What would you fellows do?????

JD Seller

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I usually hate these type of posts but I am steamed and would like some fellow old farts opinions. LOL

I have just about quit doing any repairs for anyone else but I had still been doing some simple stuff for old customers. This fellow is a retired dairy farmer and he has done a LOT of business with me over the years. He rolled his garden tractor while mowing his road bank. It is fuel injected and the tank was full enough it did not die while laying on it's side. It locked the motor up before he could get out from under the mower to shut it off. A new short block is not available for it anymore and even if it was the last published price was $2700. There is not any new replacement motors you can install in his mower and still get the hood and radiator to fit. So I was left with either finding a used motor or new old stock parts to repair his engine. He refused to consider just trading it for a newer mower. He wanted "HIS" mower back.

Since this was not going to be a quick fix he needed some thing to mow with. The only mower I had then, that would work for him, was a real clean one owner mower. His yard is under an acre so it does not take him much over an hour to mow. So I figured 3-4 weeks of mowing would not put many hours on the mower. I did tell him that if he damaged the mower "He" would have to pay for it. Now this was verbal.

Finding the parts took longer than I had planned on. So he has had the mower for 7-8 weeks. He did call me about a week into the deal and told me he had hit the hood and broke it. He agreed to pay that no question. I finished his mower today. I took it over tonight. He was gone but his wife was home. She was all happy the mower was back. I was happy too until I went into the shed to get my mower. Not only was the hood broke he had managed to bend the right front mower deck gauge wheel completely back under the deck. He hit some thing so hard it twisted the entire deck. Then the mower is absolutely filthy. Mud and wet grass stuck all over the mower. Scratched clear through the paint on both fenders. Then add in he put 75 hours on the mower. I was MAD!!!! I held it in around his wife she had nothing to do with this. I did asked her what he had been mowing this summer. She told me their daughter bought a BIG "new" house on a five acre lot and she could not afford a mower after buying the house so the fellow had been mowing his daughter's FIVE acres all summer with MY mower.

The mower as it sets is worth $1000-1500 less than it was when he got it. The hood alone is over $450 to replace. The fenders are powdered coated so repairing them is not easy to do. Painting them makes the entire mower look bad. The bent mower deck can be repaired but the gauge wheel bracket has the welds torn out of the deck. So even IF it straightens out your going to be able to tell it has been damaged. I am mad and sick about this at the same time.

The repair bill is over $2K and He really owes me another $1000 plus for the damage/wear/rent for my mower. He is the type to blow up if you do not handle him right. So just jumping in and demanding payment for the damage will cause a war. I would rather avoid this. I am really at a loss on how to proceed.

P.S. I am now officially DONE with repairing other people's stuff. If it dies in my drive way I will not touch it!!!! I am too old for this type of aggravation!!!! It is not worth it!!! I will just stick to fixing stuff I own/buy. That will be much simpler.
 
I would take his mower back home and tell his wife that the mower in the shed looks nothing like the one he borrowed and he will have to pay for it, as well as the repairs for his before he sees it again.
 
Hopefully you got pictures of before and after . Had Amish there good for doing that they tell you one thing and then you find out to late it's entirely different. Case in point they wanted a copy machine well they wouldn't have much use for that found out to late that they copied all the books for the school including making some large print so they wouldn't have to buy glasses they ran that copier everyday whenever they could problem was I worked 3rd shift not much sleep eventually this plus other tricks and I kicked them out but guess who the bad guy is but it's a lot less stressful.
 
That is a tough situation... I'm a pretty soft touch when it comes to avoiding a conflict too.

I'm assuming you picked up your mower. Might give it a couple days, give him a call. To break the ice just ask him how his mower is doing, make some small talk. Then bring up the loaner issues.

"Well, got my mower home, cleaned it up... I've got a price on the broken hood we talked about... And I also noticed a few other problems... Were the fenders scratched when you got it? I don't really remember... How about the bent wheel? I'm just trying to get this back the way it was as we agreed on if you can help me out a little..."

