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steve terplak

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I know this has come up before, but couldn't find a thread to follow

My father in law works for a local municipality, they are looking for a new Compact Tractor to replace their current one.

Local dealer support includes: JD, Case/IH, Kioti, Kubota, Mahindras and New Holland.

Looking in the 25-30 hp range with a Front End Loader.

Tractor would be used for mowing/maintenance, snow blowing sidewalks, and a little bit of loader work, scraping and cleaning.

So far, went to the JD dealer and Kubota dealer, Kubota dealer was @ 27K, JD @34K, felt the Kubota looked a little more durable than the JD.

I tried to convince him a 40 year old MF would be the way to go, but he thinks the town would frown on that...lol. So I am useless for advice in
this department...

What are people's experiences and opinions with these brands in this size range...

Thanks in advance.
 
Steve I am bias in that I have made my living for 28 years selling KUNOYA but I tell you this they are one of the industry leaders , can,t go wrong if you have a good dealer.
 
If this is going to be a municiple bid deal HRT and RI and SSG may still have some room to play. If you are talking about bids that have been spected and have that have been submitted Those prices refect the bid discounts that they were offered from their mother companys.
I did a lot of bid pricing when I was at RI, on both C-IH and Kubota.
Your sugestion about a used tractor is out in left field among the bull thistles.
Loren
 
I'd give jm a listen- if he can make a living for 28 years selling a tractor that no one has ever heard of, that boy's at the top of his game.
 
I know...I was joking...he asking my opinion and I know nothing about modern compacts...my knowledge stops at old Masseys. That is why I asked here.

It is in the village of broadalbin...mayor is pretty good to his guys and encouraged my FIL to shop around for the /best tractor for their money. Looking at H&M in Amsterdam, former KC Canary (now Hudson River) etc... In the area.
 
We've had a New Holland 29hp tractor for about 12 yrs. it now has close to 1800 hours. Haven't had any problems with it. 4 WD with a loader. If I had to buy one now I would buy a New Holland.
 
(quoted from post at 16:37:55 02/24/16) Steve I am bias in that I have made my living for 28 years selling KUNOYA but I tell you this they are one of the industry leaders , can,t go wrong if you have a good dealer.
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I assume you missed the B and T and hit the adjacent letters instead.
 
Steve make sure your Father is getting JD BEST price for a town. It will be way cheaper than what you or he can buy it for. Almost every state has a state purchasing agreement with JD. The price is a percentage of list and the dealer gets paid by JD. So he needs to make sure he is dealing with a salesman that has done governmental bids with JD. If not there are literally thousands of dollars of discount he is missing.

The retail governmental bid price was WAY below what the dealer could buy the equipment for.
 
Also, Loren, I have never really commented on your other posts, but your sugarbush stuff is really interesting and informative to read and your firewood equipment builds are pretty impressive. Kudos.
 
If you like the NH or CaseIH go look at the LS cause that's who builds 'em.The new Deeres aren't the best deal either.Sons FIL got one last fall.We have a 1530 NH that's 15 years old.Still a good tractor,but it's a Shibiara .Neighbor has a Mihindra. Hydraulic issues since new.

One of the biggest dealers in the Mid West told me any thing orange is the way to go. Good Luck.
 
Being in Broadalbin I would think they would gravitate to the Murphy's. I knew the family well.
Not sure about those Kyotie's they sell though.
Loren
 
Murphys are good people, that was who my grandfather bought all of our equipment from in the late 60's and 79's, I am socially friendly with one of the grandsons, Rodney...nice guy, seems to like planes more than tractors.
I don't know much about the Kiotis, other father in law has one he bought used, older, seems like a sturdy unit but he had been dealing with nickel and dime type issues which are starting to add up to dollars...told him to o with a 40 year old Massey...lol
 
You think after that long I would learn to spell the dang name.. LOL Been laid up for a month for some medical issues and just did not read what I typed.. Anyway you know what I mean, I always hate to get in on these what brand is best arguments.
 
We have a jd and a Kubota. Both are great. But both have cheaper models. Less hyd flow. TCheaper stearing etc. Just like comparing pickups. There is a state bbid price. But sometimes not the features you need. Can't beat the price. Also you don't have to ask for bids.
 
just beware of smooth talking salesman, coworker was hung between green and orange, the orange salesman sure made it sound good to him,he was looking to buy something RATED around 30 hp and asked what it was capable of, and the man told him he bought a used 30 hp several years ago and had been maintaining 3 miles of rd and keeping 30 acres bushogged with it no problem,also said he himself sold 380 units last year being one of five salesman, I noticed the salesman had his attention so when we left I ask the coworker did he catch on to all that smoke blowing,he gave me kind of a blank look he knows very little about tractors
 
Steve, I bought my ford 1720 I guess a compact from H&M, 2 Ztr mowers and my brother bought his skidsteer there, there good guys but hard to deal with, on prices, and there parts department is not the best, I now deal with Jack Millers for ford and Newholland. Millers prices for equipment are better that Murpheys
 
