Is this legal

young1 · Mar 3, 2016

I followed this truck today and then went around the block after he stopped to get a picture. The one ton truck is towing the trailer with the John Deere on it. The stump grinder is NOT hooked to the trailer but to the tractor! There were no lights connected to the stump grinder and you could hardly see the lights on the trailer because of it.

whrowley · Mar 3, 2016

No!

roy prins · Mar 3, 2016

absolutely not -- some would say it is till ya get caught --Just as soon be ahead of it on the road

rrc300 u · Mar 3, 2016

I say not a snoballs chance in an oven. John in LA has alot of dot regs but I don't think that one will fit any double trailer definitions lol.

David G · Mar 3, 2016

No, and I wonder if they even tied the JD down, I do not see any.

old · Mar 3, 2016

A lot depends on the state. Here in Missouri it is common to have a truck pulling a camper and in turn the camper has a boat trailer and boat behind. My CDL has me to pull doubles and triples. So yes it maybe if it is legal iin the state your in

Hobo,NC · Mar 3, 2016

How do you get a doctor to sign off you are 100% disable and another to sign off you are health enough to get a CDL certification. :?:

shaun wallace · Mar 3, 2016

When working for custom baler we moved 4020 and swather 16ft cut, square baler and rake behind pickup with trailer. Had choice of 1/2 or 3/4 ton on propane to tow with.

old · Mar 3, 2016

IF YOUR TALKING about me I am disabled but no can not drive for a living but I can still keep a CDL does not take a doctor or physical to have one. I can not drive for a live but can still have the CDL I earned it I'll keep it

Hobo,NC · Mar 3, 2016

I only know what others I know that have them if they have a health issue they have to clear up ther health issue to get cleared to drive... Explain how its earned and it can not be taken away from you... :?:

oldtanker · Mar 3, 2016

(quoted from post at 19:21:59 03/03/16) A lot depends on the state. Here in Missouri it is common to have a truck pulling a camper and in turn the camper has a boat trailer and boat behind. My CDL has me to pull doubles and triples. So yes it maybe if it is legal iin the state your in

Old he stated " The stump grinder is [b:79968e3777]NOT hooked to the trailer but to the tractor![/b:79968e3777]. So no, it's not legal. Doesn't matter what anyone did or got away with if a cop stops him and calls in DOT it's going to get expensive very quick.

Rick

hd6gtom · Mar 3, 2016

Total idiot especially on snowey roads.

NEKS · Mar 3, 2016

That don't look like farm equipment, but a DOT officer told me that if its farming equipment on a trailer it does not have to be tied down. If it does fall off then I get involved and its not going to be pretty.

old · Mar 3, 2016

Very simple. I can still drive I just can not apst the lift test as in I can no lift what DOT says I have to but I can still keep it and can still drive on a limited number of miles if I so want to. As for earn yes I have had one in a form since I was 16 and was a hired driver and I will not let it go till they take all my driving privileged from me. I at this time have just under 2 million miles on my driving record so yes I have earned the right

old · Mar 3, 2016

In that picture you can not be 100% sure how it is hooked up. If the last thing is hooked to the trailer it could be legal but yes if hooked the the tractor no.
Oh by the way I stated nothing other then what law is here in Missouri and unless you can see what I can not hard to know for sure

4play · Mar 3, 2016

(quoted from post at 21:53:52 03/03/16)
I only know what others I know that have them if they have a health issue they have to clear up ther health issue to get cleared to drive... Explain how its earned and it can not be taken away from you... :?:

What's the deal? A CDL is earned just like any other license, nobody said it couldn't be taken away. There is also a big difference in being disabled and a health screening. There are tons of disabled people with CDL's, there are also different classes of the CDL and restrictions too. You might want to read up on this topic on your own before making assumptions.

Leroy · Mar 4, 2016

Sounds like somebody does not know what they are talking about.

vscummins · Mar 4, 2016

Rent a dot officer on duty again I see

D beatty · Mar 4, 2016

How do you get a CDL and not take a DOT physical? I have drove truck for 48 years and 38 years of it for a commercial carrier and never taken a lift test and took a physical every 2 years. I am now a diabetic and am controlled with diet and pills and take Dot physical every year. If I become a full blown diabetic on insulin I loose the CDL part of drivers license and it turns into a regular drivers license.

john in la · Mar 4, 2016

"How do you get a CDL and not take a DOT physical?"

