concerning Allan's situation

I might be speaking out of place, but Allan's actions don't sound to me like those of someone who has fire insurance coverage. He went to an older pickup he had instead of replacing what he lost. That could be because of time. He is staying with his mother instead of perhaps nicer accommodations. He is looking at an old house which sounds like it needs a lot of work instead of a replacement for what he had. I feel like if we find out he doesn't have coverage then we should give to help him recover rather than a little to tide him over. If I am wrong, please inform me. If I am right, please let's try to do for him what we would be glad to have others do for us if we were in Allan's shoes (if he still had any after the fire).
 
I am sure Allan is doing the best he can after he lost everything in the fire. I have never had to use insurance for anything, but what I understand it is not something that happens very quick. As for the truck he had it available to get around a few days after the fire. Stan
 
From what I read and understand on his last post. The truck is something he had(or someone he knew good) out in the back 40 then got it running till he finds something else. As for housing sounded like a building out back he will fix up(just to get out of his ma's place) till he gets a chance to rebuild after winter. Insurance paperwork can take time to file and get the funds rolling. Can still help any way you can, if you wish.
 
My Brother's house burnt while they where gone. It took the insurance company a month to get them an amount of money that would really do much to help. Then the final settlement was just about six months out. They had to document many items that where in the house to get the content coverage to apply.

Try to do that when your records burn up in the house. We both video the our entire houses and contents each year now. Then we keep a copy in our safety deposit box. I also do this with my tools and shop equipment.
 
Something you guys are forgetting... Chadron is a college town of about 5,000 people in a county of about 9,000.
A place to live isn't always going to be easy to find in a town like that.
 
And Chadron is the big town in that corner of the state.
How many people on here have to travel over 100 miles (and cross a state line) to get to the nearest interstate?
 
I don't want to get into his business by speculating anything. All I will say is cash talks and BS walks . You know what to do. Send him some cash.
 
I live in a town of 875. Finding a place to live or rent is very hard.Even county wide it is hard to find a place. Wanted to send money but with my health problems. All I can offer is my prayers that things work soon.
 
I would just the same as Allan. Insurance takes time.I'm not going to rush out and buy everything. I think he is doing the right thing.Doing the best he can.Wheather or not he has insurance is none of our business.I lost a well equiped farmshop to fire 25 years ago.Had good fire ins,they pd. But it took years to get back to the level it was before the fire.BTW,I dont have fire ins at this time because I simply CANNOT afford it.That's just 'life'.
 
Like they say, "Any port in a storm".

My parents house burned to the ground a year or so after they were married. My parents, my father's uncle, and my father's grandmother all lived (camped?) in a two stall detached garage while a new house was being built on the site of the one that burned.
 
I agree it sure sounds like no insurance but I was afraid to say anything in fear of speaking out of turn.

I can understand bringing the old truck out of moth balls because your head is spinning so fast you do not know what way to turn. He may be holding off buying a new truck with the insurance money till he can make sure he has a place to live.
As new as that truck was I got to assume he had insurance on it unless he paid cash for it.

As far as the house (mobile home for me) goes it takes a long time to get your money.
For me it was about 6 to 8 weeks to get final payment.
But talking about fixing up a old farm house out at his ranch so he will have a place to live sure sounds like he is not expecting to get a replacement house.
Even with a house to tear down and rebuild (several months) the insurance would be paying the motel bill all the while.

Time line for my case.
Called the insurance the day of the fire.
Was given a claim number and a list of motels that would take this number.
Eat out every meal and save the recites. Boy you sure get tired of eating out real fast.
At the end of each week I would meet with the adjuster and get a check for my meals minus what a average week of groceries cost and a check for the motel.
All the cloths I had to buy or things I had to replace right now came out of my pocket.

