OT: in the market for gas sipping commuter car..

The wife just took a new job where she's going to be driving a lot. Covering about 8 counties. Her 98 Camry is getting a little long in tooth(it's fine, she just wants something new). I've been looking at the Chevy Cruze's pretty hard but I'm worried about long term reliability. I really like the though of the Eco model or maybe even the diesel. Any one with any experience with them?? Especially the turbo'ed ones and the diesels? Any other recommendation for a smaller car that gets good mpg's??
 
If her company is paying for her mileage, get something comfortable, reliable and safe. Above all make sure it's something that she really likes. I've known a number of people who were saddled with a poor company cars that they wound up hating. They dreaded driving the things, treated the cars poorly, and were glad to get rid of the cars early at the first excuse.
 
I'd stay away from anything but a Toyota or a Honda.
I have a 2008 Honda Fit with auto. get anywhere from worst ever 28mpg up to 36 ? average 32 combined in town and going back and forth to work. Wife and daughter have 2016 Honda HRV all wheel drives and even though they are larger and all wheel drive still get the MPG I get ! Not unusual to see the computer MPG read out at 31-32 mpg in those. Honda CRV all wheel drive are a little less but still good at 26-28 combined.
Likely nothing wrong with getting a new or newer Camry as they are a top seller for Toyota.
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:52 07/14/16) The wife just took a new job where she's going to be driving a lot. Covering about 8 counties. Her 98 Camry is getting a little long in tooth(it's fine, she just wants something new). I've been looking at the Chevy Cruze's pretty hard but I'm worried about long term reliability. I really like the though of the Eco model or maybe even the diesel. Any one with any experience with them?? Especially the turbo'ed ones and the diesels? Any other recommendation for a smaller car that gets good mpg's??

Chevy Bolt
 
I really love my 2014 Corolla. Think its rated for miles per gallon of: 30 city / 42 highway. (I have not actually checked the mileage though... never have on any vehicle - so figure why start the madness now? LOL)

Camry's are nice too... but cost a bit more than a Corolla.
 
I'd stay away from anything honda or toyota just because I,m a true american and like to see our country prosper and not others. makes me sick stay away from everything except honda and toyota you should be ashamed of yourself!
 
My parents have driven Ford Focuses for quite a while now. Never any trouble to speak of, typically mid-30 mpg range, better on longer trips. All indications are that Dad's '04 will rust out before it wears out. About 140,000 on it now. Several cousins and aunts have Fusions. A bit bigger than the Focus, slightly lower mpg. They are all happy with them.
 
Don't have anything newer than a 2001 in the driveway, but rent cars pretty frequently as I travel. Obviously can't speak to reliability or other ownership issues, but generally prefer the "look and feel"/driving experience of the Toyota products to the Chevy. Having said all that I had a Cruze a few weeks ago and it was a pretty good ride. Pretty comfortable in the front seats, nice acceleration/maneuverability, etc. Absolutely no room for a real adult in the rear seat though.

My $0.02,

Kirk
 
You really should check out how many of the parts that go into Gm, Ford and Chrysler are made overseas ! Not to mention how many of their vehicles are made in Canada or Mexico ! It's a Global economy. I buy from the companies that I have the LEAST amount of troubles with ! The company I work for buys parts mainly from overseas Italy makes a lot of hydraulics and crawler tracks we built the frames and assemble here in the USA and ship our products all over the world. This Russian embargo is hurting us as they were just starting to buy a lot of BIG expensive machines right before this happened.
 
So we should shut down all the Honda and Toyota automobile and truck factories in then US?

At a time when my parents were struggling, they bought Ford car and truck over a couple of years. Financial disaster. Breakdowns, engine, tranny major repairs. Nothing but Honda and Nissan for them after that and zero problems.

Not buying crap just because it is American.
 
It doesn't make any difference how many jap made parts go into an American car. Bottom line if you buy a jap car the profit goes back to Japan! If you buy American the profit stays here! Just because a Toyota is assembled in the US doesn't mean the parent company is here!
 
