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Not tractor related at all, but if any of you served in Japan this is kind thing you didn't want to hear. I just read the Navy bans all alcohol in Japan, and confines all sailors to their base. That's going to make a lot of people unhappy. After being stationed in Japan myself, After a week or so, you see all the sights of interest. Then about the only thing left to do is the night life in the bars off base, or the base club. This happened because of the action of a couple stupid people, one attacked a girl, the other was drunk, and involved in a wreck. Stan
 
The captain of our ship. Made it clear that if we got into serious trouble like this. He would leave our butts behind.To face the local justice system. I know of four that he did leave.
 
I have never seen the need to hang out in a bar. The personal should not have the time to mess around in bars and such. Never did understand why alcohol was on bases any way. Alcohol just makes people do stupid things. There is no need for it.


Also there should not be any "need" to train military personal on the fact that they are under a microscope when in another country. The Navy should make sure that any proven transgressions are double punished.
 
My son has couple weeks left over there. May not have included Marines. They have lost liberty several times in the 2 years he has been there. Someone being stupid.
 
Shoot back when I was in the Navy we had vending machines that had beer in them in the barracks so if you where in the Navy and you had the $$ you could drink when off duty but now days that is not so. I think and my dad do also that if you where old enough to take the oath you are old enough to have a drink. Sadly to many things have changed since I was in
 
Sadly what things where like back in sy the 60s 70 and early 80s are no longer as they are now days. I sure back when you where in you had vending machines in the barrack that you could buy a beer from but not any more. Shoot you now have to be 21 to drink if your in the military
 
This has always been a problem, not just in Japan, but wherever US troops are stationed. They represent our Country, but not always in a good, respectable manner. They deserve to be punished accordingly. They made their choice. When you serve in Special Ops, the caliber of people is such that those incidents are few. Common troops don"t share the same sense of values.
 
What's really bad about it is the locals are being conditioned to think ALL American's are like the ones that got into trouble.

What needs to happen is the ones who got into trouble need to be prosecuted in the most public manner possible, by either the Military, or the local authorities.

As for pulling all liberty, that is just plain stupid. In years past something like a week of restrictions, etc, for every body, might have worked as those who didn't get into trouble would 'insure' those that did were handled and didn't do it again.

Now days, any form of 'vigilanteism' within the ranks is frowned upon.....in favor of just punishing everyone for the actions of a few.

Again, all this does is keep the locals thinking that ALL American's need to be kept away because NONE of them can be trusted not to cause trouble........
 
Does the military still have firing squads? Maybe they need to re-activate them and eliminate the perpetrators.
 
There are bad apples in every barrel,when you have young men grouped together for long periods there is going to be some problems when they hit the streets sometimes.Back in the early 70's
I was going to school in Norfolk and downtown Norfolk was quite a scene in the bars.SP and Norfolk Police kept busy on weekend nights,Norfolk Police back then wouldn't put up with
much and all had shotguns on a rack in the front seat of their cars and some posted on sidewalk corners downtown at night carried shotguns and they didn't hesitate to use them.
 
(quoted from post at 19:53:39 06/06/16) Not tractor related at all, but if any of you served in Japan this is kind thing you didn't want to hear. I just read the Navy bans all alcohol in Japan, and confines all sailors to their base. That's going to make a lot of people unhappy. After being stationed in Japan myself, After a week or so, you see all the sights of interest. Then about the only thing left to do is the night life in the bars off base, or the base club. This happened because of the action of a couple stupid people, one attacked a girl, the other was drunk, and involved in a wreck. Stan
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his is also a punishment to the areas around the base's. Many places can not survive without the military dollars. The economic impact of our military is a lot greater that most locals think. Shut down the money for a few months and they will come to understand this better. Please understand I do not advocate the lawless acts of those who caused these actions to be taken.
 
Well they get sent to boot camp and get kill ,kill, kill, drilled into their heads for 13 weeks then somebody expects them to behave? Civilians hate the military around every base foreign or domestic.
 