He drives under excepted intrastate rules.

D beatty · Mar 4, 2016

That doesn't work if you live at a state line and cross over into another state.

john in la · Mar 4, 2016

If you do any of these you can claim excepted interstate commerce and do not need to submit a federal medical examiner's certificate.

?Transporting school children and/or school staff between home and school;
?Driving as a federal, state or local government employee;
? Transporting human corpses, or sick or injured persons;
?Operating a fire truck or rescue vehicle during emergencies and other related activities;
?Primarily transporting propane winter heating fuel when responding to an emergency condition requiring immediate response such as damage to a propane gas system after a storm or flooding;
?Responding to a pipeline emergency condition requiring immediate response such as a pipeline leak or rupture;
?Working in custom harvesting on a farm or to transport farm machinery and supplies used in the custom harvesting operation to and from a farm or to transport custom harvested crops to storage or market;
?Working as a beekeeper in the seasonal transportation of bees;
?Operating a vehicle controlled and operated by a farmer, but not a combination vehicle (power unit and towed unit), that is used to transport agricultural products, farm machinery or farm supplies, but not placardable hazardous materials, to and from a farm and within 150 air miles of the farm;
?Driving as a private motor carrier of passengers for nonbusiness purposes; or
?Transporting migrant workers.

dzc3 · Mar 4, 2016

Old I am with you have had a CDL (called chauffer's License) since I was 18. I will not give mine up either. Don't use it to make a living but could if needed. That license was a life saver in tough times

John B. · Mar 4, 2016

In Illinois you can not hold a CDL without a physical examination card. I know!! My examiners card expired in January and I decided to give up my CDL. I don't need it any more.
It was "Mail in My Drivers License to the State" or drop the CDL from my license once the Medical Examiners Card Expired. It was hard to decide whether to give it up or not, but all I have to do is re-take the tests. It's not like it's gone for ever and you can't get it back.

showcrop · Mar 4, 2016

(quoted from post at 21:47:14 03/03/16) In that picture you can not be 100% sure how it is hooked up. If the last thing is hooked to the trailer it could be legal but yes if hooked the the tractor no.
Oh by the way I stated nothing other then what law is here in Missouri and unless you can see what I can not hard to know for sure

In this discussion we need to go by what Young1 told us, as he was there, that the grinder is NOT hooked to the trailer.

jimg.allentown · Mar 4, 2016

I am wondering a few things.....
How did this become a discussion on who can have a CDL and what the regulations are for maintaining that CDL and/or the privileges that go with it???
Does ANYBODY ever read that book that the carriers hand out every year with the rules in it???
When I was driving for a commercial carrier, I was given a rule book every year with the current regulations in it. Not exactly recreational reading, but does state the rules in very specific terms. I have seen and heard so many rules misquoted over the years by supposedly experienced drivers.
Regarding the legality of that picture, I can only say this:
Because I cannot see how it is hooked up, I cannot say that there is a violation.
If the tractor is not secured to the trailer, it would be a violation.
Where the grinder is attached may not be a violation. Definitely unusual.

showcrop · Mar 4, 2016

(quoted from post at 07:06:51 03/04/16) I am wondering a few things.....
How did this become a discussion on who can have a CDL and what the regulations are for maintaining that CDL and/or the privileges that go with it???
Does ANYBODY ever read that book that the carriers hand out every year with the rules in it???
When I was driving for a commercial carrier, I was given a rule book every year with the current regulations in it. Not exactly recreational reading, but does state the rules in very specific terms. I have seen and heard so many rules misquoted over the years by supposedly experienced drivers.
Regarding the legality of that picture, I can only say this:
Because I cannot see how it is hooked up, I cannot say that there is a violation.
If the tractor is not secured to the trailer, it would be a violation.
Where the grinder is attached may not be a violation. Definitely unusual.

