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john in la

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What part of in La do you not understand
Should police get preferential treatment?
I say YES.
Here is the story.

About 6am this morning a local police officer working with the DEA was shot 5 times while doing a drug bust.
They rushed the officer to the closest hospital.
About 7am after stabilizing him the police did a rolling closure of the interstate as they rushed him to the level 1 trauma center across town.
As of tonight the officer is alive but in critical condition.

Now you should have heard the people calling the local talk radio station complaining.
The police would not close the road if I was going to the hospital.
These police are going to make me late for work.
And on and on..........

While I will agree it was a inconvenience.
But how can people be that cold hearted they would complain about being held up for 10 minutes while they rush a police officer shot in the line of duty to the hospital.
Still shaking my head is disbelief.
 
(quoted from post at 19:38:48 01/26/16) Should police get preferential treatment?
I say YES.
Here is the story.

About 6am this morning a local police officer working with the DEA was shot 5 times while doing a drug bust.
They rushed the officer to the closest hospital.
About 7am after stabilizing him the police did a rolling closure of the interstate as they rushed him to the level 1 trauma center across town.
As of tonight the officer is alive but in critical condition.

Now you should have heard the people calling the local talk radio station complaining.
The police would not close the road if I was going to the hospital.
These police are going to make me late for work.
And on and on..........

While I will agree it was a inconvenience.
But how can people be that cold hearted they would complain about being held up for 10 minutes while they rush a police officer shot in the line of duty to the hospital.
Still shaking my head is disbelief.
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Get out your calculator and figure out just how much time you will save driving 5 MPH over the limit for say 10 miles. Then listen to a person complain when they are inconvenienced by getting a ticket. Heck yes they will whine and cry about the cops blocking the road for one of their own. Hope they got the shooter.

Rick
 
Perfect example of the misplaced priorities of a lot of our population. Notice I didn't say citizens--there is a difference.
 
That man was shot trying to protect and make a safer louisiana. I would hope that people could understand and drive in the ditch to get out of the way!
 
what gets me are the jerks that passes you like a bat when you are driving at the speed limit or a couple over.
then when you get to the first stop light or stop sign you are right behind them. what did they gain?
the next is when waiting for traffic to clear the intersection the jerk behind you is blasting on his horn. he passes you at first chance and anyone else in sight then turns at next corner all the while has small children with them. what are they teaching the kid daddy is a jerk so it's okay for you to be one too?
 
Our king is in the middle of writing another executive order allowing perps the right to vote. Do you honestly think he would be doing this if this trash would be voting nnalert?
 
Sure they deserve it. It's a thankless job and if they get hurt they should get care ASAP even if the normal everyday Joe has to be a few minutes late for work. As for the shooter? Take the slow lane and hope he checks out on the way and saves us all a bunch of money in housing and trial costs.

Greg
 
Earlier this evening, my wife was driving down a state highway and saw the flashing lights of an ambulance approaching. So-she slowed down and began to pull over onto the shoulder.

Some dork in a pickup went flying past her and almost ran the ambulance off the road.
 
I think the law enforcement personnel in our country need all the support we can give them. They put their life on the line for us everyday. I know there are some knuckleheads out there, but the majority of those officers are decent folks.

It is horrible how the attitude of a lot of people have changed to the policemen. A lot of that is due to the Administration in Washington DC.

If I were in law enforcement I would be looking for a new job tomorrow.
 
(quoted from post at 04:56:38 01/27/16) I think the law enforcement personnel in our country need all the support we can give them. They put their life on the line for us everyday. I know there are some knuckleheads out there, but the majority of those officers are decent folks.

It is horrible how the attitude of a lot of people have changed to the policemen. A lot of that is due to the Administration in Washington DC.

If I were in law enforcement I would be looking for a new job tomorrow.
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atch it, now! David G will be accusing you of being a troll. :(
 
I would take the officer to the hospital anyway to get him there Fast!!! Then maybe send the same ambulance back for the shooter.

Law Officers have a Thankless job these days. The Ferguson crap and all the rest have many minorities acting like idiots towards police. The attitude of the HEAD idiot in DC is stirring the pot of these feelings. I do not see what any good man would want to be in law enforcement these days.
 
I guess as I get older, and see how our tax money is both wasted and used against us at every opportunity, my feelings and views on things have changed some over the years. Years ago, I might have said, yes, or why not. Now, as much as I respect what LE does, and as much as I don't envy them their job, I'm going to go against the grain and say NO.

Not trying to sound crass or uncaring, but public servants are no different than anyone else. He does a job, provides a service to the community and draws a paycheck. He knows the risks involved, and no one twists his arm to go to work each day and face those risks. Each and every one of us do the same with whatever profession we choose, especially those of us working around moving equipment, livestock, etc, all of which can kill or maim you in a split second. Now, yes, I imagine the chances of a member of LE getting shot is greater than it is for one of us, that's a given. However, I seriously doubt the chances of him being seriously injured, be it shot, or in another form, is any more or less than any one of us in our jobs.

