Diesel Fuel Starvation

I'm having an issue with a JD 5520 hoping someone here could assist with. The tractor has a little over 3800 hours.

While mowing hay, the tractors RPM will drop 100-900 RPMs and struggle to regain RPMs. The fuel filter was changed and seemed to fix the problem, but after two hours, the RPMs started to fluctuate again dropping down to 1300 RPMs from 2200 while cutting normal height hay. No excessive smoking or engine miss is heard when the RPMs drop.
Brought the tractor back to the barn, drained the tank to insure no debris or trash was blocking the 90 degree elbow fitting on the bottom of the tank. The fuel was clean. No water and maybe a teaspoon of small fine sediment out of the tank. No amount of debris to be overly concerned with. Disconnected the line from the tank to the lift pump and disconnected the line from the lift pump to the main fuel filter. Blew air through the lines, no trash or blockage. Connected all the lines, put approximately 5 gallons of fuel in the tank. Turned the key on to the check fuel flow to the main filter. A solid flow with no disparity. Disconnected the main fuel line at the injection pump and turned the key on to check the flow to the injection pump, again a solid flow of fuel.

The return line orifice fitting on top of the injection pump has had the ball valve knocked out, no change. My question, is there a way to check the continuity of the fuel shut off solenoid on the injection pump? I'm thinking that once the engine is at operating temps, the solenoid could be allowing the arm inside the injection pump to move back restricting the flow of fuel. Does this sound like a logical possibility?

The tractor has a Stanadyne injection pump. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, because I'm stumped at what could be causing the fuel starvation.
 
Hi,we had similar problems on our Kubota 8200. The service tech suggested we bypass the water trap with an inline filter in case it was drawing air there. I also replaced all the rubber lines from the tank to the injector pump. Not sure where the issue actually was but it's been working great so far since. No fun chasing down fuel problems.
 
I had to put a pump on one last year for an issue pretty similar to that. Pretty close to those hours too. A buddy had talked to JD and said the ones they had with that issue needed a new pump or a rebuilt pump to correct it. He already had bought a new pump from Deere, wasn't priced too bad actually, and just wanted me to install it and injectors while I was there. Whatever it was, the new pump took care of it. He didn't want me checking it out, he just told me to replace the pump, so I said "yes sir".
 
(quoted from post at 18:45:22 09/06/16) I'm having an issue with a JD 5520 hoping someone here could assist with. The tractor has a little over 3800 hours.

While mowing hay, the tractors RPM will drop 100-900 RPMs and struggle to regain RPMs. The fuel filter was changed and seemed to fix the problem, but after two hours, the RPMs started to fluctuate again dropping down to 1300 RPMs from 2200 while cutting normal height hay. No excessive smoking or engine miss is heard when the RPMs drop.
Brought the tractor back to the barn, drained the tank to insure no debris or trash was blocking the 90 degree elbow fitting on the bottom of the tank. The fuel was clean. No water and maybe a teaspoon of small fine sediment out of the tank. No amount of debris to be overly concerned with. Disconnected the line from the tank to the lift pump and disconnected the line from the lift pump to the main fuel filter. Blew air through the lines, no trash or blockage. Connected all the lines, put approximately 5 gallons of fuel in the tank. Turned the key on to the check fuel flow to the main filter. A solid flow with no disparity. Disconnected the main fuel line at the injection pump and turned the key on to check the flow to the injection pump, again a solid flow of fuel.

The return line orifice fitting on top of the injection pump has had the ball valve knocked out, no change. My question, is there a way to check the continuity of the fuel shut off solenoid on the injection pump? I'm thinking that once the engine is at operating temps, the solenoid could be allowing the arm inside the injection pump to move back restricting the flow of fuel. Does this sound like a logical possibility?

The tractor has a Stanadyne injection pump. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, because I'm stumped at what could be causing the fuel starvation.

Google it, seems this series has lots of problems with fuel supply....maybe install an electric lift pump. I think I read that JD offered one as a fix. I know if I don't start my 5525 every couple of days it gallops when first started...I also plan on keeping the tank topped off. I think a lot of the problems were due to the tank being mounted too low.
 
First off replace the fuel lines from the tank to the fuel filters. These lines are known to fail and let in air. Also take the fuel filter housing apart. If yours has the round style filter housing with the primer on top they run the fuel through the primer part all of the time. Unthread the ring (#3) that holds the primer in the housing and clean the area under it. I have found crap in there on several of them.

Is your tractor a cab model???? IF it is then there is a service bulletin to install a electric fuel pump to help lift the fuel to the tractor when the tank is lower on fuel. The cab models have the fuel tank mounted lower than the open station models.
 
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My 5055d started to flutter a bit like it was starving for fuel and found a crack in the fuel line from the tank where their was a hard radius. Replaced the supply and return lines, generous radius' and all is good.

BE SURE TO USE DIESEL RATED FUEL HOSE!!!!!!!!

Good luck,
Bill
 
The electric shut off on this pump is an electro magnet. Some will start to weaken when and have some age on them. Some work fine until hot. It is VERY important that you have a full 12 volts to it to work properly. When hot with the key off touch a jumper wire to the shut off spade or post. You should hear a distinctive click sound. This sound is what a healthy shut will sound like. Some will work good cold, but not when hot.
 
You said when you changed the fuel filter everything was fine for a few hours.
Did you try replacing the filter again after it started acting up?
If there was enough stuff floating around to plug the first filter then it is possible the new filter has been plugged up as well.

A badly plugged air filter will cause similar symptoms but usually will be accompanied with an increase in black smoke.

On the Stanadyne pumps my experience with the ball valve on the fuel return is once someone has gutted it out to get it running better, it buys you some time on a failing pump but the inevitable rebuild is just around the corner.

Last thought is a badly worn fuel line (soft/mushy) once warm can collapse inside of itself and create an intermittent restriction.
 
The tractor is a cab version. An external lift pump was installed 3 years ago under the right hand cab due to the tractor failing to restart if the tank was less than half full. The tractor RPMs still drop even after the third filter and 20 minutes of run time.
A couple of you mentioned the fuel lines. That's interesting because I noticed the lines are hard and not flexible like they should be. I'm going to attempt to cut some hay this afternoon and want to check the solenoid once it gets hot. I may throw on new fuel lines to see how that effects the tractor.
Thanks for all your comments. If I get this figured out, I'll post my findings. Thanks again

Kyle
 
Reminds me of the time I lodged an earwig in the hard fuel line leading from the tank to the lift pump- tractor ran great when cold and when at low engine speeds. When hot and at PTO speed it did not have enough power to move itself and the sprayer it was towing. Went through four glass fuel filters before I started tearing lines off- just caught a glimpse of those antennae hanging out. I figured it must have been hiding in the end of the fuel filler nozzle and I washed it into the tank when filling. The dealer I took it to after the third filter could not replicate the issue, thus never found it either.
 
(quoted from post at 23:41:21 09/06/16) I don't have that many problems with my 30+ year old Allis Chalmers and Olivers,guess you got it cheap so you can afford to work on it(LOL)

You got that right! I'm not used to hi-tech problems, but I guess I do need something to do in the winter....and I need friends, dealership friends.....can a person be friends with their JD parts man??? :cry:
 
Well, I believe the problem is fixed. Mowed all day yesterday, not one issue with the RPM.

After reading your comments, the mention of the rubber fuel hoses really got me to wondering because the installed hoses were very hard with no flexibility. I believe it was the hose from the tank, over the transmission to the lift pump. This hose had several lengthwise cracks. I replaced this hose and the one to the main filter. No problems, knock on wood!

As always, Thanks for all your help!

Kyle
 

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