How (and when) do you think and internet sales tax will be implemented??? First I do support it!!! I believe it will have to be the agency handling the sale Like evil bay. They will have to add collect and distribute it, easier for one agency to do it than millions of people. I am aware of use tax where you are required to pay on out of state buys to your state but that is hard to enforce. I do think it will level the playing field with brick and mortar but only to a degree not 100%. And I am surprised it has not happened as many catalogue places have had to collect it but it falls under (physical presence in the state) So lets hear it.
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dr sportster
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That will never pass it would kill the mail order industry. If you have to pay shipping and then also sales tax nobody will mail order anything. { besides by law you are supposed to declare it now as usage tax]. It is not enforced all the time but people have gotten bills for usage tax on large out of state purchases like 80,000 dollar bucket trucks ,when the state finds out.
Michigan already has a 6% sales tax and recent transactions with out-of-state vendors hsve included it. Whether it makes it back to Michigan or not I can't tell. Guess the question is where the transaction takes place, and where do the taxes get collected. Before this year we were supposed to report out-of-state purchases on our income tax forms. 'Course no one bought out of state!
Ultradog MN
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Minnesota has had it for about a year now.
Every purchase you make.
Even movies on Amazon and netflix.
The various levels of government have an insatiable appetite for more and more revenue.
It will not stop untill we tell them no more.
I don't know if we ever will.
We are too distracted by silly things like sports and Christmas.
Every purchase you make.
Even movies on Amazon and netflix.
The various levels of government have an insatiable appetite for more and more revenue.
It will not stop untill we tell them no more.
I don't know if we ever will.
We are too distracted by silly things like sports and Christmas.
jimg.allentown
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Let me start off by saying that I do not like taxes - of ANY kind. I also temper that with the acknowledgement that taxes are necessary to provide the goods and services that we require of our government.
Now. having said that, I find your statement to be inflammatory. Why???
Well, first, around a THIRD of your paycheck is confiscated from your wages before you even see it for taxes. Federal, FICA, Medicare, State, Local, and the list goes on. Then, you are taxed on your real estate - whether you own it or rent it, the taxes are figured in one way or another. Next, when you make any purchase locally, in most states, there are sales taxes that range from 0 to nearly 10%. When you buy fuel, you pay more taxes. Here in PA, we have a whole host of nuisance taxes - privilege taxes, head taxes, EMT tax, and the list goes on.
So, now that some folks have found a small amount of relief in the form of mail order, you support taxing them as well??? Why don't you just give ALL OF YOUR MONEY to the government and let them support you and we can see how that works out.
I object to sales taxes for this reason: it is a DUPLICATE TAX. You have already paid tax on top of tax on the money that you have. Now, they want to take another bite out of what is left. I personally think that sales taxes should REPLACE other taxes rather than adding to them.
Then there is the issue of how the money collected in taxes is spent. Do you approve of how the government spends recklessly? $400 screwdrivers and $700 toilet seats? And then you get handed the bill???
In a nutshell, I do NOT support any more taxation. I DO support FAIR taxation. And at REASONABLE rates. And I do NOT approve of experimental social programs that take on a life of their own.
Now. having said that, I find your statement to be inflammatory. Why???
Well, first, around a THIRD of your paycheck is confiscated from your wages before you even see it for taxes. Federal, FICA, Medicare, State, Local, and the list goes on. Then, you are taxed on your real estate - whether you own it or rent it, the taxes are figured in one way or another. Next, when you make any purchase locally, in most states, there are sales taxes that range from 0 to nearly 10%. When you buy fuel, you pay more taxes. Here in PA, we have a whole host of nuisance taxes - privilege taxes, head taxes, EMT tax, and the list goes on.
So, now that some folks have found a small amount of relief in the form of mail order, you support taxing them as well??? Why don't you just give ALL OF YOUR MONEY to the government and let them support you and we can see how that works out.
I object to sales taxes for this reason: it is a DUPLICATE TAX. You have already paid tax on top of tax on the money that you have. Now, they want to take another bite out of what is left. I personally think that sales taxes should REPLACE other taxes rather than adding to them.
Then there is the issue of how the money collected in taxes is spent. Do you approve of how the government spends recklessly? $400 screwdrivers and $700 toilet seats? And then you get handed the bill???
