Motor graders. What a massive waste of time that was.

docmirror

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I've been looking for a grader to fix up and maintain a small runway, so been in the market for a motor grader. I've now looked at a total of 7, and I guess it's my price range because everything I see needs $$$$$ of service and mx just to make it work.

Sunday was the last straw. I've been back and forth with the seller for a month about this grader. We've had a standing appointment to view it for weeks. I combined a car delivery with the trip to see this grader and hopefully, put it on my trailer and take it away.

I meet the seller in a small town, and we go back into the hollows a few miles on [u:49930932ea]ungraded[/u:49930932ea]roads. That should be my first clue. Finally we get to the unit, and it's a complete mess. Trash in the cab, trash under it, flat front tire, almost no gas, no battery, and it's kinda stuck in a soft corner of his lot. I - am - disgusted.

But, here I am, hundreds of miles from home, with an appt to see this thing, and by gosh I'm going to drive it. He goes and gets a batt, we decide not to add any gas, but there's not much so I can't go do any grading. He doesn't offer to fill the tire, I'll just drive it flat I guess. Finally, it starts. plenty of dark smoke, but it's hitting on all jugs. Let it warm up a bit, and try to raise the blade. Ruh-roh, no movement on either piston left or right. "Just needs to warm up some." He says. So, I can't roll it until the blade comes up, and it's kinda stuck so I can't raise the blade. Hmmm. I sit there, and sit there, and sit there with the lever pulled, and finally, the hyd piston moves a fraction. Then the other side moves a fraction. Now, the wheels are tilted way over, and nope, they don't move at all.

Obviously, it needs a pump rebuild as it won't hold pressure in the lines. He dismisses that clear indication. Seller doesn't offer to move it out of the ditch, so I'm up there finding gears, and moving it off myself. It moved, but steering is near impossible. I try to put one side of the blade down, and it bogs bad. I back it up near where it was before and decided I can't bother with this mess.

What a waste of time. The last 4 I looked at were almost as bad. Leaky cylinders, cracked and broken hyd lines, no clutch left, missing exhaust, not ONE gauge worked on any of the units I checked. What a C/F.

Today I decided I have a good 3 point blade, all I need is a frame and I can pull grade, so I'll be out there welding drill pipe next week, and setting an axle under the back then making a 3 point mount in mid-belly. I'll make it attach to my current 3 point on the tractor so I can lift it, and use the tilt adjustment on the lift bars for angle setting. Not ideal, but after what I went through with the motor graders, I'm way ahead. I stopped in and looked at an Allis model D a while back, and when the guy tried to drive it, every 2 feet it would make a huge "CLUNK" from the diff area. I told him there's a gear tooth chipped off in there somewhere, and he actually said 'nah, that's just some mud in the brake hub'. Like I was born yesterday?!
 
Well, I've never seen any kind of box blade on a grader, either motor or pull type. So, I"m gonna stick with the blade.
 
Sounds like about everything I go look at for sale in my price range. No one takes care of or repairs anything and they lie about the condition of it.

But really from my perspective, anyone with enough money to own an airplane should have enough to anti up for a good road grader if they want one. Got to be some good used ones out there in higher price ranges. But that's just my view where I come from everyone with an airplane is rich. LOL.
 
There is a you tube video of a guy that took an old truck frame with the rear axle / wheels on it. He added a hitch to the front and made a frame in the middle to hold a standard 3 point blade, pretty much like what you have in mind. Do a search for "DIY road grader"
 
(quoted from post at 08:32:49 11/17/16) There is a you tube video of a guy that took an old truck frame with the rear axle / wheels on it. He added a hitch to the front and made a frame in the middle to hold a standard 3 point blade, pretty much like what you have in mind. Do a search for "DIY road grader"

Yeah! I watched that vid. Classic. Which is what put me on the path to a 'DIY' fix. I'm going for a similar approach but I want it to articulate side-to-side so I'm going to use a center mounted pivot bolt above the rear axle, like the front of most old tractors and use the 3 point on the front to provide for tilt.
 