By the way Hondas are so great they just recalled three million of them for faulty Japanese airbags that put out shrapnel. Google takata airbags.
 
Well, it's likely not considered smaller, but if I was buying a car for the purpose you indicated, I'd go with a Chevrolet Impala. I had an 07 that I put 130,000 trouble free miles, and my brother has an 08 that his wife put 170,000 trouble free miles on, just now updating to a larger vehicle due to three kids in car seats. Both of these Impalas had 30 mpg fuel mileage, but they also gave some protection. Yes smaller cars may get 40 mpg, but I just feel like there is nothing around you. I don't trust other drivers on the road enough to travel in the little gas sippers hundreds of miles each day. Safety has a lot of value too.
 
AMEN !

I always figure if the big 3 were building good cars instead of the junk they were Honda and Toyota would never of got a foot hold in this country. Same with Kubota and Yanmars badged as Deere's.
 
(quoted from post at 10:23:07 07/14/16) By the way Hondas are so great they just recalled three million of them for faulty Japanese airbags that put out shrapnel. Google takata airbags.

While your at it google the same for GM, FORD and Chrysler. They all have the same airbag(s) in some or all of their vehicles.
 
Oh really ?? You mean all those American workers that assemble and in most cases, build the parts for the Jap car here, work for free ? They Don't get a wage ? You mean the folks that own or work at a Toyota dealership work for free so all the profits go back to Japan ?? Amazing.
Yeah, a few percent of the selling price of that Jap car goes to Japan, but the vast majority of it gets spent right here.
 
Your used to Toyota reliability, so for a small fuel sipper, look at the best, the Toyota Prius. The new generation 4 Prius that is on sale now, is an honest 60 mpg car, that has through the last 15 years proved to be one of the most reliable cars on the road.
 
My father gave me his '99 Camry V6 at 90k miles. I put on another 100, it was stone reliable. For a 'commuter car' you might consider checking with dealers who specialize in used vehicles from car rental companies. One such dealer is Blue Knob Auto in PA (www.blueknobauto.com). Most of they're cars have less than 15k miles and are like new, for maybe 2/3 the price of new. They are the nicest car dealer I have ever been to. Didn't have to worry about the salesman being a jerk. They are used to people coming from out of state. In fact they have a map on the wall showing people coming from all over the US. May be worth the drive from KY, check them out.
 
I'll never forget the day I jump started a snotty colleague's new Prius one cold January day with my worn out Chevy Astro. The look on her face was priceless.

Glenn F.
NEWI
 
my mechanic buddy says to stay away from the Cruse and anything VW

what kind of fuel milage are you looking for?

better mileage id look at the dart or focus

id personnally look at a dodge charger with v6 had a rental and if you behaved the mileage computer showed about 32 with freeway driving. nice, roomy didn't drive like a big car

also had a ford fussion. it also about 30-32 highway. rode ok. hate ford's interior layouts.

i'd love to have a diesel something. had a diesel rental over in Ireland, midsized (a bit bigger than a cruse) with automatic and got around 50-52ish
 

Keep in mind that those smaller, econobox cars are the ones that are built using cheaper components. Ignition switches that shut off all by themselves, air bag inflators that corrode and fail, etc., etc. If you want your wife to come back home in one piece at the end of the day, stay away from those econoboxes.

I'd much rather drive a 1/2 ton pickup truck that gets 20 miles per gallon and is dependable as well as comfortable, than to drive a small car that MIGHT get 30 mpg.
 
Thank you! It gets me how these so called 'Conservatives' are so quick to sell our own Country down the river by supporting non-Christian Nations. End of Rant, but again, Thank You.
 
I would agree with the Impala statement - we have a couple as office cars and they get driven like they were stolen every time they leave the lot and still average about 26 MPG - if driven with a little a care I could see 28-30 pretty easy out of them.
 
