towing 11 tons with 3/4 ton pickup?

mmidlam · Jul 15, 2016

Thoughts on towing a total of 11 ton trailer and tractor with my 3/4 ton pickup. Tractor is 2 1/2 hours away. I have had 3 haulers back out, they got too busy or decided not to fool with the job. Trailer would be a pintal hitch.

Goose · Jul 16, 2016

I assume by 11 tons, you mean 22,000 pounds.

Where are you located? I want to sit in a lawn chair and watch.

Goose · Jul 16, 2016

My second thought was, if three haulers backed out there may be something you aren't telling us.

davpal · Jul 16, 2016

I would rather drive it home than tow it with any 3/4 ton pickup.

urbancase · Jul 16, 2016

I pulled apx 7 tons form Michigan with backhoe on a trailer it was about 12 hour round trip, I have a one ton duramax and 25 foot goose neck trailer, you knew it was back there truck did fine had one tire blow coming back not sure why but it happened. I would not put that load on my truck as way to much weight and I would be worried the safety part as not being able to stop or control load with a 34 ton. but that me its just not worth it.

Robert Major · Jul 16, 2016

My thoughts are hold my beer and watch this, You are off you head, I wouldn't do it.

I towed a 30ft 22.000 gvw gooseneck, with a 5 ton tractor on with my 99 f250 SD long box ext cab 4x4 with 7.3 diesel. it had loads of power for speed and with elect brakes and 4 wheel discs on the truck stopping wasn't a problem driving sensibly , but the truck wasn't enough in the suspension department or the weight for my liking.

If you are going to do this with a pintle hitch it will probably handle like a battleship in 50ft swell, your suspension probably won't like it, and you may be sea sick if you get to your destination alive or without killing someone else . I said never again with my truck for that weight, that tractor and trailer was slightly over it's limit that I felt comfortable with. If you get stopped by the DOT they might like to see your check book as well for being over loaded.

My buddys thinking of towing a JCB 3c backhoe that weighs 7 or so ton with his 22.000 30ft gooseneck and his one ton heavy duty Ford, I think he's mad I'll tell you how that went next week if the machine gets a deal done on it.
Regards Robert

john in la · Jul 16, 2016

Lets see......
Tongue weight should be between 9 and 15 percent of the trailer weight.
22000 x 11% = 2420 lbs
And since you are using pintal hitch you can not use weight distribution bars.
So even if you have a class 5 hitch the maximum trailer tongue weight would be about 1200 lbs without weight distribution.
That puts you at about double (if not more) the tongue weight the hitch was designed to hold.
Then you have to figure a class 5 hitch has a 12,000 lbs. gross trailer weight rating without weight distribution.
And this assumes you have a class 5 hitch. You may have a class 4 so the weight amounts would be less.
You will be lucky if this trailer does not rip the whole hitch off the back of your truck.

I am with Goose.
Tell us you route because we want to watch this.

2x4 · Jul 16, 2016

you need a tandem Freightliner dump truck with pintle hitch. And yes, I've known people who drove a hoe that far. Difficult but not impossible & safer than your idea.

D beatty · Jul 16, 2016

Where did you get your figures? I have a Curt class V hitch on my GMC K series that's rated at 16,000lbs. with a tongue weight of 2,400lbs. with or with out a weight distribution system. If I use a weight distribution system I can go to 17,000lb gross trailer weight rating.

Tree-Farmer · Jul 16, 2016

Maybe you could ask: Do you HAVE to use your own pickup and trailer?

Here’s what I did, when I needed to haul a combine: I rented an F350 truck, with a gooseneck hitch, from the one place in Kansas City that rented pickups that would allow you to tow with them. Enterprise has pickups, but doesn’t want/allow you to tow, but there was one place in town that would rent trucks that did allow towing.

Then I found a rental place that had a gooseneck trailer that would haul 10,000 pounds. Maybe it would haul more, I didn’t ask. Although they said the empty trailer weighed 4,000 pounds. It did have trailer brakes and the rental truck also had them.

