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J. Schwiebert · Mar 8, 2016

I sub for the local vo-ag department. Yesterday in Freshman ag one boy asked the boy next to him what time it was. He said I don't know. Now there is a clock in the room , but it has hands on it. Have we come to the part if the clock is not digital they can not tell time! I about fell over!

Steve@Advance · Mar 8, 2016

My 16 yo daughter can barely read one! Has to study it, do the math first!

Mike(NEOhio) · Mar 8, 2016

He couldn't just look on his phone??

BIG RUH · Mar 8, 2016

Tell one to turn it clock wise and you get dumb look

Brendon Warren · Mar 8, 2016

My 20 year old sister got a wrist watch for Christmas. She struggles to read it.

Gambles · Mar 8, 2016

Most kids can't make monetary change, write in cursive, read a clock with hands on it, or operate a rotary telephone.

Dune Country · Mar 8, 2016

My 24 year old daughter complained that she could not turn off the bright headlights in my '76 ford PU."dad I pulled and pushed every lever!!"

Bob Harvey · Mar 8, 2016

ALL the posts scare/worry me.

old popper · Mar 8, 2016

Personally, I don't care for digital clocks. I still like Mickey's big hand on 12 and his little hand on 6 type!

jeffcat · Mar 8, 2016

All of this is true and just scares the crap out of you. And they are going to let these people VOTE!!!

jacksun65 · Mar 8, 2016

18 yr old nephew can't read a clock. doesn't know how to work either but want's to join the army. NOW thats scary
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farmerwithmutt · Mar 8, 2016

Worked with a kid couldn't figure it why he always asked the time and he was always looking at the computer same as yours can't read a dial clock. It's funny they can figure out a smart phone but not a dial phone.
Local a w shut off the change part of the cash register and make their kids do it there head thank god for people that care

Billy Shafer · Mar 8, 2016

They will probably make him an officer. I have 17 years as a fuel chief and running a motor pool. Wouldn't believe the things I have seen.

RayP(MI) · Mar 8, 2016

Was in a classroom recently, writing on modern day replacement for chalkboard. Had a student request that I print as he couldn't read cursive. This was in high school.

Jaden · Mar 8, 2016

Consider this: If no one can read a dial clock, how do you specify the direction of rotation for a shaft, etc.?

Greg1959 · Mar 8, 2016

jaden- Right hand or Left Hand rotation is what I use to describe rotation. It's been a many years since I have used CW or CCW description.

oldtanker · Mar 8, 2016

Guys get over it. It's called progress. Who writes anything anymore? No one, it's all done with a keyboard so why waste time teaching cursive? I spent hours writing cursive in school yet every one of my text books were printed both in K-12 and in college. So just why did I have to learn cursive? Only things I've ever had to read in cursive were personal letters.

The cash register tells them how much change. Faster and more efficient. What's wrong with that? All they have to do is count the correct amount out of the register.

Everything has gone digi. Why waste time teaching dead technology?

Dialing a rotary phone? That's an issue? Really? I haven't seen a rotary phone being used on a regular basis sense 1996. I can't remember the last time I saw one for sale new. Odds are that should they ever have to call 911 on someone else's phone it will be push button or a cell/smart phone.

Heck they don't teach how to drive a team anymore either.

This is kinda like some of the stupid stuff we did in the Army when I was a young soldier. Ask an NCO why we are doing something stupid and the answer was "I did it when I was a PVT and it didn't hurt me none". Did matter how many man hours of time we wasted that could have been used to teach us combat skills.

They taught our parents things we never learned in school. They let the old ways die.

You guys sit here using a computer to post on here. Maybe you'd be happier with a hammer, chisel and a rock? You could leave it in a field for some farmer to find while he's walking behind his mule plowing his fields. And don't forget how to send smoke signals too!

Rick

Greg1959 · Mar 8, 2016

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T in NE · Mar 8, 2016

With common core that would take so long they'd have to re-figure it again!

NCWayne · Mar 9, 2016

The thing you don't address is that many things, such as cursive writing, taught you to take your time, it taught patience, excellence, and taking pride in your writing skills.

In other words many of the things we learned as kids, while not relative to "modern times", actually taught far more than just the one 'skill' and instilled those qualities into the individual, usually for life.

Now days everyone wants, and expects easy. Everyone wants, and expects FAST, things like spell check remove the need to check your work and consciously be exacting in the things we write.

Ultimately nearly all the traits that used to be instilled in folks have been left by the wayside in a quest for the modern, for the future.

It's all pretty sad really..........

I could go on, but I think my point is made.

2x4 · Mar 9, 2016

I saw that start happening in 1992.

Jim PA · Mar 9, 2016

NC Wayne. Very good post. You and I think a lot alike. I don't post here much but it is refreshing to see people that still have thinking skills like yourself. Anyone can read a digital clock but an anolog clock requires a thought process and teaches the young minds to think their way to the answer. Children are developing the way that they use there minds to maneuver though life and need to be challenged. The most successful people in life are the ones that can use critical thinking skills to solve problems and find better ways of doing things. The foundation for those skills starts early.

