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It's the first day of early goose season. The neighbor's grand daughter and her husband stopped and talked to the wife the other day and asked if they could hunt the oat stubble. She told them go ahead,but it was seeded to alfalfa,so park in the driveway and DON'T drive in the field.
I was just coming home for dinner with the tractor and rake from raking hay up north of there and what do I see?
One pickup sitting on top of the hill back toward the back of the field and another one driving right out across it.
I headed right out after them in road gear. I don't know if he'd ever heard rumors about my temper or not,but he sure got a face full of it. He was man enough to come and apologize anyway. I told him to go ahead and go back,but he'd better park by the road. Maybe he got the message this time. Thing is,the grand daughter wasn't even there. Just the husband and somebody else.
 
In Ohio you have to obtain written permission from the owner and keep it with you while hunting so you can show it to any game wardens.
 
NO that is when you thrown them off and not to come back. Had that happen at the gun club many years ago. A friend asked me if I could help a friend sight in a deer rifle. He shows up with TWO other friends and the next thing I know it is a BEER party!!!!! One of the owners shows up a couple of minutes latter while I am trying to rein in these other two idiots. NEVER EVER again. There are way too many stupid people out there. What really Ps you off is when you let someone on your farm and latter find he is bad mouthing you all over the neighborhood cause you are strict about how he should conduct himself on YOUR property. The strict was "keep 400 feet from the buildings, It is state law, and leave no trash." He smoked and there was an empty pack not ten feet from his stand. Also about eight butts. Never invited back.
 
Yep, that's they trouble. You give permission to one person, then they think they have the right to give permission to as many people as possible.

They only have to screw up once for me, then it's a life-time ban.
 
I farmed next door to a state owned and managed hunting area that covered about 2000 acres. It was a real pain to keep the hunters or trespassers out of my bean and corn fields every year.
Signs and fences meant nothing to them. I did become very good friends with the game warden as he wrote lots of tickets every year.
 
That is not true. There are many very respectable hunters. I myself ask permission and then I come alone to hunt. Never have I brought an other hunter with me.I never leave anything behind either, even go so far as to pick up shell casings.Do not lump all hunters in the same boat.
 
You got that right!

Some years ago, our next door neighbor was killed in a tractor/train accident. The funeral was on a day when there was several inches of new snow on the ground. I didn't attend the funeral, but was home for some reason. Our house was right on the property line, and while the funeral was in process, four pickups stopped at my house and informed me they were chasing a coyote and "would have to drive around on that property over there". There was even an airplane flying overhead. I knew some of them and was sure that they knew the situation with the neighbor.

I informed them bluntly of the situation and told them this was not the time for them to be running rampant over the neighbor's property. I couldn't help adding a comment that if it took 9 men, four 4WD pickups and an airplane to chase one coyote, there must be a statement in there about relative mentality.

It occurred to me later that during the confrontation, I was unarmed and they were holding high powered rifles.
 
(quoted from post at 11:06:21 09/01/16) Give a hunter an inch and he will take a mile every time.
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Not to start anything here but your blanket statement is not true. There are many of us that are responsible deer hunters. When I am allowed to hunt on someones property I abide by their rules and what I pack in I pack out (take my trash with me), park where I am told and walk in. If I harvest a deer I share with the land owner if they want any usually at least half of the best cuts.

I have taught my daughters the same. Example when my youngest (13 at the time) got her first one I made it a point to stop at the land owners home and made her give him some of the best cuts of meat. He appreciated the meat and her ethics in sharing. He told her she was allowed to hunt his land whenever she wanted.

I do understand that there are many hunters out there that are as those mentioned here. They are like bad apples only takes a few to spoil it for the rest of of us.

Please do not judge us all by the stupidity of the few.
 
I have had several people hunting on my place Illegally. One even told me he had permission from the owner. I said really because your looking at him and I have never seen you in my life. He was from Lexington thought he could bs me.
 
I am afraid Rbhuntn, that you are guilty until proven innocent because of those bad apples. But by asking permission, packing out what you pack in, and being considerate and SAFE, and safe is something that many of those bad apples are not, you will prove your innocence to those that get to know you. Deer in our area are over populated and a nuisance, and most landowners like responsible hunters, I know I do.
 