My suggestion would be to Rent a truck and trailer, something with enough capacity to haul what you need.

Although what you're wanting to do, sounds like it weighs more than a combine.

Traditional Farmer · Jul 16, 2016

How much are you licensed to haul? You could get the Mother of all overweight tickets.

Ken Macfarlane · Jul 16, 2016

2.5 hours away because you're driving 30 mph on back roads or you need to travel at highway speed? My f350 srw super duty was happy with trailers up to about 16,000 lb bumper pull but beyond that you couldn't get enough weight on the nose to stop the sway without the front end being all over the place.

JoeM(GA) · Jul 16, 2016

Foolish on a bumper pull, much less with a 3/4 truck, if it starts swaying with you, somebody's gonna get hurt.
Find someone with a small dump truck that wants to make some side money

showcrop · Jul 16, 2016

Most likely you would be fine. However, if you and a few others end up being hurt, it could go very badly for you.

ericlb · Jul 16, 2016

as a retired professional truck driver, i would never try that with any pickup, your way overweight, the pickups tires, suspension, axle bearings and brakes are not designed for that, and when you figure the tractor's weight plus the trailer, plus your truck, your well into class A cdl territory and if the dot happens to see you, at the least your facing thousands of dollars of overweight fines,many pintal hitch trailers that big have air brakes,to go behind a big truck, you cant use those with your pickup. best bet for a pintal hitch trailer would be your friendly tandem axle dump truck owner, also check places like gravel pits,and excavation businesses, 2 reasons, in ours all our road tractors were also equipped with pintal hookups in addition to semi trailers, we also had a couple 20 ton pintal hitch trailers for backhoes, rollers ect, dump trucks usually used these but occasionally the road tractors pulled those as well , these guys haul equipment to job sites, and may be able to pick up your tractor when returning empty and bring it to you for a reasonable rate

oldtanker · Jul 16, 2016

(quoted from post at 22:41:36 07/15/16) My thoughts are hold my beer and watch this, You are off you head, I wouldn't do it.

I towed a 30ft 22.000 gvw gooseneck, with a 5 ton tractor on with my 99 f250 SD long box ext cab 4x4 with 7.3 diesel. it had loads of power for speed and with elect brakes and 4 wheel discs on the truck stopping wasn't a problem driving sensibly , but the truck wasn't enough in the suspension department or the weight for my liking.

If you are going to do this with a pintle hitch it will probably handle like a battleship in 50ft swell, your suspension probably won't like it, and you may be sea sick if you get to your destination alive or without killing someone else . I said never again with my truck for that weight, that tractor and trailer was slightly over it's limit that I felt comfortable with. If you get stopped by the DOT they might like to see your check book as well for being over loaded.

My buddys thinking of towing a JCB 3c backhoe that weighs 7 or so ton with his 22.000 30ft gooseneck and his one ton heavy duty Ford, I think he's mad I'll tell you how that went next week if the machine gets a deal done on it.
Regards Robert

Heck I have a JCB 3CIII. Dry it's 14,100 pounds. I would not even want to think about hauling it behind a one ton!

I'm with the others here. Find a different tow vehicle before you kill someone.

Rick

Dick L · Jul 16, 2016

My bet would be after you loaded and moved about 50 feet you would say what in the world was I thinking. You would then be kicking yourself for the wasted fuel and the five hour round trip with a tractor still to move.

john in la · Jul 16, 2016

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What are the Different Hitch Classes?

D beatty · Jul 16, 2016

That might be what that chart says but go to Curt hitch charts and they have a class V rated as I stated 2,400lbs. tongue weight with or with out distribution system.

jacksun65 · Jul 16, 2016

Hey Bubba come whatch this you aint gonna believe what's gonna happen.

paul · Jul 16, 2016

Sounds like take off early with a buddy, get there 10:00am, drive the tractor until noon, have lunch stretch a bit, get back in drive until supper and you should be home.

Most 3/4 trucks seem to be around 5-6 ton deals, lot of farmers go over for sure, but doubling it, that's a big stretch.