Jimg, this is a forum, which is a meeting for discussion of interesting questions. Observation of laws from a law book will support only one view, which will make support of any view other than the law appear to be somewhat unintelligent, severely limiting the numbers of participants. Thus forums and law books appear to be mutually exclusive.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 4, 2016

State Troopers in my area say hooking two trailers like that in tandem is illegal
period.Lots of time the 'the book' says one thing the DOT man says another.Guess which one will give you a ticket(or not)? I have a farm trailer rig for hauling hay with a 16ft trailer in front and a 12ft trailer hooked behind it, I get by with it hooked to a farm tractor.

Nathan (SD) · Mar 4, 2016

I bet there is a hitch on the back of the trailer for the grinder. Not enough clearance for turning between the ramps. Once the tractor is loaded, they will slide the grinder hitch down the slope of the trailer on to the rear hitch.

old · Mar 4, 2016

I have had this CDL ever since they came out and before that I had what was needed to drive truck etc. I've had it since I was 16 due to the fact my job had me having to drive. Here a couple years ago I had to go in to get the physical part waved I.E. I do not drive over the road any more but can and could still drive if the need or job was there but not be able to lift much of any thing. So I still have a CDL but I do not use it as such and as long as I can keep it I will. Only thing I can not drive as in what is on my License if Haz-Mat and school bus. All other things I have

old · Mar 4, 2016

Yes I am now exempt from having to do the physical since I no longer drive truck for a living but can keep the CDL. I have had a CDL since day one of them coming out and had what would be the same since I was 16

old · Mar 4, 2016

It does as long as your not driving truck as in for hire. I.E. I am exempt of the physical any more so I can keep the CDL even though I do not drive for a living any more. So I can in turn drive a truck for a friend etc once in a while as maybe needed I just stay in state

old · Mar 4, 2016

Missouri is different I had to go in and have the physical waved but I was able to keep my CDL and only 2 thing I do not have on it is school bus and Haz-Mat

oldtanker · Mar 4, 2016

Back to the original topic. If as the OP states it was being towed with the grinder attached to the tractor and not the trailer it would be illegal. About the only law enforcement that [b:e904305da0]maybe [/b:e904305da0]wouldn't write you a ticket would be a Carp Cop (game warden).

Rick

D beatty · Mar 4, 2016

That's why I keep my interstate CDL so I can drive for anybody that needs a driver and can go anywhere if needed.

old · Mar 4, 2016

Well with not being able to past the physical due to the lifting limit I have I can only do the in state stuff which is ok since I am not suppose to drive a lot any how due to the bad back I have

D beatty · Mar 4, 2016

I know about what your going through with back problems. I have had a bad back since 1976 and have had 2 back operations which both failed after 6 years and went through 4 different sets of injections. If I have any more trouble it mean back fusion. I still lift but have learned my limits.

Paul from MI · Mar 4, 2016

Here in Michigan you can tow a trailer behind a fifth wheel trailer with a proper hitch, NOT BEHIND A BUMPER PULL TRAILER. This outfit is not legal I can't see where anything is tied down, looks like an accident and a big lawsuit waiting to happen. But I see this kind of stuff every day, and someone usually gets hurt.

jimg.allentown · Mar 4, 2016

Well, the DOT man may give you the ticket, but that does not mean that he is correct in doing so. The book is the final authority, and any ticket that does not comply with the book can be beat in court. Of course, there is that old catch-22. It may cost more to fight it than to pay it. But, then there is the principal thing. If you fight it and beat it, the DOT man might quit writing tickets that are not legal.
Over the years, I had a few encounters with less than hospitable DOT cops. One of the reasons that I stopped running over the road was Ohio. I simply REFUSED to cross an Ohio scale. And, I knew the ways around them. Got tired of the game, and walked into the office one day and told the boss that I was done running the road. I told him that I would either be home every night or I would find another way to make a living. So, for the next 9 years, I was home every night and didn't touch a log book for those 9 years. Finally got my fill and gave it up. Too many days of running to and through New York City.

old · Mar 4, 2016

I have a 5.5 inch scare on/in my back due to surgery and have the L-5-S-1 area bad. My doctor found out I was driving and said no more so was force to retire. Was told every mile I diver is one mile closer to a wheel chair. Have a 35 lbs limit which is to low to pass the DOT physical

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