Just be very tactful and non confrontational. If he blows a gasket, well sometimes it's best to have some people mad so they don't come back around!
 
I would insist that he pay for the damage to your mower. Even if he was a good friend, you should not be expected to eat the damage to your machine. If he is that much of a hothead I wouldn't value his friendship anyway! Myself, I am neither a borrower or a lender, but if I damaged someone's equipment I couldn't live with myself if I didn't make it right.
 
I would keep his and let him keep yours until he agrees to pay for the decrease in value of yours.

Of course, I would never do anymore business with him.

Dean
 
Have you collected your money that you have invested in repairing his tractor?? He also owes for the damages to your lawn mower. Regardless of how you handle this, you will not be the good guy when the dust settles.

Good luck.
 
That is a tough situation. Things in his favor include: 1) You have some kind of relationship. 2) Sounds like you probably have made some money off of him. 3) The repairs took longer than intended 4) You didn't know that he was mowing another lawn nor did you specify what he could mow, and 5) he has actually told you about the hood damage. I guess I would collect the repair bill on the overturned mower. Then either he will mention the damage to the loaner or you will have to bring it up. He may primarily only recall the hood. I guess you are going to have to mention the gauge wheel and the scratches. You might have to remind him that the agreement was for him to cover any damages. Can the hood be repaired at a body shop with fiberglass?? Straighten and weld if necessary the gauge wheel. Sounds like the mower might be for resale??? I guess I would sand out the scratches and repaint. Move it - get it sight and mind. Fixed back up you will get all of your money back especially if he covers the primary expense - the hood. Straightening the wheel and repainting the fenders doesn't have to cost that much. Like you said the engine rebuild took much longer than ever expected. This was out of his control. Everyday you will feel better. Eventually you will get to the point where you will be glad that you didn't blow up and cause a fight. Certainly, yes, he should pay you for reasonable expenses incurred in bringing the loaner back to prior condition. Like you said ....you are just going to have bite the bullet on this and move forward. I am sure I would feel the same way.
 
Keep in mind that if you want the verbal agreement to stand, then you only negotiated compensation for possible damages, nothing about rent or wear. Wear can be considered damage I guess but what are you considering as wear vs damage? I'm sorry you are in this situation, I hope the guy is reasonable about what he's done here and pays up. The two options I see are him paying for damages, or buying the mower for the price advertised before he borrowed it.

This sounds like it was a pretty decent and expensive mower to let someone borrow pretty much for nothing.
 
Farmerwithmutt: In this case I happen to have good documentation of the condition of my mower. I had it in a auction right before I took it to him to use. The mower did not sell but I took pictures of all four sides for the auction ad and one of the hour meter. I have those pictures and they are date stamped by my camera too.

I am going to take pictures of my mower's condition ASAP. I am not going to touch it until I see how he is going to act.
 
Wow! That guy has no respect for you. He owes you for the repairs you did to his mower, plus he owes you for the damages to your machine. I believe he also owes you for the unauthorized use of your machine in the amount of $35.00 X 75 hours = $3,000.00!

I don't care how big of a jerk he is. He needs to grow up and act like a responsible man, not like some loud mouth blowhard. Put him in his place as a bad customer. He owes you! Charge him what he owes! Make him pay for what he owes you! Or just keep the newly rebuilt mower, with a mechanics lien on it! And if you can, get your old mower back clean it up and sell it, and use "his" mower as if it were yours!

Good luck

Scott

PS....or you could "accidentally" drive a bulldozer over his mower!!!! LOL!!!!!

Come to think of it, I like the "accident" idea better!!!!!
 
Not going to bother reading the other replies before I answer. I have gotten to the point I look at things this way. I am sick and tired of everyone else making THEIR problem MY problem. Not to say that often just by being nice I 'took on the problem', as I will admit to that happening on occasion.

Regardless, I have come to the conclusion that their problem is going to stay their problem. That's not to say I'm going to stop being a 'nice guy' as that's not going to happen. However, I am done letting customers take advantage of me, and screw me over, when I try to help them.