My nephew has a large area of pasture and hay land that he gave blanket permission to one group to deer hunt after he took the cattle home in the fall. They drove into his farmyard and asked what the deal was? It turns out that someone else had put up NO HUNTING signs all legally posted 4 miles long by 2 miles wide. Nephew says I didn't put up any signs and didn't give permission for anyone else to put up the signs. He took down all the signs and kept the nice posts that the bad hunters had used. Never found out who put up the signs, but it never happened again after they lost all their posts and didn't have nerve enough to ask for the posts back.
 

Well unless you get to know me I have no way to prove myself other than this.

Due to my safety, ethics, not making a mess and helping the landowners maintain their property and equipment when I can I will say that as of now I have been given unlimited access to three properties here in Missouri to hunt on. This invitation has been extended to my two daughters (ages 15 and 17) as well as long as I am with them.

How did this happen? Quite simply I got to know these land owners through various twists of fate. By getting to know the land owners, becoming friends and helping them when they need a hand I have gained access to their properties. An example of helping these folks out was a few months back one of them needed new gravel on his 3/4 mile long driveway. He had the gravel hauled in and dumped. I loaded up my tractor and hauled it 3.5 hours one way and spent the weekend helping him scoop, dump and spread over 50 tons of gravel.

All three land owners keep a good check on their land and thanked me for not leaving my trash laying around.

Not trying to defend myself here just stating the facts.
 
Had a guy do that twice to us, second time dad parked the tractor and spreader in the gate way, the guy came to ask us to move the tractor and dad layed in to him. The guy said he was from the city and didn't know better, so dad told him when he goes home don't stay on the road, go through peoples lawns and see if they like it!
 
I banned dove hunting on our farm due to the trash left by the hunters. Water bottles, cans, candy wrappers, cigarette packages, etc. Also for the reason stated previously, permission to one seemed to mean he could invite anyone he wanted. I try to be hunter friendly but enough is enough.
 
(quoted from post at 13:03:54 09/01/16) I banned dove hunting on our farm due to the trash left by the hunters. Water bottles, cans, candy wrappers, cigarette packages, etc. Also for the reason stated previously, permission to one seemed to mean he could invite anyone he wanted. I try to be hunter friendly but enough is enough.
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I understand. I even pick up spent brass rifle cartridges when I can find them Sometimes they hide to good to be found.
 
If there are many respectable hunters, I don't know where they are. The problem here is percentages. While it may be personally offensive to be lumped in with a negative group, I can say that of the hunters on my property, most have caused problems, and aren't welcome back. I now have one family which hunts my woods, and it works well. Pretty much the word has gotten around to not bother to ask about hunting geese in my fields, as there were always problems.
 
Ya,I just came back by there with the baler. They're parked out by the road,but there's three pickups there now.

I farm the grand father's place and have it all in corn this year,so there's no place there for them to hunt. I try to be a nice guy,but the harder I try,the more reasons people give me not to.
 
Whats ironic is that a farmer or anyone with knowledge or experience with fields and crops, driving out into a field with crops just crosses a grain, you just don't do it and you plan whatever activity needing to be done around the growing season or whats in the field and the conditions you have.

Kids on ATV's, and hunters that are not from the country or more rural areas do not have a clue about deciding whether to drive across a farmers field. They're just ignorant. Maybe not every single one, but the majority are and I've seen it most of my adult life and don't care about anyones opinion that its an unfair generalization. Posted signs mean nothing, asking permission is above all of them and both are so prevalent you might as well be guilty by association anyways.

I have a friend who I let come through to get to another friends house, social call, few beers and BS is all, not having to drive on any roads afterward sure makes it nice, no DWI risk, well you can and will get one on an ATV, but not on private lands unless you're a fool and do something really stupid. I asked him to send a text message when coming through so I don't have to deal with a stranger, and I know who it is. I think he got tired of that, last conversation I had was odd and I have not heard from him. People sure are odd when you ask them to do even the simplest of things when on your land. In the old days I could have cared less, there were hardly any ATV's some dirt bikes, but those kids knew not to wreck fences or destroy crops, + there was always a tractor path to ride on.
 