See a lot of 360 bu wagons come into the elevator behind a pickup here, but that is a short drive on rural roads, folks have the hills and stuff figured out, and have worked up from 1/2 loads to what works for them, stay 30mph and not all the weight on the hitch, nose in the air with a wagon..... Still and all I don't know how these setups stop if something happens, scary....

Can't see a 100+ mile drive so overloaded would work well.

Paul

LAA · Jul 16, 2016

I would not haul that load with a pick up and pintle hitch trailer. I have hauled that much or more plenty of times with a 3/4 ton gas burner but using a goose neck trailer with a 30,000 lb. rated hitch. If the trailer has brakes it helps a lot but we always ease along with heavy loads and stay a good ways back from cars, especially on the interstate. I have a GMC 4500 diesel now and I still keep a good distance between myself and other vehicles.

Nick m · Jul 16, 2016

I wouldn't try it and I think I take more risks than I should. I haul a 12-13k tractor on a gooseneck trailer from time to time with a 3/4 ton pick-up. That's enough. Could probably stretch it another 1-2k lbs, but not another couple tons.

Liquid_wrench · Jul 16, 2016

You need a dump truck,for that size load...at least a 2 or 3 ton truck...a 3/4 ton pickup will not handle that load and the pintle hitch will make it even worse,jerking you around at every start and stop... if you had to brake hard on a curve...that trailer would shove that truck,and jack knife like a toy. I say Don't do it and get a bigger truck.

Keith

NY 986 · Jul 16, 2016

Hire somebody with a suitable dump truck or road tractor to pull your trailer and payload home. Or just drive the backhoe home. If you have a very serious accident you could lose everything including your shirt.

RodinNS · Jul 16, 2016

No... just don't. A buddy of mine moved that kind of weight on a gooseneck with a Dodge 2500HD.... and it completely flattened the truck suspension... front and back. This was moving a dozer a few miles on back roads, not 4 hours away. If you're using a bumper pull pintle trailer... it's just going to upend a 3/4 ton truck. The trailer you need to haul that on a pintle hitch is simply too heavy for a 3/4 to begin with.
I'd say either drive it home or find someone else but don't try hauling it. Not worth the broken parts and weight fines.

Rod

1206SWMO · Jul 16, 2016

I think that I'd pass on the idea of doing that with a pintle hitch trailer.....I'm not saying that its right but in my area I often see 3/4 tons pulling 32 ft tandem axle dual wheel goosenecks with 12,000-15,000 lb tractors on them...Its level here and the traffic isn't heavy..Often they are only hauling them 10-20 miles to the tractor dealer..

Back to the pintle hitch trailers...In 1979 we saw a tractor puller at the Miami,OK tractor pull come thru the gate with a 13,000 lb 1370 Case puller on a pintle hitch trailer....Believe it or not he was pulling it with a 1978 Dodge "Lil Red Express"......We figured that he pulled it the 50 miles over there with another tow vehicle and switched a short ways from the fair grounds just to get people talking......Believe me they did...I wish that I had gotten a picture...

I have driven tractors as far as 300 miles home and it was fun coming thru the open country in Kansas...

mmidlam · Jul 16, 2016

is 8 tons still too much? 5000 lb trailer and 11000 tractor?

centash · Jul 16, 2016

I think the tail would still be wagging the dog..... .Ben

George by Geneva, NY · Jul 16, 2016

I would like to buy about 5 mil of life insurance on you if you try this. Dot/hiway patrol see that and you will probably be red tagged right there, to say nothing of the tickets you will get. Like others say Hire it done and with truck trailer that is rated to handle such loads. Remember he gets the tickets if wrong, it is his equipment that takes the wear and tear and he has to drive. You just sit home and wait until it is unloaded. Pay him and be happy..

moresmoke · Jul 16, 2016

Take pickup and trailer to location of tractor. Hook trailer to tractor, load pickup on trailer, drive home. One trip, one person, and you have wheels if something goes wrong.

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