Spend every waken hour you have making a list of everything you own and the cost of each item.
Try and remember everything you have stuffed away in some unused bedroom closet off the top of you head.
Even if you remember it try and prove what grade it was or even that you had it.
If it's not on the list it does not get replaced.
Search out and find a new mobile home you are willing to take.
Go to the bank and pay the monthly note on your house that is now burnt to the ground.

Then comes the hard part.
Try; just try to replace 1/2 of what you had with the depreciated value they give you.

I got lucky. I had full replacement cost.
If I bought a $500 washer I got $500 even though my old one had depreciated to $300.
No money changes hands till a recite is given with a full log of what you bought.
So with out a credit card or a nice nest egg in the bank you are still sol even if you have insurance.

I would not wish a house fire on my worst enemy even if he had very good insurance.

My advise to everyone.
Get a credit card even if you never use it.
And price full replacement cost upgrade for your home insurance.
 


Paul,

August 5th we lost the house to fire ,no ins , been rebuilding

on a frayed shoestring . Its not easy . Going from a 150 or 200

year old two story to a single story . We did manage to use the

floor of the first floor . Been lining in a 28 ft fifth wheel

camper that my buddy brought in for us , its starting to get

cold in that tin can.Heat doesn't work in the camper We have the roof

and siding on sheet rock crew coming monday.

Here is a shot of before and during the fire.

george



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A few weeks ago he posted pictures of a nice white Chevy silverado duramax he bought as a farm truck. He also has several other farm pickups that he's always working on. I know his new ford truck and his wife's navigator burnt in his garage. The old house is on his farm that they are in the process of remodeling and there is alot of work to do on it before its livable. A house fire completely turns your life upside down and it takes time to reset and rebuild your life.
 
Also check if you have a mortgage with insurance through the mortgage. Lot of times it's the cheapest insurance they can find and it may not even meet or obey the laws of your state. You can buy a supplemental policy to go along with insurance provided with your mortgage to make up differences plus if you buy through your agent if you have a loss the other company is going to be less likely to try to short change you. I've seen some really goofy stuff from some insurance companies. Like fire damage is covered but not damage made by the fire crew to put the fire out. Guy that was affected the fire department cut holes in the roof to gain access to put the fire out. Roof damage was not covered. Oh yea, it was insurance provided with his mortgage.

If you do not understand what you are reading take your policy into your agent and have him go through it with you.

Rick
 
What I do not understand is that the red cross or salvation army or some other place did not have cloths for his wife before nightfall that she still as of the last post only had her nightgown that she got out of fire with. Several other places around here that can help with clothing in situations like his around here. That prosses should have been started while the fire was still being fought. Somebody besides him missed the ball on this.
 
(quoted from post at 14:50:38 11/01/15) I cant belive someone is not insured

I think anyone without adequate home owners insurance doesn't have their priorities in the correct perspective!!!!

I have replacement cost home owners insurance but I care not to find out "how good it is or isn't"!!!!!!!
 
I am sure Allan's just being sarcastic. Most likely they are still in donated clothes abd his wife's night gown is the only piece of clothing they have from before the fire. Just Allan's wit that he expresses on here from time to time. Allan's a scrapper and he'll be back at it. Just takes time to recover from the shock.
 
The white chevrolet pickup had blew a transmission days before fire, allan got one to working to drive. Other than that, I do not know if he had insurance or not, but he treated each one of us as "pards" so I sent my pard a check. He had a need, I had the means and now some of his needs have been met. Allo else is speculation.
 
I've never met allan, probably never will but at this moment in time I find my self in a situation that tells me he needs a hand and I was happy to provide him a tiny bit of help for his journey ahead. At some point in life most of us will all have to reach out for a helping hand for some reason or another.
bill
 
(quoted from post at 12:48:48 11/01/15)
(quoted from post at 14:50:38 11/01/15) I cant belive someone is not insured

I think anyone without adequate home owners insurance doesn't have their priorities in the correct perspective!!!!

I have replacement cost home owners insurance but I care not to find out "how good it is or isn't"!!!!!!!

