 head. Our cidiot governor closed all interstates to tractor trailer truck traffic, but left it open to car traffic ??????? Many local dairy farmers dumping milk down the drain and milk trucks having to dump milk because they couldn't get to processing plants. There will be lots of produce rejected at the Wal-Mart distribution facility where my son works in the near future also. USPS even forgot it motto and didn't deliver mail.
My answer to a lot of this government intervention BS is to hang 7 out of 10 hot shot lawyers out there. I'm sick of add after add on TV saying "We will get you the money you deserve".
Loren
 

The snow in the early morning was light in weight.

After about 10 am, there was alot of ice in it and it was dense and heavy....difficult to plow / move

Looks like that heavy , dense snow caused all the building collapses
 
Why stop at 7 out of 10? I say get all 10 of them. They are not trying to"help you" as they claim. They are just after their 35, 40 45% or more contingency fee.
 
George,Not sure on the Stanton Farm building collapse. It is an old farm with many renovations.
The local free stall facility here, that collapsed was a modern Coverall hoop barn design, about 7 years old.
Loren
 
There were also building collapses at the local Indian gaming facility/casino. A coverall hooped sports facility, ??? I don't know the details on that.
Loren
 
Loren,
I never heard of a Coverall hoop barn design so I googled it. Are you talking about a tent like structure stretched over curved pipes? geo
 
Surprising the collapses given this snow was light and powdery, seems the heavier wet type of snow does more damage.

I don't get the hype about snow, they make a big deal about a foot, let alone more than that. It's winter, we get snow, sometimes lots of it. Keep your supplies stocked, have a means to clear it, and stay off the road if your vehicle won't get traction.

You remember further back than I, and we used to get a lot more snow going back to the 60's, I barely remember the ones in the early 70's, but we had one that closed the state road here because it was impassable and all equipment was stranded in it, cut off etc. My father opened a 2 or 3 mile stretch with the D7 we had on the farm. He had it passable in 3 hours. There used to be a rock cut just down the road a bit, 30' high both sides, the snow filled most of it, he had to punch through it somehow. Those were notable storms, what we just got was a normal occurrence for many years. I have no use for our current governor as well, given his actions in December of '12.
 
Loren, In 78 we got a blizzard. A little snow and a lot of wind producing 4-6 ft snow drifts. Many pole barn roofs collapsed, flat roofs, and houses with 3 layers of shingles couldn't handle the snow load.

When I had my small 30x40 pole barn built I wanted trusses on 2 ft, 1/2 osb and 35 year shingles. I may never see another blizzard in my life time like I did in 78, but very good chance my roof will never collapse in my lifetime unless a tornado hits it.

geo
 
Loren, it's surprising how many people think they actually "deserve" that money the lawyers promise them
 
Oh, I hate to hear that a child died. Sympathies to the child's family.

I can imagine that buildings do collapse under feet of snow. When you get such big snowfalls, I'm surprised that more of them don't buckle under.
 
I lived in Albany the winter of 1970..snow 112.5 inches....9 feet. Mean temp 9.7F. Don't remember a big
crisis of barns falling, or blaming it on somebody else.
 
(quoted from post at 15:31:53 03/16/17) One child died after building a snow tunnel and it collapsed. Second one in the area this year.
More dairy barn collapses. One in neighboring town about 7 miles from here. Coverall building housing about 200 head. Our cidiot governor closed all interstates to tractor trailer truck traffic, but left it open to car traffic ??????? Many local dairy farmers dumping milk down the drain and milk trucks having to dump milk because they couldn't get to processing plants. There will be lots of produce rejected at the Wal-Mart distribution facility where my son works in the near future also. USPS even forgot it motto and didn't deliver mail.
My answer to a lot of this government intervention BS is to hang 7 out of 10 hot shot lawyers out there. I'm sick of add after add on TV saying "We will get you the money you deserve".
Loren
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While I don't like your political leadership I think he was right. Certain services have to be maintained, like stores selling food for those who didn't prepare, plumbers, electricians home fuel deliverers and such. Unneeded traffic suck as trucks in those conditions can cause havoc. Yea some farmers will get messed over but that's part of the risk. Where the real problem lies is the lack of snow removal equipment and operators. Those cost tax dollars. Sense we know they are not going to cut wasteful spending are you willing to pay even more taxes to keep the roads open?

Rick
 
Coverall buildings closed shop a few years back. They had some large buildings (arenas and stadiums) collapse. We had built a small one and the state condemned it. They wanted us to reinforce the frame work on it. The engineer that designed the improvement had such a design flaw in it that it would have made the building worse. We put up a sign as to not enter the structure during a storm or high winds and have not heard from the state since.
 
Tell me truthfully: Why should everyone else look after people that don't prepare? We had a 3-day blizzard back in 1966. Uncle (by marriage) was home with the 3 boys with little to eat. All that they could find in the freezer was liver - and they refused to eat that! I declined to have any sympathy for them! They lived on a farm; should have known to prepare for long storms.

Incidentally, there were lots of cattle lost in that storm. Cattle would mill around in the snow looking for something to eat and walk the snowdrifts up onto the roof of the pole barns and collapse the building down on those cattle still inside. Some people lost their lives by going outside in that white-out blizzard and couldn't find their way back to the house.
 