(quoted from post at 15:28:16 07/14/16) I'd stay away from anything honda or toyota just because I,m a true american and like to see our country prosper and not others. makes me sick stay away from everything except honda and toyota you should be ashamed of yourself!

Buy a Honda and support American (Marysville, Ohio) auto workers. Check your fact before you spout off, otherwise you just contribute to the ignorance being spewed on the Internet.
 
I like my Subaru Outback.
Always 30 mpg or more and for a full time all wheel drive, that is not bad. I have 91K on my 2010 and had rear brake pads put on a few months ago. that's it other than oil changes. Looking at tires before winter. Still original tires. Great safety ratings also. I love it so much I bought the wife a 2014. When I retire, I might go try to sell these at a dealership someplace.
Good luck with what ever you decide.
 
(quoted from post at 17:12:05 07/14/16) Oh really ?? Yeah, a few percent of the selling price of that Jap car goes to Japan, but the vast majority of it gets spent right here.

To add to it... reinvest in facilities here that pay suppliers and contractors and architect and good wages to construction workers and good prices for land, and taxes to schools and fire departments and local governments.
 
(quoted from post at 18:07:44 07/14/16) And today's present day America is a "Christian" nation?

Amen, we live in a world that is mostly non-christian. Should we just shut ourselves off and not deal with any body?
 
Well those cheap parts are sought out by all makers to boost profits !
GM has the big ignition switch fiasco and it is across all of there lines. Pending lawsuits for deaths in plenty GM trucks with bad switches.
Takata must be the only air bag supplier in the world ? as all makers used them and have recalls pending on them.
 
I hope your outbacks don't end up with the oil burning problem my sister has with her 2013 forester. google it. Yours are on the list I believe.
 
So, what kind of miles is she actually going to be driving? Is is all freeway or paved roads, or will there be dirt roads and field roads? Does she expect to haul stuff with her or have to be dressed up and stay clean all day? Not enough info for a complete answer- you can look up what car gets the best mileage if that truly is the only criteria. Diesels usually get better mileage, but the fuel has been more expensive than gasoline, not always as available, and some people just don't want to deal with it.

We had a customer at the old job who sold casting sand products to steel foundries, he drove over 100,000 miles each year, and annually replaced his work vehicle with similar Impalas and Taurus models, for a combination of reliability and comfort,
 
Wife has a 2011 Cruze Eco. Gets 36-40mpg. Works for her. If we had to do it again, the Buick Verano would be it. Nicer seats.
 

I would keep the 98 Camry in good working order. I work on one that has 475K on it, it runs out very well. He does keep it up and even went as far as to spend the money to replace all 4 strut assy to get the original ride back. Those 3/4K oil changes have paid back dividends :shock:
 

From 2008 to 2012, GM alone has invested $450 million in a new plant in Argentina, over $1 billion in a new plant in Wuhan, China, $500 million for two new plants in Brazil, $200 million for an engine plant in Thailand, $540 million for an engine plant in Mexico, another $420 million for new vehicle production in Mexico, and $150 million for a new plant in Indonesia. Additionally, GM has promised another $1 billion for new production in Russia, it has signed over millions in battery and other electric car technology to Chinese partners in exchange for a joint development center in China (PATAC), and has increased annual global sourcing of India-made parts from $500 million to $1 billion. In Europe, where GM has lost $16.4 billion since 1999, and now faces the same overcapacity issues that contributed to bankruptcy, it has closed only one plant (where it paid workers around $200,000 each in severance) and is now giving raises to German workers. This list is by no means comprehensive, but the message is clear: Having cut American jobs to the bone before and during the bailout, GM is now lavishing investment on everyone else, undercutting any expectation of increased American auto exports.


Chrysler may not be pulling Jeep production out of Ohio, as Mr. Romney apparently believed, but neither is it discussing exporting Jeeps from Ohio to the growth market of China. In fact, while Chinese-built Jeeps would likely be sold in China, Chrysler's parent firm Fiat is reportedly "keen" to produce Jeep and Chrysler models in Italy, for export to the U.S. So not only are America's bailed-out automakers not turning the U.S. into an auto exporting powerhouse as promised, they're actually working to increase the number of cars America imports, and working against the president's auto bailout promises.
 