With that said, you allowed the problem to happen by being too nice and letting him borrow the mower, and there's nothing you can do about that. Now you find yourself in the situation where you have to deal with it.

Right now I'm in the same position due to trusting a repeat customer, and putting money out for parts on a bill he refuses now to pay. I've also got a first time customer who hasn't bothered to pay his bill. In all honesty that one was all labor, and really isn't big enough to justify going after alone.....and he's probably counting on that fact. What he doesn't know is I already plan to take the other guy to court, and if I have to go for one, I'll gladly go for two........They want what was their problem to become my problem.......I don't think so..........

That said, in your case, HE made things worse by tearing up the mower you loaned him. I wouldn't give a rats hind end whether he 'blew up' or not when confronted with the damages, and the repair cost. IF he can't handle the situation like a man, and pay for the damage HE caused, and do it willingly, and without giving any lip about it, TAKE HIS TAIL TO COURT.....Let him try giving the judge the lip and see how that works out for him.

In the future he'll just have to take his machinery somewhere else, and I'm sure, pay more for the repairs. Too, he'll not have them giving him a loaner mower, etc, etc, to abuse like he did yours.

To me this is the best thing that could happen because it's the best 'revenge' you can get, right along with the best lesson you can give him...........Whether he learns from it or not is a different story.....
 
What I've found in difficult situations is gently lead into it. I'm a retired City inspector, and I found the best way when you see something you have to tell somebody about, but you already know they're not going to take it well, is to SLOWLY lead into it. First visit, tell them Oh my, I think there might be a problem here, I'll have to look into it, to make sure, I'll get back to you shortly. Wait a day or so. Second visit, tell them Yes, there is a problem, and here's what it is.... If they blow up, well, that's something you have to deal with calmly, but you do the best you can. But YOU ALWYAYS REMAIN CALM and professional. Even if they do blow up, they'll probably get over it the next day. YOU NEVER BLOW UP. They'll surely remember that YOU were calm and professional. If they never get over it, you just know you did your best.
 
That's tough.

You probably, if you've worked with him before, realized he is a tad rough on his equipment, so you maybe kinda knew what you were getting into on the loaner deal.

All on all the scratches and deck damage maybe just kinda is normal wear and tere on this deal, should be covered under normal rental rates (I know this wasn't normal rental, but effectively that's what it was for such a long period).

Sounds like you will get the cost of the hood from him, and chalk up the other $600 to experience. Maybe he will agree a few bucks for the bent deck, that would be fair. Scratches I think are gonna be normal wear and rare, sorry to say.

Wasn't the repair work that got you in trouble, it was the extra time it all took.

Shame on the fella for mowing 5 times as much lawn with a 'free' loaner than expected, but on the verbal agreement I imagine you didn't put any limit in, so he suckered you on that. Not much to do about it,

Maybe you tried to be a nice guy and kinda set yourself up to fail on this one. Maybe the warning signs were there ahead of time......

Paul
 
JD Seller
Welcome to the new world of "nobody cares about anybody's things but their own". I used to loan stuff to friends and neighbors to help them. When I had to chase them down months later to retrieve my stuff that they just needed for a couple of days and if I got it back and it still was any good, I stopped. Now if anybody wants anything I tell them where the store is. After trying to get paid for doing work for them, now I have them pay $500. cash up front and when I get that used up I stop until I get another $500. cash.
I wouldn't worry about his feelings, he pays what is right or he can complain to the judge. Until then I hope you kept his tractor as hostage, leverage is nice. If you haven't presented him with the repair bill on his tractor, you might add some to cover some of damage he will try to weasel out of paying. The handshake world is disappearing fast.
 
First off I do not work on other people's equipment or tractors for the same reasons you don't now.Guess it all boils down to how much it means to you not to have him upset with you,only you can answer that one.Pure business he owes you the repair bill to fix your mower at the very least.Might add the fact he flipped his mower in the first place would have been a Red Flag for me.
Guess we never get too old to get a little more education(LOL)BTW the guy sounds like my brother I wouldn't lend him a rock to use if I wanted it back in 1 piece.
 