(quoted from post at 04:51:50 06/07/16) I was in 68-72. I didn't see beer in the barracks until I got to Subic Bay. Had to be 21 to drink also.
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ent to Treasure Island after boot camp for Navy damage control/firefighter training and as Old has said beer in vending machines in the barracks, I don't recall one way or the other at other areas, may be or may not, cannot recall. This was in the summer of 73.
 
When I went on a "Tiger cruise" on my sons ship, I smuggled in a bunch of half pints of Jack Daniels. Soon as I got on the ship my son started distributing the hootch. Gave the chiefs a good share.

I was everybodys friend after that, had the run of the ship and got any kind of favor I needed.

They had been at sea for several weeks, and when they picked us up in Miami for the two day Tiger cruise, they had not had a chance to get off the ship, so my gift was much appreciated.

Gene
 
(quoted from post at 20:25:57 06/06/16) I have never seen the need to hang out in a bar. The personal should not have the time to mess around in bars and such. Never did understand why alcohol was on bases any way. Alcohol just makes people do stupid things. There is no need for it.


Also there should not be any "need" to train military personal on the fact that they are under a microscope when in another country. The Navy should make sure that any proven transgressions are double punished.
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Shouldn't have time to mess around in bars? What? They are supposed to have no off duty time? With an all volunteer force that ain't going to work to well. Funny thing is that in 1974 we did PT at 0800 with the last formations around 1700-1730. Then some officer came up with the idea that if they did PT at 0600 the troops would be too tired to go downtown at night and hit the bars after quitting time at 1700-1730. Nothing changed! I was never one to hit the bars either. But I understand that some are just going to do that. I think a lot because they are away from their parents and the local community and can act up. Same way a lot of kids do when they go off to college.

Our laws prevent someone from getting double punishment. I don't think that should change at all. On the other hand when they court martial someone they charge them with everything they can think of. I've seen guys charged with rape also be charged with drunk and disorderly, conduct unbecoming, simple assault plus the rape. Often the military penalty is much stiffer than had the perpetrator been charged as a civilian. 20 years for a rape wasn't unheard of when civilians were getting 5.

JD I think you are way off base here. While I personally think rape should have a very harsh sentence double punishment means that when someone joins up they no longer are and American citizen?

Rick
 
That is odd. When I was in 74-80 we had beer in the barracks and it did not matter how old you where. but then we where navy so it might not have been the same if you where not navy
 
You better talk to the recruiters about that. It is bad enough living under the dictatorship of military law and now you are saying no base liberty and no alcohol. Your new military will not have many members.
 
personal you mean personnel . If you filled out military log books you would know how to spell that . This tells me you may have not been in the military and probably should not try to run the ship. lol
 
Several years ago, some environmentalists got upset about the U.S. Navy using an offshore island off of Puerto Rico for aerial bombing practice.

The Navy then said if we can't use that island for bombing practice, we don't need the Naval Air Station at Roosevelt Roads. That put a WHOLE different spin on the situation. "Rosy Roads" is still there and I assume the island is still used for bombing practice. (Been there several times).
 
(quoted from post at 09:09:28 06/07/16) Geez oldtanker how many rapists were in your unit. Sounds like alot from your posting.
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LOL smart ask! When ever there was a serious charge against a service member it was in the military news papers.

Old they changed the polity on the drinking age way back in the late 80's or early 90's. Now it's governed by the local area. If the drinking age is 21 then that's the age on post/base too. MADD was behind that. Something else that's different sense the early 90's. E2's make enough that they can get financed for a new bottom end vehicle. Heck in the early 90's they would have the MP's show up for 0600 PT formation and breathalyze everyone. Anyone who had a positive, over about a .03/4 was charged with drinking on duty, over .08 drunk on duty and if under 21 underage consumption. They didn't do it often but once every 6 months or so. Anyone under the age of 21 who smelled of booze was taken to the MP station and tested at any time.