My dad has a 2014 charger with v6 8spd gets around 31-36 hwy and 26 around town . I have to tell him to slow down all the time. he wants to do 80 on hwy don't even ask what he does on the back roads.
 
That info alone should have everyone running away from buying GM and Chrysler products nothing American about those companies and their actions.
 
Casey, don't forget safety. And no the current safety rating system isn't a good guide. That's because it's base of class size. Something small isn't tested to the same standards as something larger. So a small car with a 5 star rating might not even pass the test for a full sized car. That means when so drunken moron runs a stop sign in his full size car and tee bones your wife she may live or die depending on what she is driving.

Rick
 
At least test drive a Ford Focus, Medium small but sips gasoline. Eco Boost 1 liter engine is an option. Jim
 
2008-2011 Ford Focus. We have one drive it like a rental car, oh wait it was one before we got it. It had 35,000 miles on it and now it has around 145,000. It gets 32-35 mpg at 70-75 mph in the hills of KY. Winter blend of gas will bring it down to 30 mpg.

Drive it gentle (flat road @45 mph) and it will get 45 mpg. Only done that once on the east coast, speed limit was 45 mph and we ran a tank of gas out exploring the outer banks. When I filled it back up I had to check the math 3 times cause I did not believe it.

I would stay away from the 2012 and newer Focus as they have dual clutches and electronic shift junk that are giving trouble. Ford even re-did the warranty on the transmission for those vehicles. I have also heard bad stuff on the Nissan CVT transmissions as well and Nissan even re-did their transmission. Warranty to 10 years/100,000 miles. Maybe someone else that actually has a newer Focus or CVT car and inform us as we are also looking for a good smaller car for our son.
 
WB you are not very bright to spout off yourself. that is a drop in the bucket . what your narrow minded self don't understand is if they are hiring 100 people they have cost 1,000's more in jobs that would have been here from an AMERICAN company all Those JAPANESE companys employ many more people in their homeland which is what we (U.S. auto makers)would be doing if jap cars did not take over from nitwits buying the garbage.and assembled in America is one thing actually being an American company is entirely different so where does your allegiance lie?I find people like you akin to a traitor , my thought is if you like to support their economy so much you should move there because that is where all the profit goes, son!
 
(quoted from post at 10:36:01 07/14/16) Well those cheap parts are sought out by all makers to boost profits !
GM has the big ignition switch fiasco and it is across all of there lines. Pending lawsuits for deaths in plenty GM trucks with bad switches.
Takata must be the only air bag supplier in the world ? as all makers used them and have recalls pending on them.

We own a 2001 Silverado, and a 2012 Silverado. Neither has ever had a recall for anything. Not for ignition switches. Not for airbags. The 2012 has never been back to the dealer for anything other than routine maintenance. NEVER for any warranty work. The Equinox we had before the Silverado was back to the dealer countless times for warranty work. Likewise the Durango before that, and I won't even talk about the Trailblazer before that.
 
(quoted from post at 09:02:29 07/14/16) AMEN !

I always figure if the big 3 were building good cars instead of the junk they were Honda and Toyota would never of got a foot hold in this country. Same with Kubota and Yanmars badged as Deere's.

Actually Kubota got it's start in the US way back in the 70's when you went from an air cooled garden tractor to a utility tractor like the Ford 2000. The original Kubota's you saw here filled a gap between the garden tractor and that days utility.

Rick
 
I have known a number of Hondas and they have always been good with no expensive problems long term.
 
For some reason when the EPA checked the 3.6 Charger it only got 18 MPG City and 27 MPG highway. Its a heavy car with poor crash ratings.
 