You know him and I don't but consider this: my neighbor was always the best of the best when using and maintaining equipment until very, very suddenly he wasn't. He has developed some level of dementia and doesn't even recognize that he mows over things or breaks things off. He too rolled his mower. The family won't let him drive, run the tractor, or mower any more. I would ask that you consider your acquaintance may be in essentially the same boat where he simply doesn't register that he's done these things. Of course they took my psychology license years ago.
 
too many times ive helped people ut just to get it broke off in me. anymore I say sorry my left ankle is acting up and ant stand much.i broke it feb 1 this year and it didn't mend right so I use a cane. worse than your problem I had a guy that lived up the road that needed anything he just came in and helped himself. 1 day I was changing oil in my big tractor .parts man gave me wrong filters so had the oil out.i decided to disarm it while I was gone.i unhooked the battery and took the key.i came home and there my tractor set in my drive engine locked up.his beat up pickup was there too. only way out is the drive. he was a loud mouth guy .he said why the $%^&*() did you take the oil out n not tell me?i asked why he put the cables back on and jump start it? no reply. I said your paying for this engine. he got mad I suggested he walk home which he did.anyhow it went to cort.judge awarded me full repair bill plus a rental tractor. I let the dealer do all work cause they warrentied their work. that was 22 years ago.to this day he hasn't spoke and that's ok with me.id say hi when I seen him because I'm not stooping to his level.and no I wont work on your stuff
 
Sounds like his daughter needs a mower. I would try to sell him the beat up one for his daughter. Explain what you thought it was worth before the broken hood and deck. Might be the best deal for both of you.
 
Just a thought take pictures of the mower blow them up then hang in the shop with a note attached this is why I want cash up front and I do not loan tools. Even the most dumb can figure that out saves explaining .
Earlier you said you were going to get pictures but your were waiting I would take pictures immediately after getting the mower otherwise a slick lawyer would say that happened between the time you received the mower and the time the pictures were taken then you would have to show it didn't. We always seem to learn the best in hindsight but the nicest pictures would have been before loading.
Your comment about doing extra reminds me of the time I sold a guy a load of hay when he bought it back his kid piped up and said we hauled all our hay home with it . That would have been at least 20 miles round trip and I don't want to know how many trips. For some reason pops looked uncomfortable after the kid said that.
 
I used to be a nice guy, but I learned a long time ago, if you do someone else's work for nothing, you'll always have a job.
I don't do repair work anymore. They want it done on the cheap and expect a 10 year warranty.
 
Sounds like his daughter needs a mower. I would try to sell him the beat up one for his daughter. Explain what you thought it was worth before the broken hood and deck. Might be the best deal for both of you.

This. Show him the failed auction. Sell him the loaner for 10 or 20% less than you were looking to get from the auction. He keeps the loaner for his daughter as is, broken and scratched. IF he wants to pay you to fix that one, NO, you are done with repair jobs, now and forever. She will just be happy having something to mow with, as they obviously do not take care of anything. She will be losing the house soon, anyways, so best to just run from both of them as fast as possible.

Sometimes we need to get a full mouthful and swallow it to remind us how bad it tastes, to prevent us from trying it ever again.
 
It sounds like before this episode that your customer's potential in terms of making money doing repairs was about to end anyways. Be diplomatic but make an effort to recover all that you have at stake in this matter. If this ends with him being permanently sore at you it will be no big deal. I seldom need to go to the neighbor for anything and likewise for him with me. That keeps everyone happy as nobody has a hold over anybody else.
 
farmerwithmutt: I was just waiting for daylight. It was dusk before I got home last night. I will have the Grand Daughter takes some GOOD pictures of it with her better camera. I have a feeling this is going to get ugly and I am not backing down on this one.
 
Did any Red flags jump up when he told you he rolled his mower cutting a ditch bank??? UM if he dont have enough sense to keep his mower upright i dam sure wouldn't have loaned him mine..Just saying.
But to answer your question. I would tell the guy he just bought another mower.And if he didnt like that add enough to his bill to cover it and just leave the mower there at his house.
 