Jim, yea people who go SF generally have more self discipline that the average soldier. Heck when I went to BNCOC (2nd level NCO school for you civilian types) it was a lock down course complete with bed checks. After I graduated I went and talked to the commandant of the NCO school to ask why. I was told that too many people had either been flunking or getting in trouble and getting kicked out when before the NCO's after duty hours could come and go as they wished. I told him then and still think that at the 2nd level if you are not professional enough to attend that school, study and stay out of trouble then you shouldn't be there in the first place and most likely shouldn't be a junior NCO to start with. Going to party just because you are away from the home base and your spouse isn't the mark of a professional. They were talking about locking down ANCOC when I attended that school too for the same reasons.

Rick
 
Rosy Roads has been gone for several years now. and the puerto rican gov is broke, wonder why. Same with the phillapines
 
dr sportster: I did my time!!! There is this wonderful thing called spell check that just drives me nuts. It corrects to the most common word not necessarily the one you meant.

As for time on duty and performance. Asked any man/woman who has been in combat if they got evenings off to hang out in bars???? All branches of the Armed services have made many positions JOBS rather than postings. This is fine and dandy as long as everyone realizes that they better toe the line. That has not been the case for awhile in Japan on the Navy bases. Things have gotten too loose.
 
(quoted from post at 20:32:16 06/07/16) dr sportster: I did my time!!! There is this wonderful thing called spell check that just drives me nuts. It corrects to the most common word not necessarily the one you meant.

As for time on duty and performance. Asked any man/woman who has been in combat if they got evenings off to hang out in bars???? All branches of the Armed services have made many positions JOBS rather than postings. This is fine and dandy as long as everyone realizes that they better toe the line. That has not been the case for awhile in Japan on the Navy bases. Things have gotten too loose.
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JD if you go back through history and look at it rapes have occurred on the battlefield to include member of US forces. There were many cases in WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. The US military most often handled them and they just didn't make headline news stories. Plus many US service members have been tried and convicted of rapes while serving as occupation forces in Germany, Italy and Japan after WWII was over, again handled by the military. On another point the Brits complained about US troops in combat drinking way too much and way too often. Seems that as they moved through Europe many US soldiers would booze it up as front line troops if they found booze in buildings they had just captured. The Brits thought that was pretty dangerous. I will agree that the guys in the bush in Viet Nam didn't see much in the way of booze cause there just wasn't any.

Plus for a long time limited drinking on duty was allowed by regulation clear up into the early 80's even though most commanders could and did ban that. But my first tour in Germany 76-78 we were allowed to consume 2 12 OZ beers with lunch. Thing was you had to go off post to eat. When I was a kid the NCO clubs in the 60's was open for lunch and sold beer starting about 1100 hours. I remember my dad complaining about that because he though it was wrong.

Someone in the early 80's claimed that the military fostered a culture of drinking and to a certain extent it did. Unit parties were drunk fests with enough beer to get everyone drunk. Saw that many time with my own eyes. In my early career I was about the most sober person in the platoons that I was in. Not because I'm a great guy or against drinking but because I was married with kids and they had to come first and did, that didn't leave a lot to drink on. But I was one of the very few. Heck back in the 70's sometimes it seem that if you didn't have a DUI you were not one of the "boys". By the late 80's it was common to kick guys out of any rank for an alcohol related incident. And we did! Units that returned from Iraq and Afghanistan had unbelievable alcohol related incidents and DUI's shortly after they returned. By 05 it was common for units to get back and be locked down the first 2-3 weeks to keep em from getting in trouble downtown or DUI's. Yea they could have booze in the barracks but they couldn't go "down range". The bad part there is a unit's DUI rate can and will reflect on a commanders career.

Rick
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but the Navy does not drill, 'Kill, Kill, Kill' into anyone's head. In fact, the whole idea of boot camp had already started getting easier, and more PC, when I left RTC Great Lakes for my first schools back in '86.

Now days, from what I understand, we have a 'kinder, gentler' military, all around. At least that's what THEY want to happen........
 
(quoted from post at 23:29:56 06/07/16) I hate to burst your bubble, but the Navy does not drill, 'Kill, Kill, Kill' into anyone's head. In fact, the whole idea of boot camp had already started getting easier, and more PC, when I left RTC Great Lakes for my first schools back in '86.