(quoted from post at 10:28:16 07/14/16) I'd stay away from anything honda or toyota just because I,m a true american and like to see our country prosper and not others. makes me sick stay away from everything except honda and toyota you should be ashamed of yourself!

Honda and Toyota are build here yet my GMC truck was built in Mexico.
Please explain your foreign content and job concerns.
 
This is a good general point. Those safety tests are skewed.

I became more aware of this during my time on the local VFD and working motor vehicle accidents.
 
(quoted from post at 07:28:16 07/14/16) I'd stay away from anything honda or toyota just because I,m a true american and like to see our country prosper and not others. makes me sick stay away from everything except honda and toyota you should be ashamed of yourself!

Put your address up and get ready for an inspection!
 
So how does buying a car made in a different country with a few dollars profit sent back to the US really do much good for the US? Add to that Ford and GM do all they can to avoid paying taxes anyways. The profits that go back to share holders do less good than the good wages that a factory worker gets paid, the taxes paid to the state, county, municipality etc., the companies that truck the parts into the factory, the parts that only make logistical sense to make in the US. Such a small minded way of thinking.
To add to all this, does it occur to you that there is a reason that Toyota and Honda, specifically Toyota, are as large as they are? If GM had made good cars that were as good as what Toyota and Honda offered, there would have never been a reason to buy a Japanese car, especially given the stigma that was initially attached to buying a Japanese made anything. People got past that, because in there minds, they couldn't justify buying an inferior car just because it was made by an American company. You want some American family to struggle financially, because of the POS car they bought for no other reason than it was made by an American company, when they could buy a Japanese car, and not continuously empty their pocket book to pay for repairs on their crappy American car?
 
(quoted from post at 16:41:19 07/14/16) For some reason when the EPA checked the 3.6 Charger it only got 18 MPG City and 27 MPG highway. Its a heavy car with poor crash ratings.


Crash rating IN IT's SIZE CLASS. That's the key here. I'll bet money that you are safer in a full sized car with a 3 star rating over a small car with a 5 star rating. They actually test to different standards. Let me put it this way. You are 8 times more likely to sustain serious injury or die in a small car over a full size car. They came up with the rating system and when applied small car sales tanked. So they start rating by class. What they counted on is that most people hear 5 stars and stop listening. What they don't hear is "in it's size class". There are a lot of dead people who you could put this on their head stones "it got great mileage". I can buy more gas. I can't buy another life.



Rick
 
(quoted from post at 20:23:08 07/14/16) So how does buying a car made in a different country with a few dollars profit sent back to the US really do much good for the US? Add to that Ford and GM do all they can to avoid paying taxes anyways. The profits that go back to share holders do less good than the good wages that a factory worker gets paid, the taxes paid to the state, county, municipality etc., the companies that truck the parts into the factory, the parts that only make logistical sense to make in the US. Such a small minded way of thinking.
To add to all this, does it occur to you that there is a reason that Toyota and Honda, specifically Toyota, are as large as they are? If GM had made good cars that were as good as what Toyota and Honda offered, there would have never been a reason to buy a Japanese car, especially given the stigma that was initially attached to buying a Japanese made anything. People got past that, because in there minds, they couldn't justify buying an inferior car just because it was made by an American company. You want some American family to struggle financially, because of the POS car they bought for no other reason than it was made by an American company, when they could buy a Japanese car, and not continuously empty their pocket book to pay for repairs on their crappy American car?

Gotta question part of that. Someone who has billions invested spends a heck of a lot more than a factory worker so just how isn't fantastic for businesses in general?

2nd question? That means that I can buy a Toyota or Honda, that will seat 8 and will double as a farm truck pulling livestock trailer, grain and hay wagons and have 312,000 on it at trade? With one wheel bearing, transmission at 258,000 miles, 1 alternator, one water pump, one starter, one pitman arm, 2 heater motors and a fuel pump as repairs? Really? Which models and you say they are more reliable? Heck the last 3 Ford cars my wife drove all went over 200 and the most expensive repair was an alternator on any of them. 1 each. So I guess I should have had her driving a Toyota or Honda cause they must be able to do that with no repairs at all?