(quoted from post at 18:45:30 02/24/16) Being in Broadalbin I would think they would gravitate to the Murphy's. I knew the family well.
Not sure about those Kyotie's they sell though.
Loren
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I looked at Massey, JD, Kubota (new and used) and Mahindra. I settled on a Kioti CK20HST FWA (22hp 3-cylinder diesel) because it was a lot cheaper than JD, Massey and Kubota and it outweighed the rest. In comparing axle size for example, it reminded me of the older, used Kubotas that I looked at - heavy-built and proven design and materials (steel hood, fenders, etc.). I had a chance to snag a bigger CK35 (35hp 3-cylinder diesel) tractor for only $1k more but they are a foot wider and I already had enough tractors that were too big for some of the places that I needed to access. SO, I opted for the CK20 w/front loader and backhoe. After owning and using it for 7 years I am well-pleased with the little 'power-brute' - I have lurked on numerous Kioti forums and have noticed that the Kioti model with the least problems/complaints is the CK20. Most comments echo my experience; 'A real workhorse', a great little tractor' etc. Remember, the hydrostatic drive greatly increases the agility and usable power and traction of the tractor. It may not suit your needs but you should consider the Kioti brand. Personally, I wanted to support one of the only Pacific-rim countries that is and has been a steadfast American ally: South Korea, NOT Japan! :evil: BUT.......that's just me.
 
Remember, the hydrostatic drive greatly increases
the agility and usable power and traction of the
tractor. I don't know if I agree with that over gear
drive?
 
(quoted from post at 21:50:07 02/24/16) Remember, the hydrostatic drive greatly increases
the agility and usable power and traction of the
tractor. I don't know if I agree with that over gear
drive?
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I've got both and will take the hydro for 'utility tractor' work every time BUT it's 'what suits ya', I reckon. 8)
 
I was just funnin' ya, jm- I looked at my keyboard, and you were just off a little to the left, with your left hand-
 
Listen to the fellows that mentioned government pricing. Many companies are doing it. Check into that if you have not.
 
For us, we are equal distance between H&M and Jack Millers...we go to Millers every time (for hay equip stuff)...
It seems as though H&M wants nothing to do with the Ag market...rarely have any parts, beyond the most basic, in stock nor do the seem to sell any Ag-related NH stuff...
It is nuts to me...
Millers, on the other hand, always seems to have whatever we need, plus a decent little section of parts machines to steal from when necessary

Hope things are good up your way Jay...

Maybe we will catch you at MAcfaddens in March...bring your little one...brought my guy to the fall auction, he had a blast...sat on every piece of equipment with my dad...bought him a little Massey garden tractor to fix up...gonna bring him in March...
 
JayinNY.
A hydrostatic drive is essential when loading dirt with a front loader. If you had a clutch and gears, you would ram the dirt pile, hydrostatic you can apply forward motion while lifting bucket.
 
I looked at all of them and drove each of them. What I found was Deere was the cheapest between NH , Kubota an Massy. But what I also found was the plastic used in the newer tractors was half the thickness than that used several years ago. I weigh 200 lbs and when I step on the step to get on one I don't want to see anything bow down. When I priced NH after he told me the price and I got up off the floor I told him I did not expect them to pay for their new building on one sale. I went with Kubota as it is all steel and many of the features o it were not on the other brands. Massey makes a great tractor and I would have bought one but in my area there is one dealer and he is 50 miles away. To get part I have to go thru an AGCO dealer which is one of the reasons I had trading my old one off. I bought the shuttle shift trans andas it works better for my use. As far as ramming into a pile of dirt this is not true. Loader tractors have been around a long before the hydo it all what you are use to
 
Kubota but not the completely stripped cheapest model with inching valve on 3 point hitch.

Most trouble free tractor I've ever been around.
 
Probably end up with Kubota.

JD is also good, likely gonna be more $$$.

Case and New Holland used to be good, but they have started jumping ship switching manufacturers from time to time. I don't like that it makes parts obsolete real fast, kinda breaks the dependability of the brand. I think they have good machines, I just wonder what they will be selling 5 years from now and if I can get parts again.....

I have no idea what Agco offers these days, love their combines but they sold off and closed their tractor and hay dealerships around here decades ago, don't see those compacts around here at all wouldn't know who services them. Two of my combine dealers sell blue tractors, and the third doesn't sell many tractors at all just combines and short line stuff.....

The rest you mentioned are cheaper, might not fit the govt standards..... Good enough machines, but less than the top few mentioned.

Paul
 
there is a website out there that lets you compare them side by side.

A few are made by the same company and that website tells you that. Can't recall the name and don't have time to look.

google "compact tractor comparison"
 
Our Village has also been looking at tractors looking hard as Kubota and IH Farmalls and Pumas models seem built pretty good jd have found way over priced and just as foreign made as any.
 
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