In Ohio you have to obtain written permission from the owner and keep it with you while hunting so you can show it to any game wardens.
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You do NOT have to have written permission! If the property owner tells you that you can hunt there, then you CAN hunt there! PERIOD!
 
I do agree with you for most situations. I will say when out west , Colorado and Utah borders I was allowed practically unlimited access to thousands of acres to hunt on. Because I was known for rebuilding small Irrigation roll engines, putting new brushes and bearings in alternators on weekends and nights. Getting to be a friend of the ranchers went a long way.
 
Not ALL hunters are inconsiderate and disrespectful but they sure get the media coverage.

When I bought my vacant property over 10 years ago, I informed ALL neighbors that I didn't want anyone hunting it. Put up signs, had to remove a deer stand or 2 but mostly had few problems. Then 2 years ago, neighbor informs me that 2 of my other neighbors had been hunting it that morning (opening day) and shot a couple of deer. I drove up the driveway of one of the offenders and there he was standing by the open door of his barn with a deer hanging from the rafters in plain sight. I stopped and said "heard you were on my property and got a deer". Answer: "yup, there she is, sure is a beaut". Me: "Bob, I told you I don't want anyone hunting on it", him: "Yup, I understand". After several rounds of me trying different ways of saying it and him completely agreeing with me (not sure if he was playing dumb or was just PLAIN dumb. :roll: ) I finally left with the statement that if he does it again, I'm calling the DNR and reporting him. Last year he stayed off of it, we'll see if this year is the same.
 
That's it. If it had just been ignorance,not knowing it was a new seeding and not knowing they shouldn't drive in it,it would be one thing,but when they were told what it was,and told not to drive in it,and told where they could park,that's way over the top.
 
He is married into your family, and should be told what your expectations are. He should know a little better anyway.
 
My questions would have been:

a) Who is the stranger: You are trespassing and have zero permission to be here?

b) I would have estimated the damages to field and asked who is paying that? If no cooperation, I would have immediately called the sheriff.

c) Those clowns would be done hunting on my property period forever.
 
"They're parked out by the road,but there's three pickups there now."

That would do it for me. Walk back there and ask the others
where they got permission. If the "first" guy gave it to them,
they're all done. Him for giving it and them for not asking.
I would bet grand dad would understand that too.
 
I used to have a NO HUNTING sign in my tool box at the dealership. Some farmers noticed, most didn't. Kind of same thing isn't it. OH, I just borrowed a couple of your wrench's to take this part off out in the lot. It's not hunters, it is people. Some throw their beer cans out the windows on my lawn, park on it on the part with no curb etc.
 
Come on now. People in glass houses shouldnt be throwing stones. Every hunter is not as you speek. Nor is every farmer as nice as the ones here.
I love hunting. Im respectful of the land, mine and others land i hunt. Everyone knows there are people that just dont care and its not just limited to hunters.
 
The one that drove through your field after your wife said it was planted i would have run off period.
That is not a respectful person or hunter.
 



I told the neighbor behind me that he and his son, and no one else, could hunt on mine. He came back the next year and asked if his Daughter could hunt with them, and I thanked him for asking me. so far just them are hunting here besides me.
 
I just don't have it in me to fight with anybody else today. When I went to take the rake a quarter mile down the road just before this incident,I just wanted to go that little way to another field without having to fold it and unfold it again manually. It's a gravel road,narrow for that quarter mile with trees and brush on both sides but opens right up again where the field is. I got about two thirds of the way and here comes a car,hell bent for leather. I wave my arms,get farther over to my left and try to stop him in the open.
Nope,he came about a hundred feet in to the trees and then stopped. If looks would kill,we would both be dead right now.

After the whole thing with them driving in the field,I took the pickup to check the first field I raked to see if it was ready to bale. There went a 4 wheeler across that field. A kid riding with another kid on the back holding a shot gun in the air. He rode down then right crossways over the windrows. I knew who it was. His dad was right out there in the yard. As ticked as I was,I knew better than start something with him and his stupid kid. Somebody definitely would have gotten hurt.