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 00:23:14 07/15/16)
(quoted from post at 20:23:08 07/14/16) So how does buying a car made in a different country with a few dollars profit sent back to the US really do much good for the US? Add to that Ford and GM do all they can to avoid paying taxes anyways. The profits that go back to share holders do less good than the good wages that a factory worker gets paid, the taxes paid to the state, county, municipality etc., the companies that truck the parts into the factory, the parts that only make logistical sense to make in the US. Such a small minded way of thinking.
To add to all this, does it occur to you that there is a reason that Toyota and Honda, specifically Toyota, are as large as they are? If GM had made good cars that were as good as what Toyota and Honda offered, there would have never been a reason to buy a Japanese car, especially given the stigma that was initially attached to buying a Japanese made anything. People got past that, because in there minds, they couldn't justify buying an inferior car just because it was made by an American company. You want some American family to struggle financially, because of the POS car they bought for no other reason than it was made by an American company, when they could buy a Japanese car, and not continuously empty their pocket book to pay for repairs on their crappy American car?

Gotta question part of that. Someone who has billions invested spends a heck of a lot more than a factory worker so just how isn't fantastic for businesses in general?

2nd question? That means that I can buy a Toyota or Honda, that will seat 8 and will double as a farm truck pulling livestock trailer, grain and hay wagons and have 312,000 on it at trade? With one wheel bearing, transmission at 258,000 miles, 1 alternator, one water pump, one starter, one pitman arm, 2 heater motors and a fuel pump as repairs? Really? Which models and you say they are more reliable? Heck the last 3 Ford cars my wife drove all went over 200 and the most expensive repair was an alternator on any of them. 1 each. So I guess I should have had her driving a Toyota or Honda cause they must be able to do that with no repairs at all?

Rick

Any reason that you are making an apples to oranges comparison ? A commuter car vs a tow vehicle is a lame excuse to support a xenophobic perspective .
 
Bought my wife a new Mazda CX5 in February.We always had used North American made cars and trucks in the past but our son was working for the Mazda dealer and I have had several Ford built Mazda designed Rangers that I have been satisfied with over the years.It seems like every car we have had in the last 20 years has been worse than the one before.I didn't want to buy offshore or new for that matter but as long as the domestic automakers continue to build inferior vehicles they haven't earned my business.I have usually bought 4 to 6 year old cars intending to be the last owner as I believe that is the best value.The last car was a Dodge Caliber we bought with 17000 km on it built at Chryslers Belvidere plant.In my opinion it was poorly designed,built from inferior parts and apparently poorly assembled at the plant.The only saving grace was that Wharnecliffe Chrysler bent over backwards to give us good after sale service.The CX5 has been great so far but it may be too early to tell.The tire pressure sensors are the only thing to give trouble so far.Twice the light has come on but the dealer checked and said it was a false alarm both times.

All that being said the CX5 might be more car than you want to buy and the smaller CX3s are supposed to be less comfortable
 
This is not a good question to be asked here.
You will get as many different answers as there are posters. I will add my opinion. As an experienced mechanic, I have made a few observations.
First, I do not like foreign cars for several reasons. For the record, I define a foreign car as one whose manufacturer is originated from another country regardless of where they were built or of domestic content. The parts as a general rule are overpriced as compared to domestic brands.
Second, foreign cars are much more difficult to service and repair.
Third, I believe in supporting our own economy and workers rather than those of another nation. Yes, I know that there will be a bit of flak on this one. Still, the profits from a Ford stay in this country for the most part. Profits from a Toyota go to the people that brought up Pearl Harbor.

This much you can be certain of: there will be good and bad in every make and model. Sometimes you just get a bad car. Sometimes, it will run forever. I suggest that you make your choice based on your own needs and preferences. Regardless of whose opinion you value, you (or your wife) will ultimately be the ones to live with that decision.