Now days, from what I understand, we have a 'kinder, gentler' military, all around. At least that's what THEY want to happen........
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LOL, yea it is a "kinder, Gentler" military. They Marines and Army still push killing, the Army though has gone to "One Station Unit Training" though so mostly it's the combat arms people who get the "kill, kill, kill.

When my youngest son joined the Navy one of my other sons and I drove to Great Lakes Naval to see him graduate boot camp. My other son and I had both been combat arms in the Army, me a tanker and he infantry. We got there in time to see other trainees marching off for training. The formations were ragged and they were out of step plus singing "Bingo" as a cadence. I know in the Army in boot camp if our formations looked that bad we would have been pushing our piece of earth to China and we never ever sang a wimpy song for cadence.

The youngest did his 4 years, got out and joined the Army, infantry. He came home after basic and said it was a lot tuffer than Navy boot.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 16:36:27 06/07/16) When I went on a "Tiger cruise" on my sons ship, I smuggled in a bunch of half pints of Jack Daniels. Soon as I got on the ship my son started distributing the hootch. Gave the chiefs a good share.

I was everybodys friend after that, had the run of the ship and got any kind of favor I needed.

They had been at sea for several weeks, and when they picked us up in Miami for the two day Tiger cruise, they had not had a chance to get off the ship, so my gift was much appreciated.

Gene
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You got lucky. We got underway once with civilian contractors on board. One was the son of the owner of the company doing the work. He got caught with booze and was confined to the brig for the rest of the underway period.
 
(quoted from post at 07:18:49 06/08/16) I was a Marine. Different boot camp I guess.
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I know some old Marines that have gone back to watch recruits in training and have left wondering what the heck happen and feeling like the young guys today are not really Marines. Worst one is a 66 year old friend, Viet Nam vet, who really hates the idea that Marine boot camp changed at all. His father was a Marine who served in WWII. I don't know what islands he was on except I know he was first wave going onto Iwo Jima.

Rick
 
I never saw anyone get proofed in the E Club . If you were 17 a, member,and you were on base you got served in that club.
 

Navy '75-'79. I went to Okinawa for 18 months starting late '75. There were incidents when I was there but the Captains' Mast usually took care of the idiots. I could not believe how many guys were fooling around with marijuana back then. It was a 7 years prison sentence in a jap prison if they caught the idiot. I could not believe how many took chances on stupid stuff. Me, I played cards with my buds and saved my money. We would go to the gym and play basket ball/ lots of tennis etc. All that rabble rousing off base just did not interest me, too many getting rolled for their money. That was the longest 18 months in my life sitting on a tiny island...lol. Lots of typhoons when I was there :?
 
(quoted from post at 10:12:31 06/08/16) I never saw anyone get proofed in the E Club . If you were 17 a, member,and you were on base you got served in that club.
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They didn't start carding at the on base clubs until the late 80's early 90's when those rules went into effect. By that time the junior NCO club and the EM club had been combined into the NCOEM club. Senior NCO's were allowed/welcomed in the officers club after that. Those changes were largely due to the club playing politics running off soldier who then found places off base to party.

Muleboss: Lot of guys who served in the military joked about it being like doing time. After all, you don't have much say as to where you live plus on time off you are restricted in how far you can go off base. A civilian in NYC can hope on a plane Friday afternoon, fly to CA and return Sunday evening. A service member is generally not supposed to go more than 150 miles off base, 600 on long weekends. Not a job that you can give your 2 week notice either. You have restrictions put on what is some basic freedoms in the very Constitution and Amendments that you swear to protect and defend like your freedom of speech. It is a chargeable offence to say anything derogatory about the president and your officers and NCO's over you. Sure you can say you don't like them. You can say you don't think they do a good job. You cannot say they are a "draft dodging, gay loving, dope smoking, long haired, womanizing, indecisive wimp". Saying you don't like your Sgt is OK, calling him an idiot isn't. You are also committing an offence should you lie in line of duty. So if you lie about to a Sgt or officer when they ask you a question and they can prove it they can charge you. Plus any NCO or officer can order you to shut up, the correct command is "at ease" and it's an enforceable order.

So "I did my time" refers to both that and your time as a young man fulfilling a commitment to our country.

Rick
 
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