Jim the average American doesn't understand their policies. They get told that home owners insurance is part of their mortgage, get the policy in the mail and never look at it. Lot of us on there farm or own other businesses or are older people who have a better understanding of what needs to be covered and for how much. So what it boils down is a heck of a lot of people are underinsured. "We got our first home! Property taxes and insurance are part of our mortgage!"!!!!! And because the mortgage company was so good about helping them they don't realize that the company most likely went with the cheapest company they could for the insurance. And cheap insurance looks great to the insured because it isn't costing them much, that is until they have a loss. Then they find out that some items like guns or jewelry have a limit as to just how much they will cover. Value over that dollar amount they just have to eat unless they read their policy and purchase supplemental coverage.

And people are right. We don't know the story. Like the questions about the Salvation Army and Red Cross. There may not be anything local. But we don't know.

Rick
 
It is really none of my business if Allan has insurance or not. With that said, I have been in the fire service for 38 years and served as a state fire marshalls assistant. Working with fire victims I know most insurance companies don't work very fast. It is possible that a insurance company is waiting for a official cause of the fire, or they may have their own fire inspector investigating the fires cause.
 
(quoted from post at 17:36:12 11/01/15) AMEN - ys got it right!
Offer still stands to ride out with you to help him.

Someone who is close to the situation maybe should take a look at a "gofundme" account and implement it through facebook.
 
I have been to Allans. We have spoke other times as well. Many times. I don't want to say to much to upset Allan.

There are a lot of things you guys don't know about Allan. He likes it that way.

He is a much smarted man than you give him credit for.

I better shut up.

Oh I sent a check as well. For day to day things.

Gary
 
George
That is a scary sight. I can't imagine what that would be like to loose EVERYTHING in your house. Where does a person start?? Even the very simple things, soap, tooth brush, razor, towels. It all costs money. No bed, no clothes, no refrigerator, no food, no nothing. Scary!!
 
I don't know Allan, and honestly it doesn't matter, he is very real, and I honestly don't need someone telling me their thoughts on this. Yep, there is a letter to him now. Enough said.
 
Well Stoner I bought my retirement home here in Fl. in 1991 and the next year they doubled the insurance, So I said just cancel it. They said you can't do that. I said why not ? You take the risk and now I will take the risk. I got them beat because the lot alone is worth a lot more that I paid for the house lot and every thing. Now I must say I would not be very happy if the wind blue the house away but at least I am ahead of them. Today there a lot of people on our street that dropped there home owners insurance. Yes this a double wide on land that we own.
 
In my heart I wish I could arrange for a new house and belongings to show up tomorrow. I'm sure a bunch of you guys and gals would like to see the same thing happen. The pickup isn't as important, a good warm house for Allan and his wife is immediately important.

In reality that is nearly impossible unless a mobile home is moved in. I can understand why he wants to live on his farm so he is close to his livestock especially with blizzard season knocking on the door.
 
I made a post concerning your post Billy, But I don't know what happened to it. I hit the submit button and it went away. So mabey I will try again another day.
 
My impression of the man ALLEN NE is that he has his ducks in a row. I doubt he is one to give up easily either.
SDE
 
Allan did get a modest check from me. I haven't met him either but I would like to. It's pretty hard to not help honest hard working people like Allan and his wife. Some day when I'm going through that area on HWY 20 I'll have to stop in for a chat.
 
What Allen does is Allen's business, has anyone found out where or how the fire started...the picture I can see looks like on garage end..search Ford truck fires, you might be surprised...I have a carport but I'm in East Tx so I don't deal with the cold and snow..May God Bless the Clapp Family...
 
Exactly. His insurance should be providing two loaners cars, temp housing, temp meals and a lot more. Maybe we can share out tips on how to "motivate insurance companies" with Allan.
 