Take the before and after pictures with you so you can prove to him and his wife the damages that were done. Bring a detailed estimate for the repairs needed on your mower. Paint scratched down to bare metal is not normal wear an tare on a machine. Blades, filters and fluids would be normal. Calmly explain everything to him and even explain to him the decrease in value he has caused. Selling him the mower will only lead to him wanting you to make the repairs. If he does not pay for damages it is up to you on how much farther you pursue the matter. I think the courts would be in your favor given the fact he agreed to pay for the hood already. It is entirely possible he has not noticed the damages. Good luck.
 
I may have missed it but did you tell him a limit on hrs? was it even talked about? You are in a hard place for sure, sounds like the guy has no regard for others property,, to me he clearly owes you for at least a rental for the whole time,, Plus damages,,, but where you had no signed contract detailing it all out you may have a legal issue,, I have done this myself more than once,, last time I lost a good tractor and loader,, guy never brought it back to me, I tried to contact him no go,, found out he passed away in another town, a bit more digging he Sold my tractor before he moved,, I am out 5 grand and no way to get any thing back,, hope you have better luck
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You mentioned the magic word Dairy Farmer. I have learned they are rough on equipment. I loaned a friend of mine a tractor to pull silage wagons once and had to go get it 2 months later and it was filthy ! When I got it they were using it to fill bags. It was cover in manure and the front wheels had to be repainted because something ate the paint. The tractor had 100 more hours on it was low on hyd oil. I know not all dairy farmers are hard one stuff but a lot around here are. My FIL is retired dairy man and he takes real good care of his stuff but his brothers places look like a tornado hit them.
 
Well, you have a bad situation here all the way around.
First thing I would like to say is that I do NOT agree with having to tiptoe around this guy because he might "blow up" on you. HE needs to "man up" and behave like a mature adult. You are the good guy, he is the offender. Don't forget that and don't turn it around.

Now, since you had an agreement - even verbal - that he would pay for any damage, and you have proof of the before and after condition, I would not hesitate to explain to him that this is what was agreed to, and hand him an estimate for the repairs.

When he told you about the hood, you should have gone to inspect at that time. You might have revoked the agreement BEFORE this became such a big issue.

However, whatever you decide, I would approach it in a calm, reasonable manner. If he loses his temper, I would give him a couple of days to cool off, and if he doesn't, it is time to pursue it in court.

Lessons to be learned:
1) Written agreements BEFORE any equipment or money changes hands.
2) Documentation of the condition of any equipment loaned before it leaves the premises.
3) If dealing with a known hothead, WALK, no, RUN away.
 
Sorry to hear this JD but you probably realize that there is no real good answer. From my perspective (I'm over 80 and I assume your neighbor is too or close) getting old is scary for all of us. He is obviously is in cognitive decline and not the same fellow he was years ago. Those hard working habits that made him successful have now turn to overly stubborness. This situation went wrong when he refused to admit he totaled the original tractor. I'm guessing that if it wasn't for your charity it would not have been repaired. Funny but I bet now he has gotten use to your "loaner" tractor.
So where do you go from here? He is not going to be rational to deal with; I would simply take back your loaner and refuse to return his tractor until he pays you some amount to satisfy you.
Jim B
 

Goodwill use it to your advantage if he pop's a top you can fall back on Goodwill. You loaned it out on goodwill for his use your goodwill to provide equipment that you were willing to accept normal ware in tear not for him to loan it out on his goodwill to use/damage.

He took advantage of your goodwill he should own it are pay up parts and labor.

I have been lucky except in one case were I loaned a mower to a uncle. He put 200 hr. on it in a matter of 3 weeks. He was mowing grave yards ( I thought he was going to mow just a few yards) I had never took the safety's off he wore the electric PTO clutch out backing up and mowing around head stones. I am not sure how many hours he would have put on it had it not been for the PTO relay failed. When he brought it back for me to repair and I looked at the hour meter it did not get loaded back on his trailer I jumped in his truck and we went mower shopping till we found him a new mower. He's been good to me I sucked it up he did not stay in the lawn care businesses long after that when his new found money did not go as far when his own money was involved.