As such, what makes him so different from any of us that he gets "special treatment" on our tax dollar, that we don't get ourselves....and we're the ones footing the bill, so it's our money???

That being said, nearly any serious accident draws at least one police vehicle, if it's a vehicular accident there are usually more than one. That being the case, why is the ambulance, with you or me, left to it's own devices to get to the hospital? Why doesn't one of the officers run interference for the ambulance. Seriously, you can pay them to do it for a funeral, after your dead, and if you've seen some of those guys they all but kill people themselves trying to leap frog each other to stay out in front.

Seriously, we feel a need to run interference for a dead body, and will pay extra for it, but we don't get that same treatment by LE, who are already being paid, to look out for us when we are still living and trying to stay that way.

To me there's just something wrong with this equation. Do I feel for the guy and his family, your dang right I do. Would I feel the same for any of ya'll and your families if you were in a life threatening accident, your dang right I would.

Thing is, as I said in the beginning, besides the fact the guy was shot -vs- getting gored by a bull, sucked into an implement and having an arm, or leg amputated, nearly crushed by a falling beam, or over turned piece of equipment (you get my point) what exactly makes this guy so different that he deserves not just an escort, but a rolling road block to get him to the hospital?

I'll probably catch heck for this, but I am curious as to what the replies will be, given there obviously is no real difference between him doing his job, and getting injured, as opposed to one of us being in a similar situation.....other than he's LE and we're not....
 
NCWayne,

After reading the responses, I think I will stand with you. I do not have any LE friends, enemies or members of my family that I am aware of. My experience is spending most of my life on the road, observing behavior, attitude and the last few years of the quick draw-kill the kid who has a toy gun and walk away with praise. I won't put them on a pedestal and give them special treatment.

Any life threatening injury deserves the same trip to a life saving facility, I don't care who you are, what color you are or what your job of choice is.
 
As far as preferential treatment goes : several years ago a family member had a serious heart attack. Nearest hospital that was able to deal with that is 30 miles away. We did have a police escort. Never know: if a private citizen was shot five times : and it was requested : they may get an escort, too. Jumping to conclusions is a bad exercise.
 
JD SELLER I couldn't agree more things are getting out of hand real quick with this B.S. rev. al and ol' jesse love it too , good for business after all!
 
NCWayne: I'm pretty much on your side here. While I respect and appreciate LEO and recognize that theirs is a thankless and no-win situation, I believe that they (or a not-so-small number of their members) have brought much of their problems upon themselves. I get irritated by the cop shows on TV which tend to overplay the risk factor, and which constantly promote and glorify the "Blue Code" by which policemen come to regard themselves as a species separate and apart from the rest of us. When a cop gets shot, no other business of the police force has anything near the same urgency.

Local TV news goes above and beyond in their coverage of a cop killing, from the time of death to their final rites--which become enormously elaborate--at taxpayer expense--with motorcades of dozens, even hundreds, of police vehicles escorting the fallen officer to his final repose. In my town even the fire department gets involved, using ladder trucks to suspend a huge garrison flag over the motorcade route.

While I really don't begrudge these gestures, I do resent that it fosters an impression that a cop's life is worth much more than any other life that is lost. My ladyfriend's son died in a car accident; it got two paragraphs in the local paper and an obit. A policemen was killed by a vehicle while standing beside the road writing a ticket. He got the whole treatment: TV reporters interviewing friends and family, the flags at half mast, the black badge bands, three dozen police cars and motorcycles, the flag suspended over the road, a handgun volley at graveside, presentation of flag to widow, and a bugler blowing Taps.

I dunno. At some point you just have to say "Really?"
 
An air ambulance (helicopter) would have been much faster and would not have closed a major road during rush hour. Were the people running the operation not aware of that option, trying to avoid working with other departments, doing what they knew how to do or trying to make a statement? Their hearts may have been in the right place, but I think they used poor judgement.
 
Once we've undermined our police so they can't do their job, the war is over and John Q. Public lost!
 
A few months ago, an idiot pulling a trailer sideswiped a motorcycle cop and ended up dragging the guy for over two miles before he was stopped. The cop, or what was left of him, died later that day. Terrible. But to "investigate" the incident (i.e pick up the pieces), the Michigan Highway Patrol closed I-75 for about eight hours. Would they had done that if the same thing had happened to a civilian? I doubt it.
 
The guy I work with is a well known business man in the area and gives back to the community regularly. When he called 911 for a medical emergency he was told the fastest way to get them to the hospital was in his truck with the yellow construction lights on and all police in the area were informed to assist.
 