(quoted from post at 08:25:21 11/17/16) Sounds like about everything I go look at for sale in my price range. No one takes care of or repairs anything and they lie about the condition of it.

But really from my perspective, anyone with enough money to own an airplane should have enough to anti up for a good road grader if they want one. Got to be some good used ones out there in higher price ranges. But that's just my view where I come from everyone with an airplane is rich. LOL.

Well, there's very expensive airplanes, and then there's what I own. My plane is 70 years old next year, it was bought for $14k, and I had to put about $3k into it to make it fly right. Annual mx runs about $800 or a bit more, I don't bother with insurance, and my parking costs are $65/month. So, I guess I'm at the ''bottom feeder'' of the airplane market.

But - to answer your question directly, yes - if I want to spend $20k on a decent grader, spend $1000 to have it hauled in from the upper midwest, then do my grading, of course I can do that. But from a cost benefit standpoint, wouldn't it be just a lot smarter to leave a cheap car at the nearest small airport, and land there - then drive to my remote place? Surely I could buy a $1500 beater and let it sit at the airport an hour away until I go up there. So, it's all about allocation of resources. I can buy drill stem pipe for peanuts, I have an old axle in the yard, and a few bucks for steel and some welding rod and I"m in business. Prolly take a weekend to fab up.
 
What old 9 is suggesting works very well if you can
find one not completely frozen.also what is used in
the cane fields in south La. Is an old grader.the old
engine and transmission,cab and front axle is taken
off.a 3 point hitch is mounted near where the front
axle was then a tractor with at least 2 remotes pulls
it.that way almost anything done with a grader can
be done with this and a tractor.
 
We kinda went through that with a pair of Cat 12s. Each one
had a DuPont overhaul and looked clean. Bought each one
cheap but after a couple of years of use we lost the engine in
each one. Then we decided maybe if we pony up some
serious money we can get a nicer reliable one and one that
we would be willing to spend more time in. So we ended up
with a JD 770A which so far has been good to us.
 
My view is anyone who buys a new vehicle today is rich. I've owned one new vehicle, and that was a 1980 Chevrolet Chevette! I do own an airplane. It's in a building out back here with other equipment. The 60'x 2000' grass strip I maintain every once in a while just happens to have an airplane on it!
 
Doc for what its worth I have gone and looked at plenty of stuff in "good condition" and it is about what you describe. Part of it I guess or cost of doing business. I would look at 3 point box, grader or rock rake. We take care of quite a bit of road with those items.
 
I'm with you. I hate box blades. They leave a ridge at the edge of the box when you go through
rock or gravel. Give me a three point blade any day. If I want the edge feathered I angle it slightly
and then step up a gear. I can make anything look nice with a grader blade.
 
I've seen 3pt scrapper blades with a trailing wheel on them to help guide depth ect. so you don't plow too much. seems like it might (???) have been a Ferguson. it was used to maintain a very very long driveway/dirt road.

that might work. Can't say where to find one other than start gooooogleing

as others have mentioned maybe a tractor pulled grader

or maybe find a small antique one like those based on an old WC or WD allis chalmers (basically a grader attached under the front end of the tractor). small but might be easy to work on if needed and available parts. not sure how good they did/didn't work. could be better than a 3pt blade though ???

good luck
 
here's one for you
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(quoted from post at 09:12:00 11/17/16)
(quoted from post at 08:25:21 11/17/16) Sounds like about everything I go look at for sale in my price range. No one takes care of or repairs anything and they lie about the condition of it.

But really from my perspective, anyone with enough money to own an airplane should have enough to anti up for a good road grader if they want one. Got to be some good used ones out there in higher price ranges. But that's just my view where I come from everyone with an airplane is rich. LOL.