I will loan equipment to a few close friends those that will pay for what breaks are wares out as far as that goes. I tell them if I am using it and it breaks I pay if they are using it and it breaks you pay I expect payment immediately, That has eliminated folks that borrow that can not afford there own equipment.
 
Well the good news is the loaner mower is one you were wanting to sell anyway since you had it at auction. (This issue becomes a whole lot more complex if it was a mower you really wanted to permanently keep).

Bill A: Repairs to his mower cost this.
Bill B: Damage and excess use to your mower comes to this.
Or Optional Bill C: He can simply buy and own your mower for this amount and not worry about Bill B.
 
Like others have said it is a tough one all right. Just confront him with the facts. If he is any kind of guy he will try and make it right, if not another lesson in life learned. I hope this doesn't turn into a bag of worms for you. Stan
 
I had been doing construction side work all my life for people I knew, usually free or cheap depending on circumstances because I liked the work and was interested in helping people. Ten years ago I wasted two of the most beautiful October weekends putting in metal doors and frames for a guy and never got paid. A family I had known my whole life. That was it for me, and I don't miss it.
 
Ronnie,

I feel for you on this, because not sure there is any easy way through this. The guy would have declined to mow his daughters lawn with your mower if he cared about you, so that speaks a lot. I would prepare a bill for the repair, present it to him and then discuss the damages to the loaner. If he is reasonable, he will offer to pay for them, if not you will have to be prepared to take it all the way. I try to return equipment in better shape than I got it, but not all are like that.
 
if the fella is known to be the type to blow up when confronted why do you even deal with him in the first place sounds like you left yourself wide open for this one....
 
1. I agree with Dziadzu in that you ought to print this whole thread and let him read it.

2 The last thing I loaned was a stock trailer to a neighbor with whom I spent a lot of spare time, which included several other locals. I forget his reason for wanting it, but after a couple of months I thought it was long past due time he returned it. I went to this house looking for my trailer and found it....................full of feeder pigs.......he was using it for his hog pen!

That was the end of that and the association! Told me right off what he thought of me. I should have opened the gate letting them all out, then hauling it home. Instead I told him he had 2 days to get the hogs out, trailer cleaned up, and returned. He did. I figure I didn't loose anything by removing him from my "friend" list.

And that's the bottom line. You do for somebody out of your good will to help them in time of need and they pee on you! No thanks!
 
Sounds like you've got good documentation AND good reason to support case with him. Glad to hear you won't back down on this one.

I've always been willing to help people do stuff or lend them tools. One relatively new neighbor has asked several times "do you know anything about furnaces?" or plumbing or electrical. First time he asked, I "helped" him but while I was fussing with the issue, he went back in HIS house to get a cup of coffee while I was on my back in HIS yard, fixing HIS problem. My answer is now: "nope, sure don't" when he asks that question.

Same thing goes with tools. Since people know I've got a lot of tools, my standard answer now is "yeah, I've got one of those, but I've loaned it out and haven't seen it back yet" or I go in the house to "find it" and come back in a few minutes with "don't know where it is, sorry".

Over a year ago, a good neighbor who I felt was exempt from the above responses, was in a jam and I loaned them an item that I wasn't using. Said they just needed it for the day. Mentioned this summer about it, their response was "what do you need it for?" I told them I didn't need a reason it was MINE. Had to bring it up a couple of times before the item ended up on my front porch.
 
(quoted from post at 05:52:21 08/06/16) You mentioned the magic word Dairy Farmer. I have learned they are rough on equipment. I loaned a friend of mine a tractor to pull silage wagons once and had to go get it 2 months later and it was filthy ! When I got it they were using it to fill bags. It was cover in manure and the front wheels had to be repainted because something ate the paint. The tractor had 100 more hours on it was low on hyd oil. I know not all dairy farmers are hard one stuff but a lot around here are. My FIL is retired dairy man and he takes real good care of his stuff but his brothers places look .
hey hey hey i was a dairy farmer.i kept my machinery clean and cared for.but yes you are right most drove everything in the ground.sad too.neighbor bought a new 4555 jd.2 months later inside of cab was trashed
 
The repairs did take longer than expected. You could split the repair cost of the loaner mower, or sell the loaner mower it to him.
 