Preferential treatment? I feel that no matter whether it were an officer or an average citizen they should be treated the same. As for law enforcement overall my feelings have changed over the years.

Growing up I was taught to respect law officers and rightly so. However, speaking of the officers in my town and county, I have lost respect for most of them. I fully respect the law however not the majority of those task with enforcing it. After years of witnessing the actions of these officers, both on and off duty, I feel I have no reason to respect them. This respect has to be earned, not automatically given due to what position you hold.

There are a handful of local officers who have my full respect. Sadly, only a few.
 
A few days ago a farmer was killed on the road he was hit from behind by a semi that hwy was closed overnight during the investigation. I have friends and family that are cops however I have a hard time respecting the ones that abuse there power and make it tough on the good cops. In some ways you can compare it to farmers the majority will when hauling manure will leave a fairly clean road but all it takes is one to be sloppy and careless and drivers will hate all farmers.
One bad thing around here is they have a quota system in but the police union is fighting it but say a cop is forced to give a ticket instead of a verbal warning the recipient of that ticket is not going to like cops. I have respect for the good cops but unfortunately there is getting to many bad ones
 
Yes, they would have closed the highway to investigate a fatality no matter who was killed. They have learned that any time there is a death, there is a high probability that there will be a lawsuit filed and they will have to testify about the incident. It is a simple fact finding investigation but it has to be done.

Years ago I bought a couple of video log vans that ADOT used to video every mile and every intersection of state highways so they had the facts on hand if some lawyer tried to twist things around and sue the state (because that's where the money is).

When I bought new Mack plow trucks, I made sure they had the "black box". Some kid made a left turn right in front one of the trucks and his brother was killed. Almost immediately their lawyer started screaming that the ADOT truck was speeding. A simple check of the black box proved that it was not speeding and the lawyers case went out the window.
 
After reading all the post I'm surprised. I would have thought this group would have been 20 to 1 in favor of getting the cop there in a hurry. How long does it take to wait for a few cop cars and a ambulance to go by or god forbid have to drive around the block if they have the road blocked !
 
If there is a fatality on an AZ highway, you can count of the highway being closed for 4 to 8 hours, depending on how many investigators are in the area. Doesn't matter who was killed; it is standard procedure.
 
(quoted from post at 03:15:39 01/27/16) NCWayne- Look where 'Farmers and Ranchers' are on this list. Death rate is higher than LEO.
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The difference is there aren't other people trying to kill you. Logging is one of the most dangerous professions, but there's never been a tree that fell on you from 150 yards away. Farming is high on the list, but there's never been a chopper that drove itself over to a farmer and pushed him into the machine. Accidents and murder aren't the same. That's the difference.

That being said, in my career as a Trooper I escorted many ambulances and private vehicles carrying injured people. I carried organs and rare blood types numerous times to save critical people in widely spaced hospitals. It happens quite often, at least where I worked, although with all the helicopters now it's a bit less common.

Cops don't deserve "preferential" treatment, but they don't deserve to go to the bottom of the list either. We all deserve the best treatment possible.
 

Hard to argue with taking trouble in an effort to save a life. That's not the only reason for closing a road down, however. I was on the interstate a few years ago and traffic was stopped for a in the east bound lanes. Was taking two grand children and two dog back to their parents. Not a happy time. After some time we returned home. The lanes were still closed, state DOT there with floodlights and a accident reconstruction team doing their thing. Their had been a fatal accident, not AFIK involving a crime, and the state closes roads to investigate in such cases. I guess that's part of preparing for the possibility of lawsuits.

KEH
 
Any man or woman in the line of duty should get what ever it takes to get them to the hospital. After all, they are out there protecting us.
A friend and former college roommate of mine became a deputy in our county. Back in the 70's, he got a call that a game warden had been shot up in the mountains. Friend got there and put him in his car and headed down the mountain with sirens on continuously. Was holding the game warden up with one hand and driving with the other. Had to drive through one town to get to the next town where the hospital was. Called ahead and had police clear main street in first town so he did not have to slow down.
Saved the guys life. Would have not bothered me a bit to have to sit in traffic if it helped save the guys life. They were out there doing their duty risking their lives every day.
Richard in NW SC
 
Probably just someone that reads media outlets. Are you doubting the story or just mad he brought it up?
 
I think that the most egregious example of the prevalent attitude expressed here is that most states have laws that have much stiffer penalties for assault or murder of a police officer than that of another member of the public. My opinion is that all lives matter, none more valuable than another.
 
My full time job is doing exactly what the officer who was shot does. I knew when I became a police officer that I was picking a job that has a lot of negative stereotypes. I spend as much free time as I can in my barn working on my MM tractors as my form of stress relief, and to put the world back into perspective. I also spend a lot of time on YT reading about my passion. The opinions expressed in this discussion do not surprise me.