Well, there's very expensive airplanes, and then there's what I own. My plane is 70 years old next year, it was bought for $14k, and I had to put about $3k into it to make it fly right. Annual mx runs about $800 or a bit more, I don't bother with insurance, and my parking costs are $65/month. So, I guess I'm at the ''bottom feeder'' of the airplane market.

But - to answer your question directly, yes - if I want to spend $20k on a decent grader, spend $1000 to have it hauled in from the upper midwest, then do my grading, of course I can do that. But from a cost benefit standpoint, wouldn't it be just a lot smarter to leave a cheap car at the nearest small airport, and land there - then drive to my remote place? Surely I could buy a $1500 beater and let it sit at the airport an hour away until I go up there. So, it's all about allocation of resources. I can buy drill stem pipe for peanuts, I have an old axle in the yard, and a few bucks for steel and some welding rod and I"m in business. Prolly take a weekend to fab up.

1500 for a running, operation road grader? That's one heck of a dream! For 1500 you are going to get what you have been looking at! If they have maintained it then all of a sudden it's a 5K or more machine! Sorry, that's just how it works!

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 16:20:22 11/17/16)
(quoted from post at 09:12:00 11/17/16)
(quoted from post at 08:25:21 11/17/16) Sounds like about everything I go look at for sale in my price range. No one takes care of or repairs anything and they lie about the condition of it.

But really from my perspective, anyone with enough money to own an airplane should have enough to anti up for a good road grader if they want one. Got to be some good used ones out there in higher price ranges. But that's just my view where I come from everyone with an airplane is rich. LOL.

Well, there's very expensive airplanes, and then there's what I own. My plane is 70 years old next year, it was bought for $14k, and I had to put about $3k into it to make it fly right. Annual mx runs about $800 or a bit more, I don't bother with insurance, and my parking costs are $65/month. So, I guess I'm at the ''bottom feeder'' of the airplane market.

But - to answer your question directly, yes - if I want to spend $20k on a decent grader, spend $1000 to have it hauled in from the upper midwest, then do my grading, of course I can do that. But from a cost benefit standpoint, wouldn't it be just a lot smarter to leave a cheap car at the nearest small airport, and land there - then drive to my remote place? Surely I could buy a $1500 beater and let it sit at the airport an hour away until I go up there. So, it's all about allocation of resources. I can buy drill stem pipe for peanuts, I have an old axle in the yard, and a few bucks for steel and some welding rod and I"m in business. Prolly take a weekend to fab up.

1500 for a running, operation road grader? That's one heck of a dream! For 1500 you are going to get what you have been looking at! If they have maintained it then all of a sudden it's a 5K or more machine! Sorry, that's just how it works!

Rick

Read again. $1500 would be for a cheap car to leave at an airport away from my property. Nothing to do with the grader price.
 
Buying used construction equipment is always
fun.

What kind of bird did you get for 14k?
That's cheap. I haven't been paying
attention......did ADS-B Out crater the
market?
 
(quoted from post at 17:40:26 11/17/16) Buying used construction equipment is always
fun.

What kind of bird did you get for 14k?
That's cheap. I haven't been paying
attention......did ADS-B Out crater the
market?

1947 Beech Bonanza 35. The seller was a complete tool in financial trouble. ADS-B is alive and doing a great job killing gen aviation. I don't give a wet dribbly spit about it, as I'm never, ever going to go into a class B or over 12k.
 
Not mine but maybe something like this would work for ya. This one is in Oregon

https://bend.craigslist.org/atd/5854640493.html
 
Not sure what your wanting to spend but here's some food for thought on graders. Cat will deliver a new 12M3 for around $500,000.
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Or you could get a used 160 M3 with 3500 hours for around $325,000.

If you bought a worn out 15,000 hour 140H for $50,000 Cat can rebuild it for around $180,000
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Point being a cheap motor grader is going to be old and worn out. You are going to have to look at a lot of broken down worn out ones to find that diamond in the rough you're looking for, lots and lots of them. They just put a full set of new tires on mine, $9,000 just for the tires.