In a nutshell, I do NOT support any more taxation. I DO support FAIR taxation. And at REASONABLE rates. And I do NOT approve of experimental social programs that take on a life of their own.
Oregon Tractor Jack
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I live in Oregon and we don't have a sales tax, don't worry the government thieves make up for it in other taxes. I would seriously curtail my on line shopping if I had to pay sales taxes for other states. I do feel that it will happen and not that far into the future. I have been reading that this shopping season has not been that great for the brick and morter stores this year. Given enough lobbists and anything can happen.
john *.?-!.* cub owner
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I am not sure about other states, but in Mo. if the company you are ordering from (Target in this case) has a store in your state they are required to charge sales tax, and it is [b:fc517a3380][i:fc517a3380]supposed[/i:fc517a3380][/b:fc517a3380] to be payed to the state. I have ordered from some places that do NOT have stores in Mo. and they charged taxes, at which time I canceled my order, because I figred that was their way of boosting the price.[/i]
Kent Petersen
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At least in SD we don,t pay sales tax on farm machinery repairs
TomH in PA
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I'd be surprised if it happens anytime soon, because it would probably take a ew law from Congress and the nnalert wouldn't support it. If external_link can do it by executive order it will have to be soon.
I don't really like sales tax of any kind; I pay state income tax and real estate tax already. Plus they ding you for other "services" like driving on the turnpike or registering a car.
I don't really like sales tax of any kind; I pay state income tax and real estate tax already. Plus they ding you for other "services" like driving on the turnpike or registering a car.
ObsoElitist
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For some reason people in other states acceed to my states demand that they collect California sales tax. When they do, they try to collect the tax for other counties, usually 1.5% MORE than where I live, and do not make the sale. Even if they get it right, i can be in Nevada in an hour during summer and avoid it altogether
It will happen eventually. There is an amazon customer service facility in this state so we pay tax on anything from them. They already have the software to handle the differing rates. We have both state and local sales tax, so every municipality/county has a different rate. When I buy online, I am fine with paying my local 5%. If I drive into the city its 7.5%, need to finance all the city folks wants.
States have been clamoring for the feds to collect the sales tax on internet sales and disburse it to each state. That would require tracking all online sales and rates per state. That's why congress hasn't addressed it. They don't want to pay fees to the feds for services rendered. Now talk about waste. MN's law says that all retailers are suppose to collect sales tax and remit it to the state. If they don't the buyer is supposed to report it on their income taxes and pay it then. Funny thing is if the place you are buying from has any physical operations in the state the state can enforce this. But MN jurisdiction ends at the border. They cannot force a catalog or online retailer to pay that sales tax is there is no physical presence in the state. Kinda like buying a bottle of booze of carton of cigarettes out of state. Over a certain amount is supposed to be reported to the state and taxes paid. MN tried to get ND to collect those taxes from MN residents or to bar MN residents from buying booze or tobacco products in ND. ND told Dayton where to stick it. Just another waste of tax payer money passing unenforceable laws.
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Bill in IL
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I think it will happen someday. They can't stand to see sources of untapped revenue. Makes the subjects seem like they are getting away with something.
CrabbyJack
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When you buy an item from your local store, the state gets their sales tax. When you buy the same item online, your state gets nothing. [b:e5b89072b9]That's[/b:e5b89072b9] why they want to tax online sales.
ObsoElitist
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And that is why most items over $200 I buy in Nevada or online from someone who doesn't tax me. My state does not deserve more money, they will only waste it on moonbeam projects while the roads and bridges fall apart. I boycott my own state.
T in NE
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Pennsylvania about 5-6 years ago sent agents to the reservations in New York and asked for their records on all mail order cigarettes.
They went through the list and found everyone who didn't report it. Some were getting a bill for over $20,000.
They can't do that with on site cash sales.
They went through the list and found everyone who didn't report it. Some were getting a bill for over $20,000.
They can't do that with on site cash sales.