The opinion of no one should get preferential treatment is interesting. So let's say I'm scheduled for surgery on a dark spot on my skin in the only operating room available, and you are waiting on a heart transplant. A heart comes available and your surgery needs to be done at the same time my procedure is scheduled. No preferential treatment.....you can wait till I'm done.

I'm not trying to be offensive (maybe I am), but where has common sense gone? If getting an escort saved that officers life then is it wrong? Also, I have seen escorts for many other medical emergencies in my 22 year career....and most were for REGULAR people. If it's saving a life it makes sense!

The media has done an awesome job painting a picture that all the police do is violate rights, and kill minorities. Who cares that the number of bad apples is probably less than 1% of the total police officers in this country.....we all must be bad, rights violating killers (ok maybe that's going too far).

Bottom line is if a life needs saved do whatever it takes to save it regardless of who it is. Sometimes I feel like we now live in the United States of It's All About Me and Screw Everyone Else.

I heading to the MM forum to get back to learning about my next therapy session in the barn tonight.

PS: Steamboat please list the states you are referring to. Where I live murder is murder no matter who you are....no preferential treatment for killing a police officer here.
 
The answer to your question should be Yes. Those men and women are Protecting Us All while we Sleep ,Eat,Work ,Play. Just like our Military does but closer to your home. Some folks will complain but whats the first number they call when there butts get in a jam.
 
I never in a million years would have thought That on this website There would be a negative thing to say about a Police officer situation like the one described by John in La. All i can say is WOW.
The media has got yall so messed up you dont know which team your playing for.. I am soooo blown away that you couldnt sit for 10 mins in traffic to let a Ambulance go by with a Police Officer inside in critical condition from being shot by a CRIMINAL. If you cant wait 10 mins you were late to start with. You say ALL LIVES MATTER. Newsflash folks THEY DONT. Now if your thinking i mean folks like good hardworking people im not. Im talking thuggs, gang bangers, courier criminals. But im guessing thats just what the Media had brainwashed you to think.
 
No, I do not believe that a Police Officer should be given preferential treatment but I do believe anyone who does not need shooting, which would certainly include most Police Officers, should get the fastest medical attention possible and I would not complain if I had to wait on the highway while the person was attended to and transported. We have enough so called "elites" lording over us now without granting that status to even more public servants.
 
(quoted from post at 04:24:17 01/27/16) Would they had done that if the same thing had happened to a civilian? I doubt it.
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Even though the police officer deserved more than every chance for justice, the answer is YES they would have done the same for anyone. Locally I've seen where a fatal traffic accident caused the highway to be closed all day -- no attempted murder involved.
 
About 40 years ago in my town a couple of young men got in a knife fight. One (a friend of mine) had his arm cut real bad just as the cops showed up. The cops stood and watched him bleed out while waiting on an ambulance and refused to let anyone else take him to the hospital about two miles away. So excuse me if I'm not enamored with cops. TDF
 
(quoted from post at 07:03:21 01/27/16) I think that the most egregious example of the prevalent attitude expressed here is that most states have laws that have much stiffer penalties for assault or murder of a police officer than that of another member of the public.
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Wrong SB, the prevalent attitude expressed here is respect for police officers.
 
No one is saying anything negative about the police officers. In fact, being the first one to say no, I know for a fact I didn't.

I have nothing but respect for the police, and the job they do. I've got an ex-BIL, and other friends who are all in LE, and after hearing some of the stores told, I do not envy them their jobs one bit.

The question asked though was "Should LE get preferential treatment", nothing more, nothing less. To that, many of us have answered no, and I know I, for one, explained why.

My reasoning has nothing to do with corrupt cops, or anything else. My comment was made in direct concern for HUMAN LIFE. In other words, I expect ALL human life to be held in the highest regard, and if the cops need to create a rolling road block for every ambulance carrying a critically injured person, so be it. I know when my Mom got hit by a car, as a pedestrian, 30 years or so ago,I'd sure have liked to have seen them running interference for her ambulance.

The problem is this does happen, as others who are in the know have stated, but not nearly as often as it probably should.

Again, no one is knocking LE, but to think that LE, or anybody else, would get preferential treatment, paid for by tax dollars that we earned, while those of us that earned those dollars to begin with can't get the same treatment, is flat out wrong.....
 
The post by John states it was a rolling closure. No roads were actually closed. The officer was stabilized at one facility and then transported to a level 1 trauma center across town. Both facilities would need to have a landing site for the helicopter.
As a fire fighter I have been involved with setting up landing zones at accident scenes and it does take some time to get a helicopter in the air.
 
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