Mike M · Mar 9, 2016

Get the Goofy version of the clock it runs backwards !

Mike M · Mar 9, 2016

Well with everyone using credit cards and now phone pay you won't need to make change anyhow. And as far as typing at the computer why are we even doing that anymore ? They do have it where you can just dictated what you want it to type. No one will need to know how to fix anything as everything is going to throw away items with no parts available. As far as no cursive writing ? well now how do they expect them to sign for anything ? All sorts of documents and computer screens everyone wants you to sign for everything. I guess just mark with an X like before people could read and write ?

Indiana Ken · Mar 9, 2016

If a Freshman in Ag can not read a clock with hands on it....I would suspect there are no clocks in his home with hands on them. He/she has little/no need for an old fashion clock.

I took Drivers Ed in 1965, that was the first year for using only automatic transmissions in the training cars. Teaching the use of a clutch took up a significant amount of time which could be used for teaching safety/rules of the road etc. I remember the world was going to end since kids would no longer be able to use a clutch.

Do schools still teach "how to write a check", I remember that lesson. I now pay monthly bills on line rather than sending a check.

oldtanker · Mar 9, 2016

(quoted from post at 23:37:13 03/08/16) The thing you don't address is that many things, such as cursive writing, taught you to take your time, it taught patience, excellence, and taking pride in your writing skills.

In other words many of the things we learned as kids, while not relative to "modern times", actually taught far more than just the one 'skill' and instilled those qualities into the individual, usually for life.

Now days everyone wants, and expects easy. Everyone wants, and expects FAST, things like spell check remove the need to check your work and consciously be exacting in the things we write.

Ultimately nearly all the traits that used to be instilled in folks have been left by the wayside in a quest for the modern, for the future.

It's all pretty sad really..........

I could go on, but I think my point is made.

Yep gotta agree, pretty sad they taught me a dead method of communication that in turn taught me to accept lower standards and to hate. A method that no one uses any longer.

The school wasn't there to teach me life skills like patience or responsibility. That was my parents job and I think they did a pretty good job. They also taught me to accept the consequences of my actions. The school was there to educate me. When they wasted time and money teaching me a communication system seldom used in anything other that personal communications they were wrong. And just why did they teach it? Cause they had to learn it and it "didn't hurt them none".

I completely miss your point. Other than letters home while I was a young soldier I have never used cursive. And once I got enough rank on my collar that I could afford it I used the phone instead of writing. Today I email. I often through the years wondered about that. Why I had to learn cursive when it specified on various forms that had to be filled out to include job applications "PRINT". Reports and statements in the military were done at first on a typewriter and later on a computer. Nothing official was done in cursive. Legal documents like loan contracts were printed too. Every book I've read was printed too. Text books, operators and repair manuals, TM's and FM's in the Army too. Even the Bible was printed.

So just was the point? I remember a teacher telling me that it was so that I would develop the motor skills necessary to be a surgeon if I wanted to be one. Well that wasn't in my life goals then or now.

Cursive taught me to hate. I hated having to do it. I hated my sister for her fantastic handwriting that earned her praise while I was punished. I hated my teachers for making me do it. I learned to hate school because of it. I hated myself because I lacked artistic talent and the motor skills at 7 or 8 to write neatly. Heck when I enrolled in college all the forms had to be printed and my professors never would have accepted an assignment that wasn't double spaced and typed. So just why was I forced to learn cursive?

Rick

oldtanker · Mar 9, 2016

I should also add that I take an interest in my grand daughters education as I do some grandpa's daycare for 2 8 year old girls. Believe it or not they have come up with other things that teach critical thinking. They are also taught to think outside the box, something learning how to read a clock never did teach.

Some of you guys should go and look at what they are teaching and at what age. Heck we didn't get homework until 3rd grade. My grand daughters have been bringing home homework sense kindergarten.

Rick

Alan K · Mar 9, 2016

I do see your point. Part of the problem is relying on that progress, and putting faith in
electronics. If and when that part ends if something happens in the world or has a lapse
then what? No one knows how to do anything. And its not just about knowing how to do it. If
you are at a cash register in a store and the electric goes off the store stops and you cant
buy anything. If money transactions are done with computers and they stop then what? You
cant pay bills or access your money. We have surpassed ourselves with too much technology
and I dont think it is going to get better in the future....

oldtanker · Mar 9, 2016

(quoted from post at 08:01:33 03/09/16) I do see your point. Part of the problem is relying on that progress, and putting faith in
electronics. If and when that part ends if something happens in the world or has a lapse
then what? No one knows how to do anything. And its not just about knowing how to do it. If
you are at a cash register in a store and the electric goes off the store stops and you cant
buy anything. If money transactions are done with computers and they stop then what? You
cant pay bills or access your money. We have surpassed ourselves with too much technology
and I dont think it is going to get better in the future....