I might be the bad guy, but I dodge taxes every opportunity. Why? Because of the unfair way it is handed, and how we are taxed beyond belief at every opportunity. The school systems are (just my opinion) the worst, at least in my area. They try to pass tax/bond issues at elections, and purposely run them during low turnout, then recruit yes votes to get them passed, then if it does not pass, they run it again, and again until some just give up and vote yes. I never vote for a tax of any kind these days. I know in my area, 75% of the real estate taxes are for the local school system, and they cannot seem to build a big enough or nice enough school, and if a neighboring school has a nicer sports facility, watch for others to try to keep up, and guess who foots the bill. Sorry, I got on a rant and a bit off topic, but I do think there will be a fully implemented Internet tax, it is just a matter of time, but until then, I will take advantage of not having one now. Sorry, I would probably not be quite so outspoken on taxes, had I not just paid $2500 in real estate and personal property taxes, and I live on a dirt road that gets graded twice a year at best, and it takes an hour to get any sort of response from a law enforcement agency, and I am not exaggerating. Just a few shining examples of our tax dollars at work. Sorry, no new taxes if I have a vote.
Paul from MN
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Gordo, in your case GA gets the money. It is always the state where the product was shipped to.
steve_in_mo
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Here's the website for the program. http://www.streamlinedsalestax.org/
Enabling legislation at the federal level has been introduced but not passed. Getting that program to a nationwide basis would help small and local businesses a lot. They are getting eaten alive by mail order and internet sales. There are currently 23 states that participate, and Tennessee is trying to implement the program. Tennessee has some technical problems at this time which ahs delayed their complete implementati0ons.
Enabling legislation at the federal level has been introduced but not passed. Getting that program to a nationwide basis would help small and local businesses a lot. They are getting eaten alive by mail order and internet sales. There are currently 23 states that participate, and Tennessee is trying to implement the program. Tennessee has some technical problems at this time which ahs delayed their complete implementati0ons.
steve_in_mo
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Streamlined sales tax program.
I used to pay school tax and I always griped about it because I never had any kids in school. I feel that if you want your kids to be smart then you should pay to school them. And then the cost of the sports crap. What good does it do me a tax payer to make a high priced place for your kid to play a ball game ?I would think they could learn sports at home. Then the school runs those big buses for after school things and that is sure a waist of money. Am I wrong ?? Any one else see it like I do ??
muleboss
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I think you are talking a lot more than 50. A lot of cities and counties also have added sales tax.
I order from Amazon once and they wanted to charge me the sales tax of the city of my address. I live in the country, not the city. City has 2% more tax. They said that was my address so I have to pay it. I said no and canceled my order.
jimg.allentown
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The only conclusion that I can draw from what I read here is this:
There are no less than 3 sales tax zones here in PA. Multiply that by the number of states and their different tax zones. Higher in the cities, counties and cities can add to the state tax, etc. Totally a bookkeeping nightmare.
Also, there are differences in what items are taxed, and at what rate. For example, PA does not tax clothing. New York and New Jersey DO tax clothing. How many other differences will come up?
No matter how this is attempted, there WILL be loopholes and ways to avoid paying the taxes "due" to the states.
Lastly, anybody that advocates any new taxes must not be thinking right - or must be a politician - yeah, not thinking right.
It will never happen on any more than a limited scale. Period.
There are no less than 3 sales tax zones here in PA. Multiply that by the number of states and their different tax zones. Higher in the cities, counties and cities can add to the state tax, etc. Totally a bookkeeping nightmare.
Also, there are differences in what items are taxed, and at what rate. For example, PA does not tax clothing. New York and New Jersey DO tax clothing. How many other differences will come up?
No matter how this is attempted, there WILL be loopholes and ways to avoid paying the taxes "due" to the states.
Lastly, anybody that advocates any new taxes must not be thinking right - or must be a politician - yeah, not thinking right.
It will never happen on any more than a limited scale. Period.
The problem is that there is never enough for gov't. Never enough power, never enough influence, never enough of other peoples money to buy votes with to stay in office. People just ignore the increased taxes, time after time. Those of us who complain about having to pay for more than basic services like highways, police or defense are called names like hate monger and bigot. We're accused of not caring about other people or of being part of the "1%" (I wish!). But it all comes down to one thing- gov't has learned that they can keep the useful idiots voting for them year after year by giving them crumbs.
At this point, it's hopeless. There are more people taking that entitlement/bribe/crumbs in it's various form than ever.
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