Rick are you ready to tear up your next check before you cash it? You worked for it and those farmers who are pouring their milk down
the drain worked for it? Some of the dairy farmers only have the capacity to hold one days worth of milking maybe a day and a half.
What if you only had two days to cash your check after that it would be void? Everyone thinks the farmers are dumb people. If the rest
of the population would have to wait for a paycheck for as long as farmers have to wait, they wouldn't survive. The only difference
between now and during the depression is most have credit cards but like today and the days of the depression people have no money. I
don't think this forum is the place to be degrading any farmer or acting sarcastic toward them. Just keep that in mind.
 
Dick is right. There's no sense in not having several days of food on hand. NONE! There are freeze-dried foods, frozen foods (even if the power goes out), and packaged dry foods. There's clean bottled water in 1-gal jugs. And don't forget those Foodsaver machines! They'll help preserve food much longer than Zip-Lock baggies!!

As for cooking, there's BBQ grills, can use backup generator for lights and cooking, wood cookstove (also supplies heat), and even wrapping something up in aluminum foil and putting it on a hot engine block. With just a "little" forethought and effort, you can easily be prepared for several days of all but the very worst of times -- meaning, unforeseen events such as suddenly being without shelter, etc.
 
If milk needs to be dumped because of weather, usually the milk Co-op will cover most or all of the loss. Not always, but in many situations, they are covered.
 
I was out there in the winter of '93, and the roads were closed to EVERYBODY for close to two days. Everybody hunkered down, and lived through it. The farm I worked at lost some of the heifer barn, and did dump a little milk. They also housed a few loyal employees for a couple days to get the job done- there was no back and forth to home other than a snowmobile. Same guy on the radio for days, trapped at the station. One business chain stayed open, though... bars!
 
I don't get the hype about snow, they make a big deal about a foot, let alone more than that. It's winter, we get snow, sometimes lots of it. Keep your supplies stocked, have a means to clear it, and stay off the road if your vehicle won't get traction.
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That's exactly WHY they hype the snow. Otherwise, most people would not bother with any of that.

Farmers should not be complaining about the hype. It's good for sales. Any time there's hype, stores sell out of milk, eggs, and bread. Why snowstorms inspire people to make massive quantities of french toast, I don't know.
 
A properly designed and installed roof will not collapse under snow load. The problem is when cheating comes into play.
 
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You are so right ACG.Idiot,city or otherwise.Interstates open to all or closed to all!And then he blames the NWS for getting the forecast wrong for NYC after he'd sent DOT workers down there to bale out the city sanitation workers (grossly over paid by the way).Just 4 miles N/W of the city those folks were hit hard.Wonder who dug them out.
His daddy was bad,he's worse and he has his eye on the white house!
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You are so right ACG.Idiot,city or otherwise.Interstates open to all or closed to all!And then he blames the NWS for getting the forecast wrong for NYC after he'd sent DOT workers down there to bale out the city sanitation workers (grossly over paid by the way).Just 4 miles N/W of the city those folks were hit hard.Wonder who dug them out.
His daddy was bad,he's worse and he has his eye on the white house!
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The Gov, King Andrew, is an idiot. Period. 'Nuff said about that.

Tell you a little story about the Ice Storm of 98. Lot's of people never heard about it, but there was a strip both sides of the US/Canada border with out power and coated in heavy ice for up to 3 weeks- in January! Millions of people affected, but no one every heard about it outside this area. So anyway, our County declares a "State of Emergency!!!!!" and bans all unnecessary travel for anything other than food, fuel, medical. Every tractor trailer was off the road. Parking lots were full of trucks. Within 24 hours a modification came down that ALCOA trucks were the only ones allowed to use the road. You see, ALCOA has a big plant up here, not as big now as it was then, and they had lots of political power. So us poor old road Troopers were out there pulling trucks off the road and getting screamed at when here comes a group of ALCOA trucks with a Super Secret Special Permission Slip in their possession. Took me about 2.3 nano-seconds to blow my fuse! Yup, we let the ALCOA trucks through. And then we went and rounded up every truck and tractor we could find and escorted them to the county line where the travel ban ended!!! I never got in trouble for doing that, and a little bird might have told all the truckers to pass the word about the super secret permission slip that ALCOA got and to maybe let the companies know who to call and scream at too. Sometimes you have to bypass the stupidity and get the job done.

When it comes to stupidity, gov't it down perfect.
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All true Bret but some one outside the area must have known as we had the army guard up and down the Whippleville road(co. rt. 25)I was shooting the breeze with them and one,from NYC,said he didn't know there was anything north of Albany to New York state!
 
I live in the same region as the OP .... and the news of the collapsing barns got my lazy butt up onto the roof with a shovel.
I still ache but the worry is gone.
 
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All true Bret but some one outside the area must have known as we had the army guard up and down the Whippleville road(co. rt. 25)I was shooting the breeze with them and one,from NYC,said he didn't know there was anything north of Albany to New York state!
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That was back under Pataki IIRC. Different Gov, whole different mindset. Spoke with him several times, seemed pretty down to earth for a politician, at least when he was around the Troops.
 
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