Alan, no it isn't going to get any better. But at one time they said they same thing then they started using a styli and a sheet of copper! What happens when we use all the copper? No one will know how to write on a rock. What happens when we run out of goat skin was next. Then it was paper then "we'll need to know this when the telephone fails". They figure that we lost 500 years of technology when invention and learning was repressed in the dark ages. Back when cursive was first invented there is some evidence that it was so that people could distinguish something written by a scholar or person of nobility from what may have been written by a "lessor" person.

They still teach kids today how to print. Should the electricity go out they can still write. It's a non issue.

Rick

electro · Mar 9, 2016

Thank you Oldtanker!

Too many Curmudgeons in the world!

I have not used cursive since 5th grade and still managed to get the fine motor skills to do surgery through a microscope. I do not have any clocks with hands other than a grandfather's clock. No phones with a rotary dial, the only vehicle with a foot dimmer is a 1952 dodge truck, and so on and so on. I would truly have to think to go through the times tables up to 12X12. I still do calculus for fun but have no real need for times tables now that calculators are around. I doubt I would know how to run a team of horses or mules for plowing, no idea how to make a candle from tallow, no idea how to mine a coal seam on my knees, spin wool into yarn, cut someone's hair so it was presentable, how to shave with a straight razor, I can make soap from fat and lye but have no idea how to make soap from wood ashes and fat, etc... which are all things my grandparents could do.

Things change and the skills needed for life change. That does not make younger folks dumb, stupid, lazy, or a combination of the above.

oldtanker · Mar 9, 2016

(quoted from post at 08:46:36 03/09/16) Thank you Oldtanker!

Too many Curmudgeons in the world!

I have not used cursive since 5th grade and still managed to get the fine motor skills to do surgery through a microscope. I do not have any clocks with hands other than a grandfather's clock. No phones with a rotary dial, the only vehicle with a foot dimmer is a 1952 dodge truck, and so on and so on. I would truly have to think to go through the times tables up to 12X12. I still do calculus for fun but have no real need for times tables now that calculators are around. I doubt I would know how to run a team of horses or mules for plowing, no idea how to make a candle from tallow, no idea how to mine a coal seam on my knees, spin wool into yarn, cut someone's hair so it was presentable, how to shave with a straight razor, I can make soap from fat and lye but have no idea how to make soap from wood ashes and fat, etc... which are all things my grandparents could do.

Things change and the skills needed for life change. That does not make younger folks dumb, stupid, lazy, or a combination of the above.

:shock: If you do calculus for fun you need a hobby, like old tractors! :lol:

Rick

greenlovinsynnie · Mar 9, 2016

I can safely say as a student that I haven't used cursive since the third grade other than to sign my name. Reading a clock however.... well my funny brain helps me out with that. Learned how to make change working the stand with an organization I'm with, it's literally easy as one, two, three haha

Ozlander · Mar 9, 2016

(quoted from post at 11:12:12 03/09/16)

(quoted from post at 08:46:36 03/09/16) Thank you Oldtanker!

Too many Curmudgeons in the world!

I have not used cursive since 5th grade and still managed to get the fine motor skills to do surgery through a microscope. I do not have any clocks with hands other than a grandfather's clock. No phones with a rotary dial, the only vehicle with a foot dimmer is a 1952 dodge truck, and so on and so on. I would truly have to think to go through the times tables up to 12X12. I still do calculus for fun but have no real need for times tables now that calculators are around. I doubt I would know how to run a team of horses or mules for plowing, no idea how to make a candle from tallow, no idea how to mine a coal seam on my knees, spin wool into yarn, cut someone's hair so it was presentable, how to shave with a straight razor, I can make soap from fat and lye but have no idea how to make soap from wood ashes and fat, etc... which are all things my grandparents could do.

Things change and the skills needed for life change. That does not make younger folks dumb, stupid, lazy, or a combination of the above.

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:shock: If you do calculus for fun you need a hobby, like old tractors! :lol:

Rick

I don't think I've used calculus since the last calculus test in collage 50 years ago.

K Effective · Mar 9, 2016

I'm amazed by my kids' calculators today- graphing units that can link up wirelessly with the teacher's calculator.

One thing I am glad for is the fairly heavy Bible verse memorization I did, as did my Wife and our kids. I think it helped me hone my memorization skills, something that helps in studying any subject, doing nearly any job, and may even come in handy when the contact list on my phone dies and I have to actually remember someone's phone number!

Greg1959 · Mar 9, 2016

K Effective- When I see a series of numbers, I don't memorize the sequence, but I see a pattern.
The pattern is based on the arrangement of the keys on a calculator. That 'pattern' is how I
recall the numbers.

Just my little tidbit of useless information.

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