I kept insurance even on our mobile home until I sold it. We lived in it for 5 years and I had it rented for 12 years. Hal
 
We struggle to make enough to keep up with taxes, utilities and building and equipment repairs. I'm nearing 60 and have nothing saved for retirement (in part because I hope to die still working the farm) other than the farm itself, unless you count the $34 currently in my checking account. "Good insurance" is not an option. Even if it was, the best (and worst) insurance is particularly good for insurance companies. You don't see them scrounging up office space in an old barn, or in a formerly abandoned warehouse in the dead part of downtown when their payouts hit hard. Nope, they take your premiums and do quite well by them as part of "managed risk" - the overwhelming odds that most of their policy holders will never make a substantial claim. You likely won't ever see your broker "broke", nor the company they work for. In the worst case scenarios, the gov (your tax dollars) bails them out, after deduction a substantial portion for "management fees".

I'd much rather send someone like Allen a check that does real good to someone who does real work, than send a check to someone who pushes paper and collects bonuses on up-selling riders that bring in more revenue than risk, who in turn might send a small portion to someone who has "suffered a covered loss" (not valid in all instances, some exclusions may apply; read your policy carefully, document everything, and be prepared to hire a lawyer).
 
(quoted from post at 18:39:13 11/01/15) Yup, I buy insurance for a reason. gm

I really can't feel too sorry for someone that can have property and not buy even basic insurance on it. I've worked in the that industry for over 35 yrs. and see thousands of insured fires every year. It happens to the best of us. It's really your individual choice to get it or not, unless you have a mortgage or other loan on it, but you can work with an agent to get basic coverage through a FAIR plan, in most states.

People that don't have even basic liability coverage on an auto they drive are beneath contempt, unless they are very rich. If you don't want to cover it for comprehensive and/or collision is your loss when something happens, but don't make someone else suffer when you cause bodily injury or property damage (or both) and not have some way to pay for it.

I've had good experiences with my farm insurer (it's not the company I work for) when I had wind damage to the house (a big tree blew down on the chimney and roof). I got people out right away to estimate the damage or take care of immediate problems, sent them the bill or estimate and away we went. I even told them there was only one roofing company I would accept to replace the damaged slates, they agreed with no problem. Some other issues came up on the chimney liner, they paid for a stainless steel liner to replace it rather than have to tear it down even further to fix.
 
(quoted from post at 19:53:36 11/02/15) "Good insurance" is not an option. Even if it was, the best (and worst) insurance is particularly good for insurance companies. You don't see them scrounging up office space in an old barn, or in a formerly abandoned warehouse in the dead part of downtown when their payouts hit hard. Nope, they take your premiums and do quite well by them as part of "managed risk" - the overwhelming odds that most of their policy holders will never make a substantial claim. You likely won't ever see your broker "broke", nor the company they work for. In the worst case scenarios, the gov (your tax dollars) bails them out, after deduction a substantial portion for "management fees".

I'd much rather send someone like Allen a check that does real good to someone who does real work, than send a check to someone who pushes paper and collects bonuses on up-selling riders that bring in more revenue than risk, who in turn might send a small portion to someone who has "suffered a covered loss" (not valid in all instances, some exclusions may apply; read your policy carefully, document everything, and be prepared to hire a lawyer).

Your comments are offensive to the hundreds of thousands of folks working very hard to provide very much needed financial services and protection to the public and quite ignorant of what really happens in the insurance business and why things are what they are.

Did you know that insurance is one of the most regulated businesses in the country? In my job I have to comply with regulations and laws from the 46 states that we operate in. Each state has their own set of laws and the state department of insurance has reams of regulations on top of those laws. Companies are required by law to set aside a certain part of that premium you complain about to pay future losses. Companies are required by law to only invest that set aside, called policyholder surplus, in certain non risky assets, like real estate, bonds, cash and cash equivalents... very little in stocks. So you might say those buildings and offices are required investments... why would a company put money in some other firm's office building when they need one for themselves? I hope I don't need to say anything about the millions that are paid for the steel, concrete and glass, etc. and the payments to the workers in those businesses and to the truckers who haul it and the construction workers who build it all.