Be warned, though. There is no guarantee that the car you get will be trouble free or that you will be totally satisfied. There is also no guarantee that you will not be satisfied. No matter what make you decide on. You pay your maney and you take your chances.
 
(quoted from post at 19:57:03 07/14/16) And they used even more to build car factorys in China

Do you know why they saved the Buick brand and not Pontiac or Saturn? Buick is one of the biggest sellers in China and is respected as a desirable luxury car. Would we call that selling out to the Chinese or just a good business decision.
 
(quoted from post at 21:36:19 07/14/16) That info alone should have everyone running away from buying GM and Chrysler products nothing American about those companies and their actions.

And Honda has invested millions more into plants and equipment in Marysville, OH, and decided to build their NSX super car here. Seems they are a bit more committed to the U.S. than some others...hmmm?
 
(quoted from post at 22:06:41 07/14/16) WB you are not very bright to spout off yourself. that is a drop in the bucket . what your narrow minded self don't understand is if they are hiring 100 people they have cost 1,000's more in jobs that would have been here from an AMERICAN company all Those JAPANESE companys employ many more people in their homeland which is what we (U.S. auto makers)would be doing if jap cars did not take over from nitwits buying the garbage.and assembled in America is one thing actually being an American company is entirely different so where does your allegiance lie?I find people like you akin to a traitor , my thought is if you like to support their economy so much you should move there because that is where all the profit goes, son!

I don't think you know much about global business (and you call me not bright?). I don't have time or space to explain it to you. the real ignorance is folks buying a Chevy or Ford and thinking they are getting an American product. Your brand of protectionism would be a huge fail for us and would tank the economy.

Upshot is the U.S. automakers made their bed with inferior quality product and shoddy management and uncaring labor that let other auto makers into the market. The market responded by buying the better product and actually boosted (forced?) the domestics into designing and building a more quality product. What product I buy has nothing to do with allegiance, but I've been burned way too much by Ford/GM/Chrysler and avoid them to this day. I buy the quality product, and for me it's not the "big three" although I'd consider a Ford truck if I was buying new. Too bad if that offends you but that's the way it is.

My recommendation to the OP is a Subaru. My current one (a Forester) has 173,000 and not ONE repair and averages 30 mpg. Even the tires went 170,000 before needing replaced.
 
(quoted from post at 07:56:34 07/15/16)
Still, the profits from a Ford stay in this country for the most part. Profits from a Toyota go to the people that brought up Pearl Harbor.

Profits are distributed to shareholders - none of which are required to be US citizens. So Ford share holders who happen to be Japanese citizens, get their profit paid out to their home country at the end of the day.
 
Upshot is the U.S. automakers made their bed with inferior quality product and shoddy management and uncaring labor that let other auto makers into the market. The market responded by buying the better product and actually boosted (forced?) the domestics into designing and building a more quality product. What product I buy has nothing to do with allegiance, but I've been burned way too much by Ford/GM/Chrysler and avoid them to this day. I buy the quality product, and for me it's not the "big three" although I'd consider a Ford truck if I was buying new. Too bad if that offends you but that's the way it is.

Well said.
 
(quoted from post at 09:59:22 07/15/16) And they gladly accepted the Canadian bailout money too.Now they are closing plants in Ontario.

Ontario wants clean and green so Governemt policy is to industry from the Province with taxes, regulations and over priced electricity .
 
(quoted from post at 09:59:22 07/15/16) And they gladly accepted the Canadian bailout money too.Now they are closing plants in Ontario.

Ontario wants clean and green so Governemt policy is to industry from the Province with taxes, regulations and over priced electricity .
 
