Electric back in service!!!

JD Seller

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Well we found the trouble. Some animal most likely a gopher decided to burrow under the concrete cattle yard. At about 100 feet from any edge they decided to chew through the 4 inch PCV conduit. Well they did pretty good until they chewed the insulation off one hot leg and the ground wire. Hot cooked animal!!!! We got the old wire pulled out pretty easy and then we found the shorted area. there was not much water if any in the conduit. A local electrical fellow had a camera that had a long enough lead to pull through the conduit. We could see the hole in the side of the conduit about 400 feet from one end.

So now what???? we could have jack hammered the concrete out and repaired the conduit. This would have fixed the current issue but we might have another animal decide to try it out again. We rerouted the electric run. We used about 200 feet on one end of the old conduit where it goes under the drive ways and about 100 feet on the other end where it goes to the silos. The balance of the conduit is now above ground. We tucked it under the edge of the feed bunks and ran the length of the cattle yards that way. We put splice boxes at each end and on in the middle. Doing it this way allowed us to recover the majority of the current wire. Plus the system now will be easier to repair in the future.

One thing I forgot to mention is this is a TOTAL of 400 amps. It is two 200 amp services in tandem. So there is six wires in the conduit. It is tight.

The additional 750 feet of wire cost more than the entire wire cost eight years ago. I like how we have not had any inflation.
 
Good deal! You found it!

You must have some saber tooth critters up there! I haven't seen any evidence of chewed PVC down here. Always gotta be something!
 
Glad to hear that you are back in business! I was worried when you didn't report back last night. We were all pulling for you.

Larry
 
Sounds like one committed critter!

Glad you were able to fix the problem, and probably improve the system as well. Hard to believe that would have been the weak link.
 
doubling up the wires does not double the capacity. One conductor if it is just a little bit lower in resistance will hog the current.
 
Your wire cost doesn't surprise me. After all, aren't all scrap prices at record highs right now? :roll. Good job getting it fixed up


Ross
 
Doubling the wires is a common practice, fully acceptable. When you get into larger, high amperage applications, it becomes necessary as the larger the wire, the more difficult it becomes to work with.
 
GOOD FOR YOU!! I posted this a while ago so I'll put it in again. Down town Philladelpia There was a pizza shop in the concourse of the train station. In the back room when I was working on some of their equipment there is this huge like 5or6 inch diameter metal shield like the old BX cable. I asked them what in the world kind of power did they have coming into the store. "Oh no that isn't power it is for the soda fountain lines." Huu what?? Yea the rats chew through the lines for the syrup so you need the metal shield. All of the syrup boxes were in a steel cabinet so they couldn't get to it.
 

But, did you lick it, to test it? Every good electrician knows you got to lick a new circuit to test it.

So... did you lick it?


Oh c'mon now! You better get back out there and lick it and see if you got anything coming through the line.

You are NO FUN.

Give that bad boy a good ice cream cone tongue slugger and then you let me know if you are sure you got this one li... err solved.
 
I'd be curious on what kind of gopher can chew thru 4 inch pvc conduit. Thats some tough stuff, especially getting the initial hole started.
 
JDseller,

I am short of electrical wisdom, but if there are six wires, what do they all do? I am short of the full knowledge to figure out why 6.

Glad you got it fixed.

D.
 
(quoted from post at 08:16:55 02/12/16) JDseller,

I am short of electrical wisdom, but if there are six wires, what do they all do? I am short of the full knowledge to figure out why 6?

He said two separate 200Amp circuits: 120V+120V+Neutral times two=six conductors.
 
(quoted from post at 12:03:02 02/12/16)
(quoted from post at 08:16:55 02/12/16) JDseller,

I am short of electrical wisdom, but if there are six wires, what do they all do? I am short of the full knowledge to figure out why 6?

He said two separate 200Amp circuits: 120V+120V+Neutral times two=six conductors.
f close to NEC, then more likely no 120v loads and two hot lines plus ground (no neutral).
 
Once you get to bigger sizes the code allows you to run conductors in parallel to increase ampacity. Not allowed for smaller sizes.
 
It is two 200 amp services in tandem. So there is six wires in the conduit.

This is what I was basing my thought on, I guess we'll have to hear from the JDSeller to answer the question once and for all.
 
K effective,

Where's the grounding wire? If I read right, he's got PVC conduit and it's after the service? Or perhaps it's the service entrance conductors.

D>
 

Kinda curious here . How much electrical equipment is being operated simultaneously to require two services at 200 amps each?
 
MN Scott I am not sure what animal did the chewing. There was not much left after it got between the hot wire and ground. I am assuming a gopher but it could have been a rat too. It had to burrow over 100 feet to get to where the hole is at.
 
BD the silos use a 10 HP and 5 HP motor at the same time. The grain leg is the HUGH amperage draw. There are two 10 HP motors on it. Plus you have auger or draw conveyor motors going. We can not run the grain leg and silos at the same time. There is not enough service to do that.
 
There are four 110 volt lines, two neutrals and no ground lines in the conduit. The panels at each end have separate ground rods for the ground circuit.
 
600 Amps to the farm power distribution panel/service. Then 200 amps to the house on a separate service.
 

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