,.,.agreed ,,.. the ol devil is always working overtime to mess up someones good intentions and ruin a friendship ,.. and a community
 
"Sounds like his daughter needs a mower. I would try to sell him the beat up one for his daughter."

At first glance this sounded like a good alternative.
But then someone is going to ask where they got that beat up mower
and they're going to say this is the kind of equipment JD Seller sells.
 
Never loan anything that you want back. He ruined it, let him buy it. If he wont, go to small claims court, or just write it off as a costly mistake on your part.
 
I am getting in a little late on this how about suggesting that he buys the mower for his daughter since he mowed her lawn with it all summer he might see the error of his ways and just bight at least he will know what his wife told you and lose some of the additude before he gets too pi$$y with you.
 

When your loner was out to buddy with the daughter. Another customer needed a mower so buddy's mower with the new engine was loaned out and you are waiting for it to come back.
Small claims court ?
 

This is fairly simple. Kee his mower for now and tell him that your mower is so degraded and damaged that you do not want it back so you will just trade. He is to keep yours and you keep his repaired mower.

He will blow up, but if he really wants his mower back he will offer you enough money to fix yours.
 
I don't know how to fix it but I know how to prevent it from happening. Don't lend anything. Your only a jerk for a few minutes when you say no to lending.
 
Why let a potential borrower make a liar out of you. Do like Nancy Reagan advised about drugs:"Just say NO". TDF
 
That's tough. Especially when you're trying to help a guy out. Maybe he's been trying to figure out a way to tell you he wrecked your mower. You know him better than me, but you almost have to give the benefit of the doubt until you talk to him. Mowing way more than expected isn't really ethical, but some people don't think that way for whatever reason. Not saying anything definitely won't fix anything. Reasons like this are why I don't lend things. I have 2 trailers that were being used more by other people than myself. They were coming back in worse shape than they left, so "no" is my standard answer now.
 
It sounds like he owes you for....

1. Repair to his machine
2. Repair to your machine (hood, deck, scratches, etc.)
3. All or part of a routine service (oil, filters, grease, blades, etc.)

That being said, the man called you when he damaged the hood. He owned up to it and agreed to pay. He may very well be prepared to pay for the rest, but you haven't gotten a chance to talk with him yet, and he hasn't had a chance to make it right.

Before you get too angry (and I understand your disappointment), give him the chance to make it right. Perhaps you can just sell him the machine?
 
I no longer loan anyone equipment. Loaned a generator to a friends son. Got it back with the carb and intake manifold in a box. Generator is now junk and he wont answer his phone.
 
JD Seller- That's one messed up situation! I'm sorry you have to go through that. I have NO suggestions for you. Good luck.

Please keep us updated on how this transpires.
 
I have owned an vehicle repair shop for a good many years. Some of my customers have been with me just as long. Over those years we have seen several that suddenly did things they would never have done. Some get unpleasant to deal with, some don't take care of repairs like they should or start telling stories that you know aren't true.

Often the kids haven't noticed, the wife(or husband) won't admit it until we point it out to them. A couple of times the family didn't have the strength to take their car away so we got to take a longer time for repair! "Call us, don't call Dad."
 
What would I do? I would be mad as heck. I would take the time to cool down. Get paid for the repair to HIS mower. Then in some off hand way ask him what he feels the rent should be for the use of YOUR mower. He may follow your lead and come up with some reasonable amount. Have an idea in mind what you would like to get.

If everything goes south after that, take pride in being able to fix your mower. In the tally of your long life it doesn't amount to didly. HUG

OH, and follow your new rule about loaning stuff.
 
Old saying-------Neither a lender or a borrower be. Hard to say no the first time sometimes, after that it gets easier, then usually they don't ask anymore.
 

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