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(quoted from post at 18:49:32 11/17/16) Not sure what your wanting to spend but here's some food for thought on graders. Cat will deliver a new 12M3 for around $500,000.


Or you could get a used 160 M3 with 3500 hours for around $325,000.

If you bought a worn out 15,000 hour 140H for $50,000 Cat can rebuild it for around $180,000


Point being a cheap motor grader is going to be old and worn out. You are going to have to look at a lot of broken down worn out ones to find that diamond in the rough you're looking for, lots and lots of them. They just put a full set of new tires on mine, $9,000 just for the tires.

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that's some sweet machinery. I'm jealous. But - you are exactly right. A cheap grader is going to be a collection of parts. I was looking at one of the old 12F models in western CO for sale. Those are supposed to be pretty bulletproof. Then, I gotta get it to my place, which would be 166 miles of mountain road at maybe 12 MPH. 18 hour trip over the road. Not good for a chain box drive grader.

Think I'll make my own and drag it behind my Dodge Ram 4x4, or the tractor.
 
Just found this little gem.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/atq/5824397210.html

Looks like it would do the job. However, now it takes two people, and my wife might draw the line at pulling with the truck. She would NEVER get on a tractor, which is a good thing.
 
This is at the price where I could buy it if it runs, spend minimum to get it to grade, then just part it out, or sell for scrap when done. Wonder how much to get it to grade for a few days?

https://springfield.craigslist.org/hvo/5868561036.html
 
I wouldn't worry about 166 miles wearing out the chain boxes if they are in good condition. Those graders were made to grade tens of thousands of miles of gravel roads. Staying warm during the tip could be a bigger problem. Double check what the transport speed is, 12 MPH sounds slow for a grader.
 
(quoted from post at 16:35:04 11/17/16)
(quoted from post at 16:20:22 11/17/16)
(quoted from post at 09:12:00 11/17/16)
(quoted from post at 08:25:21 11/17/16) Sounds like about everything I go look at for sale in my price range. No one takes care of or repairs anything and they lie about the condition of it.

But really from my perspective, anyone with enough money to own an airplane should have enough to anti up for a good road grader if they want one. Got to be some good used ones out there in higher price ranges. But that's just my view where I come from everyone with an airplane is rich. LOL.

Well, there's very expensive airplanes, and then there's what I own. My plane is 70 years old next year, it was bought for $14k, and I had to put about $3k into it to make it fly right. Annual mx runs about $800 or a bit more, I don't bother with insurance, and my parking costs are $65/month. So, I guess I'm at the ''bottom feeder'' of the airplane market.

But - to answer your question directly, yes - if I want to spend $20k on a decent grader, spend $1000 to have it hauled in from the upper midwest, then do my grading, of course I can do that. But from a cost benefit standpoint, wouldn't it be just a lot smarter to leave a cheap car at the nearest small airport, and land there - then drive to my remote place? Surely I could buy a $1500 beater and let it sit at the airport an hour away until I go up there. So, it's all about allocation of resources. I can buy drill stem pipe for peanuts, I have an old axle in the yard, and a few bucks for steel and some welding rod and I"m in business. Prolly take a weekend to fab up.

1500 for a running, operation road grader? That's one heck of a dream! For 1500 you are going to get what you have been looking at! If they have maintained it then all of a sudden it's a 5K or more machine! Sorry, that's just how it works!

Rick

Read again. $1500 would be for a cheap car to leave at an airport away from my property. Nothing to do with the grader price.

OK, my mistake.

I searched for about 4 years to find a dozer in my price range that wasn't total garbage. Graders are tuff to find too.

One of my daughters FIL bought one of the pull type ones. His wife pulls him with a tractor. He claims that he has a harness that she wears and he has a buggy whip! But from what you said that's not really an option for you. You should be aware that if you do find a self contained one getting tires that fit if needed may be an issue!

Rick
 

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