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Billy Shafer

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How much farm land is in states. Like New York,New Jersey and the others. Down here we think of the states up there as being crowded and very little land. I went to Boston one time to see my brother. He lived about fifty miles west of Boston. Reminded me of deep east Texas.
 
I've gotta tell you,I have the same image in my mind,but I have to think about a guy I saw on TV one time. He was from Japan and was working on some big ranch out west. He said that from watching movies,he thought the whole entire USA was one big city. We set up stereotypes in our minds from what we get from the media. Guess that's why citiots believe all the garbage they get about life outside the city and how small the world is and how much of it's undeveloped.
 
most people think of my home state of new jersey is like turnpikes and smelly busy industrial citys,but nj is very diverse,,lots of nice places left yet.There is farmland,mountains,beaches,,and many great big houses too,,,lol
 
Billy , I have a few pics from around here in Otsego County New York. We have a lot of part time resident's migrating up from the city. The old timer I used to work for told me he thought this area was only good for dairy cattle but looks like it's good for growing houses too! That was 30 years ago and there are a lot of new houses but still open land.
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Randy, I saw something on the news several years ago, the North Korean government had made a propaganda video about "life in America" designed to discourage the people from defecting I assume.

It showed people living in the homeless districts, explained that "this is how all America lived".

It noted the absence of birds, said we had caught and eaten them all to survive!
 
I don't know the numbers, but Greg Oliver's pictures tell the story. Upstate NY is prime dairy country. Rural NY is as rural as any area in the country. I can take you places where you might think the movie "Deliverance" was shot.

It has long irritated me that my vote doesn't count. The city vote always gets what they want in NY state.
 
While the amount of farmland is shrinking in states, all states in fact there is still some out there. I looked a google maps several years ago in the area of NJ where I grew up, Red Bank area. There was a lot of farm land out there just west of us. Now it's all developed! And I mean all of it! What was a large farm field right across the road from out church is all developed! Nothing but houses! But there are still farmers out there and farms.

As far as the claim that in NY a rural persons vote not counting? Same here in MN. The twin city area generally carries the vote.

Rick
 
Greg.
That looks allot like where I live. We don't have so many hills. Same problem down here city folks bringing houses with them. I was in the tax office when a man from up north came in.Got his tax information then ask about a permit to take down two old barns. He was shocked when the tax lady told him. All you need is a match and some gasoline.He told us about the regulations where he came from. The reason he moved.I see him around town. Sure not the worried stressed out man I met. Now he is relaxed and talks to everyone.
 
I see nobody want to put any number out. Here in Vermont good crop land this year is $3500 to high as $7500. It is selling well at this time.
 
Billy The picture with the heifers was neighboring Delaware County where I grew up and a lot of their water ends up in NYC. The regulations that I thought were to be imposed on our farm was another reason I quit dairy. Now New York City is paying for manure storage and concrete work for the few remaining farms. They must a figured out a little cow poo was better than having a bunch of homes with humans! First pic is my old farm that a New Jersey couple now own. And second pic was a neighbors farm that was on a Farm Bureau Calendar.
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been to upstate NY. hate dairying -- but love their land. Most I seen was like Gregs #2 picture. someday hoping to get a chance to visit again .
 
I live in rural upstate NY. With the exception of a few small cities along the Erie Canal/I-90 (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, etc) upstate is almost entirely farmland or forest.

Incidentally downstate New York - NY City/Long Island - is literally a world away economically, socially and politically. It's also nearly a 400 mile car ride from me (I have never visited...)
 
Kinda makes you wonder how much of what we see and hear about north Korea and Russia for example, are true and how much is just spoon fed. I've never been to New York City and have no desire to, but a doctor I worked for once has me almost convinced to try it once.
 
Neighbor who drove truck all across the country once told me "a big city is no different then a small city except there is more of it"
 
Greg, I moved here from a place near Stamford NY. This farm is very different in that all of my farm land is level without any hills. I used to miss those Catskills but not all of those people from the big apple who were buying everything and bringing their crazy rules with them.
When I moved here land prices were pretty low. My first farm cost me less than sixteen thousand dollars. House and dairy barn included with the 120 acres. Today the prices are much higher with farm land bring $2000-3000 per acre.

Not many city people moving here, because it is to cold, or so they believe. You have no idea how sad that makes me, not.
Interesting aside, My mothers maiden name was Oliver.
 
Northern VA is almost all urban around DC but South Central, South of the James River is very rural,lots of land owned by pulp wood companies and farms.Land can go for over
a million an acre North to less than a thousand on Southern big pieces.
 
I lived in Otsego County NY for over 40 years. I miss the views but not the ever-increasing taxes and regulations. Been gone two years and still hold a mortgage on an 80 acre farm in Worcester. I now live near Otsego County in northern Michigan, settled by New Yorkers and named after the county in NY. I like northern Michigan and hope I never have to cross into the police-state of NY again. Photo is our upper hay field in Worcester.
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Here are some facts about NY agriculture. 23% of NY's land mass is in agriculture, about 7 million acers, and there are approximately 36,000 farm families. Dairy is the largest agricultural product, and NY ranks 4th in the nation. NY ranks second in the nation in the production of apples, maple syrup, cabbage, and snapbeans. NY ranks third in grape production.
This does not include any of the forestry related enterprizes and acerage that are closely linked.
You can google "NYS agriculture" for more info.
Loren
 
Rappahannock County is 50 miles west of DC and has a lot of open land. There are more cattle than people. Prices are high per acre, but it can not be turned into a mega neighborhood because of zoning restrictions. Land can not be subdivided below 25 acres. It makes it a nice place to live and we still don't have a single traffic light.
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That is about the same price around here.But we have two coal mines closing(thanks EPA) gonna be allot of people out of work.Folks not sure how far land will drop.
 