I headed up with the baler. There was another narrow stretch of gravel road around the end of a lake,brush on both sides,blind curve,here comes a little red S10 doing at least 50. I jammed both brakes and steered toward the edge of the road. He was going so fast he couldn't even react. He just shot right past me. I could see all the way to 66 where he'd been flooring it and spinning the tires as far as he could,then he'd let off and do it again.

I told Kim when I got home that if I had to even leave the yard again today,somebody was gonna die. So,I just left it alone. One of those jokers would have shot me in self defense or I would have been in jail myself.
 



THERE ARE CROOKS EVERYWHERE.... BUT NOT EVERYONE IS A CROOK.


You logic is a bit fuzzy...

Good hunters have long term hunting areas and you will not normally run across them. Jerks with guns who dont obey the rules will hunt anywhere till they are thrown off.
 
I don't blame you at all. I have a buddy that hunts the woods on our farm across the road. Between him over there, and me cutting wood over there occasionally, we have a pretty good eye on it, but no one can be there 24 hours a day. There is a small rise at the end of the field that hides the trail along the woods and the one neighbor and his useless kids use that to their advantage to keep from being seen by me. They hunt a mother farm down the road and say it's easier to ride across our fields and through the woods because then they don't have to put their helmets on or case their guns like they do if they have to ride their quad on the road with 2 of them on the back with their guns. Not my problem, if they had approached this a different way the first time, it may be different now, but they didn't and I'm sure not afraid to tell them to beat feet. Really grinds me too when I see fresh tracks off the road onto the trail into the woods, or can tell that someone has been messing around on the property on 127. People use that as a rest stop and car sales yard, or try to.
 
I don't know all you all's problems, but I have 5 guys hunting my property (600+ acres) for several years. They come up several times a year to mow around the camp, and work on roads. They will help me with any problem I have. I never have any problems with them. If they see anyone that's not supposed to be there, the either take care of it or contact me. I understand that they are not the norm, but I take care of them and they take care of me.
 
"I just don't have it in me to fight with anybody else today."

Then just fly your quad out there with a camera on it and
take their pictures for proof. They should get that point.
If they shoot it they're in bigger trouble than they were!
 
Being a landowner and a hunter I can speak qualified on both sides of the topic.

Lots of respectful hunters out there but like anything else the ones that tick people off get all the attention.

I have let many hunt on our land, as well I hunt on others land and always have permission to be there, I treat there land as if it was my own.

Sorry to hear you are having a spike in aggravating individuals.

You can't put a price on aggravation.
 
I own some property and an old farm house a couple miles down the road from where I live. I don't use the house but I do keep it mowed and weed wacked and enjoy the fruit trees in the yard. This weekend some #ssbag decided to stop at the house and pick all the nice pears off my tree. They got the bottom half one day and stopped on sunday and brought ladders and took all of them. Dad went by there and saw the vehicles but thought I was down there mowing and talking to somebody. When he got here he realized I wasn't down there but told me sombody was. He didn't tell me right away but when he did I literally ran to my vehicle and trucked down there. I missed them by minutes. I asked the neighbor and he had the vehicle on surveilence camera. It was a blue early 2000's chevy pickup with four doors and a 20 ft aluminum ladder in the back. Didn't get the plate number. I was so p@ssed it's probably a good thing they were gone. I'm very tempted to put a sign on the tree offering a $500 dollar reward leading to the conviction of the pear thieves. Just like crime stoppers. Probably won't have to because there's apples out there too and thieves usually come back. Now all the neighbors are watching like hawks for these guys.
 
From the ODNR Division of Wildlife / Hunting regulations/ general regulations/ Hunting with permission

The landowner's written permission is required for hunting and trapping on private land, regardless of whether the land is
posted. Permission slips are available at all Ohio Division of Wildlife district offices, in the printed Ohio Hunting and
Trapping Regulations, or it may be downloaded here.
The maximum penalty for hunting without written permission of the landowner for a first offense is 60 days in jail and a $500
fine. The maximum penalty for a second offense is 90 days in jail and a $750 fine.
A person must carry written permission at all times while engaging in hunting or trapping on private land and exhibit it upon
request to a state wildlife officer, sheriff, deputy sheriff, police officer, other law enforcement officer, owner of the land,
or the landowner's authorized agent.
 
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