You say that we send a small portion to pay losses, that's the height of ignorance. My company is currently paying in total around 100 to 102% of the premium we take in for expenses, commissions, losses and loss expense. Of that about 96% is paid in losses, hardly a small amount, and this is about the same for all companies. In catastrophes like hurricanes and tornadoes we pay in the area of 140% of premium. How can that be?... the extra is paid out of policyholder surplus. Unlike some grand government schemes, like Social Security, we don't take in a dollar and pay it right back out. We build surplus until it is needed for catastrophe. All of this is again, regulated and required. If you don't like it get the law of your state changed. In the end all this is required to make sure every legitimate claim gets paid.

You never see an insurance company broke because when they do go broke, and they do all the time, you never see it, they just disappear and the state takes them over and liquidates them. When their money runs out all the other companies pay through a state guaranty fund to make sure all the claims get paid.

See? It's much more complicated than you know. And this is just scratching the surface.
 
(quoted from post at 12:21:05 11/04/15)
(quoted from post at 19:53:36 11/02/15) "Good insurance" is not an option. Even if it was, the best (and worst) insurance is particularly good for insurance companies. You don't see them scrounging up office space in an old barn, or in a formerly abandoned warehouse in the dead part of downtown when their payouts hit hard. Nope, they take your premiums and do quite well by them as part of "managed risk" - the overwhelming odds that most of their policy holders will never make a substantial claim. You likely won't ever see your broker "broke", nor the company they work for. In the worst case scenarios, the gov (your tax dollars) bails them out, after deduction a substantial portion for "management fees".

I'd much rather send someone like Allen a check that does real good to someone who does real work, than send a check to someone who pushes paper and collects bonuses on up-selling riders that bring in more revenue than risk, who in turn might send a small portion to someone who has "suffered a covered loss" (not valid in all instances, some exclusions may apply; read your policy carefully, document everything, and be prepared to hire a lawyer).

Your comments are offensive to the hundreds of thousands of folks working very hard to provide very much needed financial services and protection to the public and quite ignorant of what really happens in the insurance business and why things are what they are.

Did you know that insurance is one of the most regulated businesses in the country? In my job I have to comply with regulations and laws from the 46 states that we operate in. Each state has their own set of laws and the state department of insurance has reams of regulations on top of those laws. Companies are required by law to set aside a certain part of that premium you complain about to pay future losses. Companies are required by law to only invest that set aside, called policyholder surplus, in certain non risky assets, like real estate, bonds, cash and cash equivalents... very little in stocks. So you might say those buildings and offices are required investments... why would a company put money in some other firm's office building when they need one for themselves? I hope I don't need to say anything about the millions that are paid for the steel, concrete and glass, etc. and the payments to the workers in those businesses and to the truckers who haul it and the construction workers who build it all.

You say that we send a small portion to pay losses, that's the height of ignorance. My company is currently paying in total around 100 to 102% of the premium we take in for expenses, commissions, losses and loss expense. Of that about 96% is paid in losses, hardly a small amount, and this is about the same for all companies. In catastrophes like hurricanes and tornadoes we pay in the area of 140% of premium. How can that be?... the extra is paid out of policyholder surplus. Unlike some grand government schemes, like Social Security, we don't take in a dollar and pay it right back out. We build surplus until it is needed for catastrophe. All of this is again, regulated and required. If you don't like it get the law of your state changed. In the end all this is required to make sure every legitimate claim gets paid.

You never see an insurance company broke because when they do go broke, and they do all the time, you never see it, they just disappear and the state takes them over and liquidates them. When their money runs out all the other companies pay through a state guaranty fund to make sure all the claims get paid.

See? It's much more complicated than you know. And this is just scratching the surface.

Not the place or the time!!!
 