Or anywhere for that matter. Unless you've been somewhere and seen for yourself,it's not a good idea to ever say a thing about stereotypes. We were at Renfro Valley last year,talking to a group of folks from Kentucky. One gal was saying that she and her husband had been up along the lakeshore in Michigan and was awed by it's beauty. I told her it's nice over ther for sure,but we like inland in Montcalm County,and that folks call it Mont-Tucky. They were not a happy bunch that I had compared a less than desirable place to live,to Kentucky,even though I tell people not to insult the good people of Kentucky when they use that term.
 
2underage, I was out plowing snow and its finally slowing down. My wife graduated from Stamford in '87 and her mom lives in Roxbury. She worked with Dr. Nydam the vet in Stamford while still in high school. I know a few Oliver's from Delhi and Treadwell if she's related to them.
 
So if i bought 200 acres just what could i raise due to your local regulations thats just why the land is cheap. What crop woould the land raise.
 
The Lib -nnalert would like us all to think that cities are ALL there is in this country. Guess they found out otherwise in Nov. didn't they?
 
I knew a state trooper who has been retired for a while now. He said there were quite a few places he would not go alone in response to a call. Quite a few bars from the southern tip of the Finger Lakes on southward that you do not go into alone, also. A fair amount along the main roads of 5 & 20 to boot. Wellsville used to have a reputation as kind of a rough place though I am sure that there are quite a few nice people there as well. I bet I have a list of four dozen bars that outsiders are not to go into whatsoever.
 
guys I had a ski house in Ashland--all my kids learned to ski at deer valley in Stamford---loved the area
 
dpendzic, Yep, Scotch valley, then Deer Run. My wife's brother worked there he was a ski instructor. It's a Jewish retreat now.
 
Heck, I could take you to places in Rhode Island and Delaware where "Deliverance" could have been shot (or check out the "Quiet Corner" of Connecticut, it's about 1000 square miles of not much of anything except cows and wine grapes and woodland). People think that smaller states must be all urban, but there's still plenty of farm land and good people out there if you get off the Interstate.
 
(quoted from post at 14:08:46 12/29/16) I knew a state trooper who has been retired for a while now. He said there were quite a few places he would not go alone in response to a call. Quite a few bars from the southern tip of the Finger Lakes on southward that you do not go into alone, also. A fair amount along the main roads of 5 & 20 to boot. Wellsville used to have a reputation as kind of a rough place though I am sure that there are quite a few nice people there as well. I bet I have a list of four dozen bars that outsiders are not to go into whatsoever.
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There is a bar that I used to go to now and then until I read in a national best seller book that it was a very bad biker bar, so I quit going there.
 
(quoted from post at 10:43:40 12/29/16) Kinda makes you wonder how much of what we see and hear about north Korea and Russia for example, are true and how much is just spoon fed. I've never been to New York City and have no desire to, but a doctor I worked for once has me almost convinced to try it once.
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Don't know about NK, but I went to Moscow on a job and could not believe all the tall slender beautiful women. No bag ladies. But several drunks crawling around on their hands and knees in the snow without gloves.

One of the most rural states is Pennsylvania when you get out of town.

The city folks in states like NY ruling the entire state is why it is important to keep the electoral college so each state counts.
 

Once you get out of areas like NYC/LI and head north in "upstate" it starts getting into rural farmland and timber lands. Go past Albany in "Northern NY" (we are NOT Upstate, thats where Hil lary lives!) it gets real rural real fast. There is a 6 million acre state park in NY, that bigger than 3 or 4 states! NY is a rural state ruled by citiots living in the extreme south of the state.
 
No question in my mind that our government has played a part in how we think the Chinese are. In my travels over there I find most of the Chinese workers are actually quite happy with their way or life and are not slave labor. They do have good work habits and seem to worker harder that a lot of Americans . I also think it is funny how one part of USA thinks about say another part. Most folks want to call us Tennessee hillbillies then we want to call the folks from the West coast hippies.. All in what one is use to .
 
Can't speak for VT (though it's probably similar) but here in MA pretty much the only otherwise-legal crop we're not allowed to grow on our land is currants/gooseberries, because of white pine blister rust. If we did large-scale livestock raising we'd have manure management regulations to follow, and if we did cranberries we'd have wetlands protection regulations, but that's the case pretty much everywhere nowadays.
 
(quoted from post at 10:34:20 12/29/16) I live in rural upstate NY. With the exception of a few small cities along the Erie Canal/I-90 (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, etc) upstate is almost entirely farmland or forest.

Incidentally downstate New York - NY City/Long Island - is literally a world away economically, socially and politically. It's also nearly a 400 mile car ride from me (I have never visited...)
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I was born and raised in NNY(Malone)and this is where I live now.However for 30 years,after I got out of the Air Force,I lived on Long Island's North Fork.When I got there in early 1965 it was doted with small villages and produce farms from Riverhead east to Orient Point.It was and is a beautiful area,very rural.Many of the farms are gone,some replaced with wineries. Plenty of hard working,down to earth folks.Not at all like the progressive west end of L.I.,NYC or the down state counties just north of NYC or the larger cities north and west of the "big apple"
 
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