(quoted from post at 07:05:03 07/15/16)
(quoted from post at 00:23:14 07/15/16)
(quoted from post at 20:23:08 07/14/16) So how does buying a car made in a different country with a few dollars profit sent back to the US really do much good for the US? Add to that Ford and GM do all they can to avoid paying taxes anyways. The profits that go back to share holders do less good than the good wages that a factory worker gets paid, the taxes paid to the state, county, municipality etc., the companies that truck the parts into the factory, the parts that only make logistical sense to make in the US. Such a small minded way of thinking.
To add to all this, does it occur to you that there is a reason that Toyota and Honda, specifically Toyota, are as large as they are? If GM had made good cars that were as good as what Toyota and Honda offered, there would have never been a reason to buy a Japanese car, especially given the stigma that was initially attached to buying a Japanese made anything. People got past that, because in there minds, they couldn't justify buying an inferior car just because it was made by an American company. You want some American family to struggle financially, because of the POS car they bought for no other reason than it was made by an American company, when they could buy a Japanese car, and not continuously empty their pocket book to pay for repairs on their crappy American car?

Gotta question part of that. Someone who has billions invested spends a heck of a lot more than a factory worker so just how isn't fantastic for businesses in general?

2nd question? That means that I can buy a Toyota or Honda, that will seat 8 and will double as a farm truck pulling livestock trailer, grain and hay wagons and have 312,000 on it at trade? With one wheel bearing, transmission at 258,000 miles, 1 alternator, one water pump, one starter, one pitman arm, 2 heater motors and a fuel pump as repairs? Really? Which models and you say they are more reliable? Heck the last 3 Ford cars my wife drove all went over 200 and the most expensive repair was an alternator on any of them. 1 each. So I guess I should have had her driving a Toyota or Honda cause they must be able to do that with no repairs at all?

Rick

Any reason that you are making an apples to oranges comparison ? A commuter car vs a tow vehicle is a lame excuse to support a xenophobic perspective .

Tow vehicle? It's mostly used as a passenger car. My wife commutes with it. So that makes it a commuter car. A very reliable one made by GM. Toyota has just like the other companies, had massive recalls. So that means that neither Honda or Toyota builds a vehicle that can compare. Sorry you don't like that. They also fail in another aspect. Last time I was in the bigger Toyota pickup there was no head room.

Now am I happy about the bailout money? NO! But I didn't have any control over that.

Rick
 
I have an '01 VW Jetta TDI for running around and back and forth to work. Nice car, only one I've been in and out of without hitting m head (I'm 6' tall), gets 39-41 mpg, and other than old age issues has been a good car for the last year and a half and 30,000 miles. Mine has 235,000 on it. I'd look at them for sure for my next one, I drive 16 mile to work but that will be changing to 50 real soon. -Andy
 
(quoted from post at 14:25:20 07/15/16) 39-41 mpg, and other than old age issues has been a good car for the last year and a half and 30,000 miles. Mine has 235,000 on it. I'd look at them for sure for my next one, I drive 16 mile to work but that will be changing to 50 real soon. -Andy

My daughter had a 5 speed zx2(Escort) since 02 and just traded it in on a 2016 Focus 5 speed. The old Escort had 220k miles and no engine trouble and original clutch that when she bought it I told her she would be putting a clutch in it before 100k.
My daughter in law put 278k commuter miles on 05 Taurus with no engine or tranny troubles and they were short on routine maintenance. I guess we are a Ford family.
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:52 07/14/16) The wife just took a new job where she's going to be driving a lot. Covering about 8 counties. Her 98 Camry is getting a little long in tooth(it's fine, she just wants something new). I've been looking at the Chevy Cruze's pretty hard but I'm worried about long term reliability. I really like the though of the Eco model or maybe even the diesel. Any one with any experience with them?? Especially the turbo'ed ones and the diesels? Any other recommendation for a smaller car that gets good mpg's??

Last year we bought my wife a Nissan Rogue. It was less than $20K. We only have about 12K on it but it hasn't been back to the dealer other than oil changes. We are getting an average of about 31-32MPG and the best of 34 on the highway. I'm 6'2" and 230, it's very comfortable for me. This is the 1st vehicle for us that wasn't from the big three. We are very satisfied.
 

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