(quoted from post at 09:21:05 11/04/15)
(quoted from post at 19:53:36 11/02/15) "Good insurance" is not an option. Even if it was, the best (and worst) insurance is particularly good for insurance companies. You don't see them scrounging up office space in an old barn, or in a formerly abandoned warehouse in the dead part of downtown when their payouts hit hard. Nope, they take your premiums and do quite well by them as part of "managed risk" - the overwhelming odds that most of their policy holders will never make a substantial claim. You likely won't ever see your broker "broke", nor the company they work for. In the worst case scenarios, the gov (your tax dollars) bails them out, after deduction a substantial portion for "management fees".

I'd much rather send someone like Allen a check that does real good to someone who does real work, than send a check to someone who pushes paper and collects bonuses on up-selling riders that bring in more revenue than risk, who in turn might send a small portion to someone who has "suffered a covered loss" (not valid in all instances, some exclusions may apply; read your policy carefully, document everything, and be prepared to hire a lawyer).

Your comments are offensive to the hundreds of thousands of folks working very hard to provide very much needed financial services and protection to the public and quite ignorant of what really happens in the insurance business and why things are what they are.

Did you know that insurance is one of the most regulated businesses in the country? In my job I have to comply with regulations and laws from the 46 states that we operate in. Each state has their own set of laws and the state department of insurance has reams of regulations on top of those laws. Companies are required by law to set aside a certain part of that premium you complain about to pay future losses. Companies are required by law to only invest that set aside, called policyholder surplus, in certain non risky assets, like real estate, bonds, cash and cash equivalents... very little in stocks. So you might say those buildings and offices are required investments... why would a company put money in some other firm's office building when they need one for themselves? I hope I don't need to say anything about the millions that are paid for the steel, concrete and glass, etc. and the payments to the workers in those businesses and to the truckers who haul it and the construction workers who build it all.

You say that we send a small portion to pay losses, that's the height of ignorance. My company is currently paying in total around 100 to 102% of the premium we take in for expenses, commissions, losses and loss expense. Of that about 96% is paid in losses, hardly a small amount, and this is about the same for all companies. In catastrophes like hurricanes and tornadoes we pay in the area of 140% of premium. How can that be?... the extra is paid out of policyholder surplus. Unlike some grand government schemes, like Social Security, we don't take in a dollar and pay it right back out. We build surplus until it is needed for catastrophe. All of this is again, regulated and required. If you don't like it get the law of your state changed. In the end all this is required to make sure every legitimate claim gets paid.

You never see an insurance company broke because when they do go broke, and they do all the time, you never see it, they just disappear and the state takes them over and liquidates them. When their money runs out all the other companies pay through a state guaranty fund to make sure all the claims get paid.

See? It's much more complicated than you know. And this is just scratching the surface.

Well said! People should understand that insurance companies don't make that much in profit year to year. They complain about paying for it then complain when they don't get a settlement. And the number of fraudulent claims are astounding! And a lot of the time the company pays because it's good PR to do that on low buck claims. Plus a number of states insurance commissions can levee fines much like the EPA and OSHA does.

Back to the original posting. It's an assumption on the OP's part about weather or not Allen has insurance or not. And if he has insurance just how good it is. IIRC he said he had a mortgage so I will make a bet he has insurance through his mortgage, purchased by the mortgage company from the cheapest provider. My FIL took over the mortgage on a house my BIL had when he got devoiced. Several years later he lost his roof. It took the mortgage provided insurance company 6 weeks to get an adjuster there then they claimed that the national average per square was lower than the actual cost of replacing the roof. It took almost 6 months to get the matter resolved and intervention from the state. A heck of a lot of people assume that the insurance provided with a mortgage is through a reputable company. So Allen could be out on a limb until the insurance company gets things settled. That's one of the reason that every time the insurance subject comes up here I preach about getting good insurance. Yea it cost a little more until you have a fire, loose a roof or get in a wreck. When you suffer a loss that good insurance pays for itself fast.

Rick
 

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